st albans fox Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 43 minutes ago, jgtuk said: I’m not aware of anyone playing down those instances, in fact everyone I know is horrified. Who doesn’t believe? One thing to remember is that these attacks and antisemitism, in the UK and abroad are coming from the right wing and/or a small fringe of terrorists (let’s call them what they are) and need calling out by everyone, regardless of political leaning. Braverman and her ilk have emboldened these idiots, the likes of which we saw at the cenotaph yesterday. I think we all need to work harder in calling these idiots out equally, whether it’s antisemitism, Islamophobia, Homophobia or any other type of bigotry. I’ve seen plenty of left wing anti semitism - agree unlikely to be physical attacks if anything I consider that worse because at least the right wing are blatant about their hatred of ‘others’.
Tommy Fresh Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 (edited) Couple of those fellas have been named. Unfortunate for this bloke though Edited 12 November 2023 by Tommy Fresh 1
jgtuk Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 46 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I’ve seen plenty of left wing anti semitism - agree unlikely to be physical attacks if anything I consider that worse because at least the right wing are blatant about their hatred of ‘others’. I think it’s best to go our separate ways on this if you can equate the “plenty” of left wing antisemitism to the physical attacks and abuse we’ve witnessed from the right and you deem it worse. Have a good one 👍
Mickyblueeyes Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 (edited) Since Oct 7 - Antisemitism has spiked by 1350%. Islamophobia has spiked by 600%. Synagogues and mosques have been attacked. Innocent people on both sides attacked and physically harmed. The scary thing is, those figures (especially on the Islamophobia side due to not having a reputable organisation such as CST involved) could in reality be significantly bigger. Both figures are deplorable. A ridiculous increase and many genuine people of both the Jewish and Islamic community are feeling (at the very least) vulnerable in the UK. In my opinion the increase in idiots making this a Jew v Muslim issue has been idiots, including politicians with very little knowledge on the subject. Politicians in particular (cough Braverman cough). The far right, drain on the tax system yobs out in London add very little to society apart from being an example of what not to be in life. But bear with me here, they are not the biggest problem. The problem lies, in my opinion is the organisations driving this “us v them” mentality. Academics in some cases. People who very well should know better. In my opinion, the actions at the protest are very much a minority. There’s 300,000 at least showing up. Bad eggs are going to show up to cause carnage when numbers are that high. My strong suggestion would be that stewards are engaged with the specific responsibility to weed these morons out. There are many Jews (as well other faiths and those of no faith) showing up to these protests weekly. If only for that reason, the PSC and others have to take responsibility on security and if not vocally, silently state not in my name. The protests/marches shouldn’t stop. The management needs to improve significantly. On the other side, apart from deporting to ****ing anywhere bigots like Robinson, Murray fox etc. Also, If we could get in a Home Sec who doesn’t hold obvious prejudices (alongside her ex-Soectator columnist SPAD (who would’ve thought it)) that would be a great start. We are talking about 3.8m (Muslims) people on one side and 370k(?) (Jews) on the other who are law abiding, successful, honest people - many who have been born here and fully fledged British citizens being put in uncomfortable positions due to a minority of bigots. No matter how small that minority, it is imperative they are stamped out as those figures I stated above are embarrassing for us as a nation. Edited 12 November 2023 by Mickyblueeyes 4
st albans fox Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 19 minutes ago, StanSP said: Whilst I wouldn’t want to query amir’s tweet, the doctor stated a sniper had shot patients. could he actually be certain that this wasn’t accidental cross fire as there are gun battles going on just outside of the hospital. Secondly, the doctor doesn’t state where the sniper has come from ? Has amin just assumed it must be an IDF soldier? If it was an IDF soldier then Israel will be certain to say that they were shot at from this area of the hospital. (irrespective of whether that happened - tbh, I struggle with the idea that an IDF sniper is shooting at patients inside a hospital - there are hundreds of civilians in the grounds who would make much easier targets if they just wanted to shoot civilians dead for ‘target practice’). Of course again, I couldn’t be certain that there weren’t rogue IDF soldiers going outside of their orders. there were some reports the other day that Israel had asked civilians staying in the hospital grounds to leave through a protected exit route and make their way south away from the battle zone of gaza city. That when some started leaving through the designated exit, they were then shot at by Hamas fighters who want civilians to remain in the hospital as they need them there as some kind of protection in the area. I have no idea if this is true (as we don’t know re Amir’s tweet) The babies are a huge issue that simply needs to be dealt with urgently. Another is reported to have died today from a stomach problem. Yesterday, Israel said they would help evacuate them but I think that has been dropped because there aren’t facilities in the south to take this many premature babies. BN has been quoted that yesterday evening, Israel left 300 litres of diesel for the hospital to take and use to ensure the incubators could be run. However this diesel had not yet been taken by the hospital and Israel could not find out why. Again, no one will know if this is true or just made up. it seems clear that Israel are hell bent on securing the area around the hospital - they also know the risk this poses to the image of the conflict and the continued support of the USA in this regard. They must be certain that the bunkers below ground there are vital to Hamas and that they believe sinwar is holed up in that particular underground network or a significant number of hostages are secured there. 2
jgtuk Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 There are none so blind as those who will not see
Jon the Hat Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 35 minutes ago, jgtuk said: There are none so blind as those who will not see Very true, and unfortunately there are plenty of those on both sides.
