Time for big Nige to return and save us again!

[HarryDee8]

Noooooo way. Games changed since he was here. Mr Dour likes to be like Jose 😅

[The Year Of The Fox]

27 minutes ago, HarryDee8 said:

Noooooo way. Games changed since he was here. Mr Dour likes to be like Jose 😅

Has it? What we got nowadays? 12 men on the pitch? Octagonal pitches? 3 keepers? 

[Chrysalis]

Assuming Nige still has the same principles he would at least ensure we have a squad full of players with a good mentality.

[eblair]

16 hours ago, Ashley said:

Someone make a good argument for why Pearson should come back here? He doesn't have the greatest records since leaving us does he? Watford gig was a joke. Surely if he was the greatest thing since sliced bread he'd have had better opportunities? 

cos he has twice built us from being in complete tatters, has credentials of turning the club around twice

 

also built a team that i just loved to pieces with a mentality i loved to pieces; when i think of the "leicester" way I think of Pearson team

 

only reason i dont want him back is because do not want him to ruin legacy at all, and think we will be disaster next year whatever
 

pearson for 2024 when the idiots running the club finally realise how screwed we really are

[MPH]

2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Is there anybody who doesn’t want this? Our best chance of avoiding years of obscurity is to get back to the Premier League as quickly as possible. 
 

Re: Pearson, instinctively it feels like an unimaginative choice - a regressive move by a club that can’t think of what else to

do. But then you read that the alternatives are Russell Martin or giving it to Smith permanently, and suddenly it doesn’t seem such a bad idea after all…
 

 

 

it’s not that no one wants it. It’s more

about how attainable it is and how much of a mess are we in?  Do we want to Risk even more financial irresponsibility to  try and do this? We could throw money at it but the championship is notoriously hard to get out of.  Baring in mind we have 15 players out of contract in the next 15 months and how much of a risk will be be taking to try and really push for this? It might not be much of an issue but we don’t know the numbers..

[dylanlegend]

17 hours ago, Ashley said:

Someone make a good argument for why Pearson should come back here? He doesn't have the greatest records since leaving us does he? Watford gig was a joke. Surely if he was the greatest thing since sliced bread he'd have had better opportunities? 

We need a re-build.

 

Just like we needed a re-build in League One.

 

Just like we needed a re-build after Sven.

 

Pearson is Great at identifying the bad blood in the dressing room (Beckford, Mills) and building a good mentality. 
 

I would of course prefer if he brings Shakey and Walsh back with him.

 

But I honestly see any manager as a gamble and we know what we are getting with Nige.

[HybridFox]

1 hour ago, eblair said:

pearson for 2024 when the idiots running the club finally realise how screwed we really are

 

[The_77]

1 hour ago, eblair said:

pearson for 2024

Would absolutely vote for him for President of the United States. 

[Guest Basildon Fox]

13 hours ago, huddersfieldfox said:

Let go. For the love of god let go. Football has moved on 

What does that actually mean though?  He is managing in the league we are about to go to and is by all accounts doing a fine job for a smaller team.  Football has moved on but surely so will Nigel.  I will repeat.  If we played the way we did the season we got promoted under him, we would walk the division again.

 

I would love for somebody to actually explain what football has moved on so Pearson could no longer do a job means.

[Vazman]

3 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

What does that actually mean though?  He is managing in the league we are about to go to and is by all accounts doing a fine job for a smaller team.  Football has moved on but surely so will Nigel.  I will repeat.  If we played the way we did the season we got promoted under him, we would walk the division again.

 

I would love for somebody to actually explain what football has moved on so Pearson could no longer do a job means.

Its Football snobbery, by people chasing Managers, that wont come here.

 

I would be happy with Nige, or someone similar, because we need his / those skills set, and ruthlessness, more than ever, we are in a mess, the team are unfit, and injury prone, lacking any fighting spirit or positive mentality, and we require a clear out, the majority of fans like him, and we also need a lift.

 

I dont think he would come back, but I wouldn't be opposed to it either.

[dylanlegend]

14 hours ago, huddersfieldfox said:

Let go. For the love of god let go. Football has moved on 

How has it moved on? It’s not like he’s not managed for 10 years. He’s still managing at a high level and building a solid team at Bristol. Most of their supporters love him and optimistic for next season. 
 

Every season under Pearson I was content. Progress every year.

 

Both times he left us was for non footballing reasons. Unfinished business I would say 

[Stinkenzo]

12 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Assuming Nige still has the same principles he would at least ensure we have a squad full of players with a good mentality.

