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Trav Le Bleu

Also In The News - part 3

By Trav Le Bleu, in General Chat

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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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5 minutes ago, bovril said:

I think US-Europe is less of an axis and more of a servile relationship and since there have been two large wars in Europe in the last 30 or so years I'm not sure if it works anyway. 

 

Ultimately the fact that Europeans are currently fretting over a potential Trump presidency and what that will mean for e.g. the defence of Ukraine suggests we would do well not to need to rely on them in the future.

The wars have not involved Nato directly and without serious US involvement there would be a serious danger

bovril

bovril

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1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said:

The wars have not involved Nato directly and without serious US involvement there would be a serious danger

It's less than ideal that we have to worry whether the whims of voters in some godforsaken flyover state will lead to Eastern European countries not being able to defend themselves from Russia. We should develop our own capabilities more and if a Trump presidency accelerates that then maybe it's a good thing.

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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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3 minutes ago, bovril said:

It's less than ideal that we have to worry whether the whims of voters in some godforsaken flyover state will lead to Eastern European countries not being able to defend themselves from Russia. We should develop our own capabilities more and if a Trump presidency accelerates that then maybe it's a good thing.

Agreed but I don't think Europe could make up the shortfall. 

bovril

bovril

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24 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Agreed but I don't think Europe could make up the shortfall. 

The EU is the third largest economy in the world. And we might not have much of a choice. The US is a very different country from the early 2000s it seems, more isolationist and less Atlanticist on both the left and right. 

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Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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3 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Agreed but I don't think Europe could make up the shortfall. 

Of course it could, but it has to choose to.  It would be a start for them to meet their NATO spend commitment of 2% of GDP, as Trump demanded last time and no doubt will again.  

Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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8 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Of course it could, but it has to choose to.  It would be a start for them to meet their NATO spend commitment of 2% of GDP, as Trump demanded last time and no doubt will again.  

I agree about the 2% commitment. Just think even with this and plus it would not make up the loss of US involvement 

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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2 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

I agree about the 2% commitment. Just think even with this and plus it would not make up the loss of US involvement 

It would take a long time

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ClaphamFox

ClaphamFox

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15 hours ago, Daggers said:

I don’t see how splitting a European-USA axis would be good for world peace?

It wouldn't. But it might increase the UK's chances of getting a new trade deal with the EU on much more favourable terms.

 

Small mercies, etc.

MPH

MPH

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I think trump realizes the value of an alliance with Europe. You have to put everything he says through the Trump filter.  The intel and ‘ extra reach’ that NATO gives the United States is invaluable. Also. Remember trump is all about America first  and he’s also all about making deals and getting what he wants.

 

im convinced all his hot air about NATO is about reducing Americas contribution and increasing individual European nation’s contributions. I don’t think he seriously wants to leave NATIO.. I think he’s trying to scare nations into giving more.

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Zear0

Zear0

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7 hours ago, MPH said:

I think trump realizes the value of an alliance with Europe. You have to put everything he says through the Trump filter.  The intel and ‘ extra reach’ that NATO gives the United States is invaluable. Also. Remember trump is all about America first  and he’s also all about making deals and getting what he wants.

 

im convinced all his hot air about NATO is about reducing Americas contribution and increasing individual European nation’s contributions. I don’t think he seriously wants to leave NATIO.. I think he’s trying to scare nations into giving more.

He's partly about America First but he's also a complete man baby which is influencing decisions he's making. His whole Ukraine position is based on him being impeached for blackmailing Ukraine for dirt on Biden. It's nothing political, it's simply personal to him. This is one of numerous axes he has to grind which will impact what he does if he gets in. 

 

Agree he doesn't want to leave NATO as if he did he'd have done it. Just think it's Trump first followed by America First and if leaving NATO is a pre-req to settle a score, he'll do it. 

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Salisbury Fox

Salisbury Fox

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9 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

I agree about the 2% commitment. Just think even with this and plus it would not make up the loss of US involvement 

It wouldn’t, most European armed forces have based their capabilities upon heavy US support. For example our own air defence capability has been reduced on the basis that we would have air superiority provided predominantly by the US. It would take many years to grow these capabilities.

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Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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7 hours ago, MPH said:

I think trump realizes the value of an alliance with Europe. You have to put everything he says through the Trump filter.  The intel and ‘ extra reach’ that NATO gives the United States is invaluable. Also. Remember trump is all about America first  and he’s also all about making deals and getting what he wants.

 

im convinced all his hot air about NATO is about reducing Americas contribution and increasing individual European nation’s contributions. I don’t think he seriously wants to leave NATIO.. I think he’s trying to scare nations into giving more.

Trump is all about Trump.

MPH

MPH

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58 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Trump is all about Trump.


 

to a degree.

 

 

but there are much easier jobs to take to be selfish with..

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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2 hours ago, MPH said:


 

to a degree.

 

 

but there are much easier jobs to take to be selfish with..

They don't keep you out of prison though.

MPH

MPH

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27 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

They don't keep you out of prison though.


 

he probably wouldn’t be under the  same level of scrutiny he’s under right now. 

urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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8 hours ago, MPH said:

Change of topic.... some stunning new photos of the Sun have been released. And no, i don't mean they are bringing back page 3

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0hgsj09/stunning-photos-show-the-sun-like-never-before

If we'd been putting this sort of thing on Page 3 instead we probably wouldn't have ended up with the Tories and Brexit. :ph34r:

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MPH

MPH

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19 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

If we'd been putting this sort of thing on Page 3 instead we probably wouldn't have ended up with the Tories and Brexit. :ph34r:


Brexit and the Tories are all my fault :cry:

Lionator

Lionator

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3 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Good speech from Biden

 

Gives some hope that he can yet fend off the loonies

Just giving it a watch now. It was great wasn’t it. Properly good stuff and hopefully a turning moment in this crazy race. 

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fox_up_north

fox_up_north

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For a start, he's in Macclesfield. I know the area and it is not somewhere that I can see a vegan cafe being a success story.

 

Second, you've stopped being a vegan cafe when you start selling meat. 

 

Strikes me as an idealist who had no business sense and has been caught with his trousers down. I suspect when the lease is up it'll change hands. 

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Zear0

Zear0

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8 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

Not true really, I have a non alcoholic gin bar which serves gin at a minimum of 40% proof.

Sounds like the only non-alcoholic bar worth visiting. 

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