foxile5 Posted 12 November 2023 Posted 12 November 2023 There are videos of crisis actors circulating that make me wonder if they were faked in order to cast doubt not in the other videos but I'm the better veracity of fake videos. The amount of clandestine media that the Internet allows for is overwhelming. 1
st albans fox Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 8 hours ago, foxile5 said: There are videos of crisis actors circulating that make me wonder if they were faked in order to cast doubt not in the other videos but I'm the better veracity of fake videos. The amount of clandestine media that the Internet allows for is overwhelming. All disinformation and propaganda I’m sure that both sides will indulge in this What I’ve seen is highly likely to be simply videos of tv or film productions being made somewhere in the region and being portrayed on SM as ‘Pallywood’. There were a couple of videos which were clearly staged and and obvious attempt at propaganda but the majority claiming to show staged events were clearly exactly that and taken completely out of context by the poster. (Whether maliciously or through ignorance). The fact that none of these videos has been highlighted by the Israeli govt (afaik) is all you need to know about their veracity.
Lionator Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 15:46, st albans fox said: Who has ‘obliterated’ a functioning hospital ? Who ‘blew up’ the Al shifa ? "Over the past 36 days, the World Health Organization has recorded at least 137 attacks on healthcare units in Gaza, resulting in 521 deaths and 686 injuries, including 16 deaths and 38 injuries of health workers on duty. "More than half of the hospitals in the Gaza Strip are closed. Those still functioning are under massive strain and can only provide very limited emergency services, the UN agency said." 3
Lionator Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 Let’s not forget the whole original furore in London was supposedly because the centotaph was going to get attacked by the protest.
Mickyblueeyes Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 7 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Sewerella sacked First bit of great news in weeks !
StanSP Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 Great to see Braverman given her marching orders though 2
StanSP Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 No doubt a job vacancy just became available at somewhere like GB News... 2
LVFox Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 Big move to ship Braverman out. Going to cause a big rift in the right of the party but Rishi's only option is to try and drastically steer the Torys back to the centre. Reform will be rubbing their hands together...as will Labour
Greg2607 Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 so IF Cameron is back in government..... and given his stance on the exit from the EU.......... Could this be the ultimate U-Turn from the government to win the next election? Cameron as Foreign Secretary to position closer alignment to or rejoining the EU.... leaving Labour with a position where they have committed to staying out of the EU........ that would be ultimate politics and part of Rishi's "making decisions for the long term" and would be a mammoth move.... Ironically.... if they did that... I could genuinely see them winning the election. 1
st albans fox Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 Just now, Greg2607 said: so IF Cameron is back in government..... and given his stance on the exit from the EU.......... Could this be the ultimate U-Turn from the government to win the next election? Cameron as Foreign Secretary to position closer alignment to or rejoining the EU.... leaving Labour with a position where they have committed to staying out of the EU........ that would be ultimate politics and part of Rishi's "making decisions for the long term" and would be a mammoth move.... Ironically.... if they did that... I could genuinely see them winning the election. Er ………no. The govt is pretty much completely staffed by leavers. (and ignoring the last bit cos that simply won’t happen) but it’s interesting for sure
StanSP Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Er ………no. The govt is pretty much completely staffed by leavers. (and ignoring the last bit cos that simply won’t happen) but it’s interesting for sure He's been seen going into Downing St just now.
LVFox Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 Apologies for my ignorance, but how can Cameron be appointed Foreign Sec without being an MP?
Mickyblueeyes Posted 13 November 2023 Posted 13 November 2023 Just now, LVFox said: Apologies for my ignorance, but how can Cameron be appointed Foreign Sec without being an MP? House of Lords post.
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