Yep sure, and there are a good number of managers out there that could do the same thing that have been managing at/to a better level over the past 5+ years. That's my gripe with these people that desperately want him back, feels like they don't actually realise there are more football managers out there than him, that they are choosing the easy option

[Guest Basildon Fox]

1 minute ago, Stinky said:

Yep sure, and there are a good number of managers out there that could do the same thing that have been managing at/to a better level over the past 5+ years. That's my gripe with these people that desperately want him back, feels like they don't actually realise there are more football managers out there than him, that they are choosing the easy option

Again.  What is an easy option?

 

If I mentioned no names but suggested we need a manager who can rebuild a team from scratch, knows the division, commands respect from his players and will get the fans on board.  Who's name would be in the frame? Nigel ****ing Pearson - Thats who.

[inckley fox]

14 hours ago, huddersfieldfox said:

Let go. For the love of god let go. Football has moved on 

He's part of the reason it moved on too! He was the principal architect of something which shook football. And I saw two very nice footballing sides in the FLC play-off semis this week against two more physical teams, and they both lost. So I'm not sure you need to be playing progressive football, whatever that is, to succeed at that level.

 

You can debate his briefer stints at clubs. Unspectacular but successful at Carlisle, Southampton, Hull. Improved Leuven but didn't quite deliver. I'd debate whether it was fair to judge him on Derby, and as for Watford, well, he'd given them a chance and may have kept them up. There's not much there to use against him. Before Bristol City most of his managerial career had been at one club, in two spells, where he was very successful.

 

But what are we looking for now? Firstly, someone with a track record of building teams, because ours needs perhaps the most drastic rebuild of any in the top two divisions. Pearson may well be the best in the business, certainly at that level. The team he formed weren't only good enough to go up, but also be very, very successful. And that's in the past decade. Unless people are of the view that Guardiola can't deliver at CL level because the last time he won it was a decade ago, that's got to count for something.

 

Secondly, we want promotion. He has two, including one spectacular title in the league we're going to. For us. And the 'never go back' argument dies in the water here because we'd already gone back (having won another promotion from another league with him, and nearly gone up again).

 

Thirdly, we don't want total freefall, when there's clearly the potential. Again, never happened with him. He arrests declines, then - given a full season - invariably improves on his previous finishes.

 

Fourthly, we want to reconnect with our identity. In spirit, if not in style. I don't even need to elaborate here.

 

Finally, we want someone who can be successful in the FLC. The old 'forget NP' argument was that that was really his level and, yes, he's jolly good at that. Well, chances are that's where we're going to be. And he's still evidently doing well at that level (and is more respected by his own supporters than, say, Martin) with limited resources.

 

I just don't know which other available manager has been doing well at that level recently, has been promoted from it and other leagues (with a team that did well upon promotion), doesn't get relegated, and who has an excellent track record at building teams. It can only be a personal or an emotional response if people don't want him. The caution I'd have is more as to whether these fans would have the patience to let him do what needs to be done 

[Stinkenzo]

3 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

Again.  What is an easy option?

 

If I mentioned no names but suggested we need a manager who can rebuild a team from scratch, knows the division, commands respect from his players and will get the fans on board.  Who's name would be in the frame? Nigel ****ing Pearson - Thats who.

And do you seriously think he is the only manager that fits that description?!? Commands respect is about as impressive as describing yourself as hard working on your CV. If Forest go down and sack Cooper, as well as Leeds/Southampton who are looking for managers, how high up on their shortlist do you think Pearson would be? He wouldn't even be on it. 

[Strokes]

On 15/05/2023 at 23:28, coolhandfox said:

**** sake his not going to shag you, give it up.

Nigel doesn’t shag you heathen, he does the splits then makes love.

[Death by Football]

I love what he did for us previously but I don't want him to come back.  He wouldn't get the same time and support from inside the club and the expectation levels from supporters and the media are much higher now.  Without the team we had around him as well he will be limited and I don't see us somehow hitting the jackpot again with players like Vardy, Mahrez, Kante etc. It wouldn't be the same and it would tarnish what he achieved before.  

I would like a similar disciplinarian figure to him as we are now far too soft as a team and a club.  I want someone who can motivate the players and get them fighting for the team and showing some pride every match.  I don't know who that manager is but I don't think we should delude ourselves that bringing Nige back is going to magically solve all our problems. 

