Players contracts

[KingsX]

On 04/02/2024 at 04:57, Sly said:

30th June 2024	30th June 2025	30th June 2026	30th June 2027	30th June 2028
Marc Albrighton	Danny Ward	Conor Coady	Wout Faes	Harry Souttar
Jannik Vestergaard	Daniel Iversen	Ricardo Pereira	Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall	Mads Hermansen
Dennis Praet	Luke Thomas	Harry Winks	Hamza Choudhury	Victor Kristiansen
Jamie Vardy		Boubakary Soumaré
Wilfred Ndidi		Patson Daka
Kelechi Iheanacho		James Justin
Callum Doyle		Stephy Mavididi
Issahaku Fatawu		Sammy Braybooke
Yunus Akgun		Kasey Mcateer
		Will Alves
		Wanya Marçal

 

Looking at the players whose contracts expire from 2025 on out …  there are many we will not be able to use in the Prem under Enzo.

 

Some fantasize that we’ll shift the deadwood.  But two trends will ensure we’re stuck with most of these guys.

     - FFP is shrinking contracts for all but superstars.  Your current deal may well be your biggest deal.

     - Players with good prospects, increasingly prefer to run their deals down, to maximize their signing-on fees rather than their clubs' selling profit. 

 

Few of these players could go into the open market and equal the remainder of their LCFC wages.  Winks probably, KDH maybe.  The rest of the senior pros have a big financial incentive to ride out their contracts.  And of them, Iversen and Kristiansen are the only ones young and good enough, you figure they will accept a financial hit to go elsewhere and start. 

 

Ward, Coady, Soumare, Hamza, Souttar etc … the club will have to do some unhappy triage.

     - which can contribute enough at the next level in Enzo's system to make the 25

     - which they can move out on deals which hurt (but don't kill) us for FFP, and

     - which contracts they can afford to write off next summer.

 

[iancognito]

I can't believe the club wouldn't offer Vardy some sort of deal. If we release him, he'd be snapped up by another PL club, even if it's another promoted club, simply for his experience. It would certainly be his final year/deal but we'll be playing catch-up getting ourselves re-established and even 15-20 minute cameos chasing games he'd be a help.

 

I'd be letting Ndidi and Iheanacho go. I know Wilf's had a great transformation under Enzo but he's also on a fair wedge and gets injured far too often with random muscle injuries for a couple of months at a time. With players like Sensi (and obviously others) available out there we'd surely be looking at other options?

 

You'd think Iversen would attract a Championship club too. I'm not naive enough to think anyone at all will take Danny Ward until he's on a Bosman.

[Bert]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

Quite a lot to unpack here Bert.

 

First of all, on a personal basis, I have no reason not to believe you.

 

I think saying 'the problem with this place' is that it is pretty normal and understandable that people might be watchful or sceptical - the point you make about others that know nothing isn't really the point. Just because they definitely know nothing doesn't mean the source in question (you in this case, but I'm trying not to make it personal) definitely know everything. I think when people claim to know something that really should be the 3rd party's own business, the burden of proof/truth should not be on those being passed the information.

 

I think your point about 'harping on' is general rather than aimed at me, because I certainly don't on this subject. I am happy to believe what you say to be true. If you're close enough to Hamza that he told you this (unless you were saying it just to make a point), then you must know him quite well (unless he's rather indiscriminate - not impossible I accept), and just to play Devil's Advocate, if you are mates with him, presumably he's told you all the details of his recent driving mishap.....

 

I accept what you say about revealing sources, but the quid pro quo to that is that you're asking everyone to accept you're speaking in good faith without actually knowing you, and that, on an internet forum, is not realistic.

To be honest, none of that post was aimed directly at you. 
 

It’s very well known and there a few people on here that will also know, added to the fact that generally this information can be found on certain websites which are always there or thereabouts. 
 

I don’t know Hamza at all, but that was my point. Had I actually known him, people still would try and find holes in it all or try and discredit the actual “source” (hate that word) let alone that people who are privy to information will generally be told not to reveal who or where the information has came from or even reveal it at all. Therefore everyone asking people to reveal their “source” without actually knowing them on an internet forum, is not realistic. 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

To be honest, none of that post was aimed directly at you. 
 

It’s very well known and there a few people on here that will also know, added to the fact that generally this information can be found on certain websites which are always there or thereabouts. 
 

I don’t know Hamza at all, but that was my point. Had I actually known him, people still would try and find holes in it all or try and discredit the actual “source” (hate that word) let alone that people who are privy to information will generally be told not to reveal who or where the information has came from or even reveal it at all. Therefore everyone asking people to reveal their “source” without actually knowing them on an internet forum, is not realistic. 

Understood - it is indeed tricky.

[STEVIE B]

Harry Souttar. Contracted until June 30th 2028.

Wow. 

[KingsX]

1 hour ago, STEVIE B said:

Harry Souttar. Contracted until June 30th 2028.

Wow. 

 

Yep.  We paid Stoke ₤15M and owe him ₤10M+ total over his contract.  That’s ₤20M of remaining FFP hit we have to take if we move him, minus any fee and/or salary relief we get.

 

Surely he’s good enough to play in the Championship or lower Prem, for a club that defends closer to its box.  But clubs that fit that description (hell, most clubs at the moment) are more desperate to shift unwanted players, than to pick up ₤40K/week center backs.

[Chrysalis]

5 hours ago, iancognito said:

I can't believe the club wouldn't offer Vardy some sort of deal. If we release him, he'd be snapped up by another PL club, even if it's another promoted club, simply for his experience. It would certainly be his final year/deal but we'll be playing catch-up getting ourselves re-established and even 15-20 minute cameos chasing games he'd be a help.

 

I'd be letting Ndidi and Iheanacho go. I know Wilf's had a great transformation under Enzo but he's also on a fair wedge and gets injured far too often with random muscle injuries for a couple of months at a time. With players like Sensi (and obviously others) available out there we'd surely be looking at other options?

 

You'd think Iversen would attract a Championship club too. I'm not naive enough to think anyone at all will take Danny Ward until he's on a Bosman.

The problem is we are really weak financially.

 

How much do you think Vardy should be paid for the odd cameo?  I think 10k a week is probably the limit, and that might be seen as an insult to offer him that.

I was going to disagree with you on Ndidi, but I think you have a reasonable point on the increasingly worse injury record.

 

I am starting to look at this in a way of players that have been productive under Enzo as I do believe teams needs to suit the manager running them.

Edited 6 February 2024 by Chrysalis

[Sly]

What people forget about Choudbury, was that he was once touted as being a major player. He was our academy player of the year and seen as a phenomenal talent. Clearly that hasn’t panned out.
 

One way or another, even via agent links, he was linked to Barcelona and that alone may have forced the clubs hand to potentially overpay on a contract with a view that maybe they could cash in at a later date. 
 

In other news, it looks like we tried to sign another centre back late in the window.

 

https://the72.co.uk/2024/02/05/portuguese-club-held-firm-amid-leicester-citys-late-bid-to-sign-23-year-old-report-claims/

So we are maybe looking at alternative players for next season. Which means we are either aiming to ship out Souttar, or won’t be looking at renewing Vestergaard. 

[Chrysalis]

Agree with Strider here.

 

 

[STEVIE B]

I do find the Soutter & Kristiansen contracts (until June 2028) absolutely baffling. 

It's like we were playing with Monopoly money. 

Edited 16 February 2024 by STEVIE B

[pmcla26]

4 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

I do find the Soutter & Kristiansen contracts (until June 2028) absolutely baffling. 

It's like we were playing with Monopoly money. 

I agree it’s not good use of money, but I think it was thought out with genuine good intent that we were thinking they’d help us stay up and be important parts of the squad for years to come. 
 

Things have happened since then that have meant this won’t be the case.

 

Kristiansen is good enough to play in a Maresca side but, despite having the attributes, doesn’t want to play the inverted full back role in the system. 
 

Souttar on the other hand is a straight up dud. Not a bad defender but doesn’t suit us whatsoever and a lot of money, poor signing really.

[coolhandfox]

12 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

I do find the Soutter & Kristiansen contracts (until June 2028) absolutely baffling. 

It's like we were playing with Monopoly money. 

I imagine we did for amortisation reasons as we couldn't afford it FFP wise with short contracts.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

If we go up.....we got to give another 1m to wolves for Coady.

[STEVIE B]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

I imagine we did for amortisation reasons as we couldn't afford it FFP wise with short contracts.

That would make some sense. 

On the other hand, we were so badly run under Rodgers (I'm sure others were to blame) and we did seem to sleepwalk into situations, obviously relegation was the main one. 

[st albans fox]

19 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

I do find the Soutter & Kristiansen contracts (until June 2028) absolutely baffling. 

It's like we were playing with Monopoly money. 

Very few players sign contracts less than five years.  Tielemans was one . 

[STEVIE B]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Very few players sign contracts less than five years.  Tielemans was one . 

That's possibly a fair point. It's just the fact both (especially Soutter) have had little impact/game time. 

Our recruitment has been very poor in our recent past. 

 

[Sly]

The extra £1m for Coady? Does anyone know if that was linked to “X” amount of appearances? Surely he won’t be here next season. 
 

At this moment in time, I’d still consider Vestergaard, Vardy, Ndidi and I could see why they’d consider Praet.
 

Yunus I’m on the fence with.

 

Fatawu and Doyle pre injury were a must. 
 

We can’t be trusted to do a major rebuild, so if we need to bring in 8+ players, it would be a crazy summer. 
 

For Iheanacho and Albrighton, I can’t see them playing for us in any scenario past the end of this season.