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Just now, Stinky said:

And do you seriously think he is the only manager that fits that description?!? Commands respect is about as impressive as describing yourself as hard working on your CV. If Forest go down and sack Cooper, as well as Leeds/Southampton who are looking for managers, how high up on their shortlist do you think Pearson would be? He wouldn't even be on it. 

So who else is better qualified then?

[Stinkenzo]

1 minute ago, inckley fox said:

He's part of the reason it moved on too! He was the principal architect of something which shook football. And I saw two very nice footballing sides in the FLC play-off semis this week against two more physical teams, and they both lost. So I'm not sure you need to be playing progressive football, whatever that is, to succeed at that level.

 

You can debate his briefer stints at clubs. Unspectacular but successful at Carlisle, Southampton, Hull. Improved Leuven but didn't quite deliver. I'd debate whether it was fair to judge him on Derby, and as for Watford, well, he'd given them a chance and may have kept them up. There's not much there to use against him. Before Bristol City most of his managerial career had been at one club, in two spells, where he was very successful.

 

But what are we looking for now? Firstly, someone with a track record of building teams, because ours needs perhaps the most drastic rebuild of any in the top two divisions. Pearson may well be the best in the business, certainly at that level. The team he formed weren't only good enough to go up, but also be very, very successful. And that's in the past decade. Unless people are of the view that Guardiola can't deliver at CL level because the last time he won it was a decade ago, that's got to count for something.

 

Secondly, we want promotion. He has two, including one spectacular title in the league we're going to. For us. And the 'never go back' argument dies in the water here because we'd already gone back (having won another promotion from another league with him, and nearly gone up again).

 

Thirdly, we don't want total freefall, when there's clearly the potential. Again, never happened with him. He arrests declines, then - given a full season - invariably improves on his previous finishes.

 

Fourthly, we want to reconnect with our identity. In spirit, if not in style. I don't even need to elaborate here.

 

Finally, we want someone who can be successful in the FLC. The old 'forget NP' argument was that that was really his level and, yes, he's jolly good at that. Well, chances are that's where we're going to be. And he's still evidently doing well at that level (and is more respected by his own supporters than, say, Martin) with limited resources.

 

I just don't know which other available manager has been doing well at that level recently, has been promoted from it and other leagues (with a team that did well upon promotion), doesn't get relegated, and who has an excellent track record at building teams. It can only be a personal or an emotional response if people don't want him. The caution I'd have is more as to whether these fans would have the patience to let him do what needs to be done 

You sent this "just now" and Zaphorod immediately liked it

[kiwiturk]

He will come, see the bunch of pretend football players with no heart,spirit and balls probably turn back saying I can't save the unsaveable.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

1 minute ago, Stinky said:

You sent this "just now" and Zaphorod immediately liked it

 Slow day at work.  And no we are not the same person.

Edited 18 May 2023 by Zaphod Beeblebrox

[filthyfox]

10 hours ago, dylanlegend said:

We need a re-build.

 

Just like we needed a re-build in League One.

 

Just like we needed a re-build after Sven.

 

Pearson is Great at identifying the bad blood in the dressing room (Beckford, Mills) and building a good mentality. 
 

I would of course prefer if he brings Shakey and Walsh back with him.

 

But I honestly see any manager as a gamble and we know what we are getting with Nige.

Shakey... is already here??!!

[Fox92]

24 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

How has it moved on? It’s not like he’s not managed for 10 years. He’s still managing at a high level and building a solid team at Bristol. Most of their supporters love him and optimistic for next season. 
 

Every season under Pearson I was content. Progress every year.

 

Both times he left us was for non footballing reasons. Unfinished business I would say 

* Bristol City.

There are two league clubs in Bristol ffs.

[Stadt]

I love him but I don’t think he has the tactical and coaching ability to get us up in 2024. His ability to install the right mentality, recruit the right people and characters is what we need.

 

We can get the latter in a new DoF. Besides, I don’t think he’d leave Bristol City now.

[Stinkenzo]

7 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

 Slow day at work.  And no we are not the same person.

Oh that's not my point just that I couldn't have read that within a minute

 

8 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

So who else is better qualified then?

That's not my job fortunately, there will hopefully be people at the club sussing this out. But if Nigel Pearson is the only credible candidate then we have declined more in the past 12 months than I originally thought. 

 

I think Stadt sums it up well above, there are aspects to his style we need but there will be managers out there that can have more of an instant impact.