Dewsbury-Hall

[Chelmofox]

5 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

You ITK? The player doesn’t want to leave and it’s not like the era when Pipes was forced out, nor are we facing administration. If a big 6/7 club comes in for him then maybe he’ll go m, but Brighton? Fulham? Brentford? Can’t see it. He’ll have his wages cut if he joins one of these clubs for a start. 

FFP. Pure profit. Club will find a way.

[The boy Linacre]

17 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Not sure KDH would appreciate being called a Hendo-type player. I’d say he’s got a bit more quality and creativity to his game than that! 

Hmmm

Hendo = 81 England Caps, WC Semi final & Euro final

Club World Cup, UEFA Super Cup & Champions League, FA Cup winner & RU, League Cup x 2, Europa League Runner Up, FWA Player of the Year

 

KDH = Championship medal winner & Community Shield (Hendo has won that too)

 

Maybe he would????

[dmayne7]

So we need to sell ASAP so it's in this year's accounts right? Anybody realised that the other clubs mooted might not be able to sign him because they want the transfer to start in next year's accounts? So add that to the possibility that he doesn't want to leave and it's not quite the slam dunk some people are making out

[Chelmofox]

18 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

So we need to sell ASAP so it's in this year's accounts right? Anybody realised that the other clubs mooted might not be able to sign him because they want the transfer to start in next year's accounts? So add that to the possibility that he doesn't want to leave and it's not quite the slam dunk some people are making out

 

Money got to come from somewhere this FY. Its certainly not a slam dunk, but it it doesnt come from KDH you have to wonder how bad this seasons accounts are going to look. 

[Scotch]

32 minutes ago, The boy Linacre said:

Hmmm

Hendo = 81 England Caps, WC Semi final & Euro final

Club World Cup, UEFA Super Cup & Champions League, FA Cup winner & RU, League Cup x 2, Europa League Runner Up, FWA Player of the Year

 

KDH = Championship medal winner & Community Shield (Hendo has won that too)

 

Maybe he would????

Ex Man Utd player Anderson was god awful and has 4 PL, 1 league Cup, a club world cup and a champions league...

[Scotch]

30 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

So we need to sell ASAP so it's in this year's accounts right? Anybody realised that the other clubs mooted might not be able to sign him because they want the transfer to start in next year's accounts? So add that to the possibility that he doesn't want to leave and it's not quite the slam dunk some people are making out

It is a slight possibility that some other clubs aren't run by conplete morons and have realised this and conducted their finances in a way that allows them to take advantage of other teams need to sell. 

[ClaphamFox]

6 minutes ago, Scotch said:

It is a slight possibility that some other clubs aren't run by conplete morons and have realised this and conducted their finances in a way that allows them to take advantage of other teams need to sell. 

But if their idea of taking advantage of our need to sell is to offer us £15m, then it won’t happen. Is a club likely to come in for KDH before the end of June that: a) is willing to offer £25m+; and b) is a club that KDH wants to join?

 

Two major unknowns there. Of course a club that meets these criteria may come in for KDH, but if that doesn’t happen we may just have to accept another PSR breach. 

[Dahnsouff]

56 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

So we need to sell ASAP so it's in this year's accounts right? Anybody realised that the other clubs mooted might not be able to sign him because they want the transfer to start in next year's accounts? So add that to the possibility that he doesn't want to leave and it's not quite the slam dunk some people are making out

Sales can appear in this FY without the whole cost appearing in the buyers accounts in the same FY via amortisation, enables exactly this type of manoeuvring.

[JimJams]

51 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Ex Man Utd player Anderson was god awful and has 4 PL, 1 league Cup, a club world cup and a champions league...

Was he the club captain and an ever present in the side?

 

 

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

If KDH has only half the career Henderson has had then I'm sure he will be happy.

Yeh but KDH is a completely different type of footballer. Certainly more creative, a better finisher and better at assisting but not the leader that Hendo is. But as I say not the same type of player at all. 

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Sales can appear in this FY without the whole cost appearing in the buyers accounts in the same FY via amortisation, enables exactly this type of manoeuvring.

Note the bit I said about starting in the next FY. I'm aware of the manoeuvring and we're likely talking sub £10m for the buying club on their accounts year 1, but it's still possible for some of them that it could be a tipping point. Unlikely but still a possibility

[dmayne7]

2 hours ago, Scotch said:

It is a slight possibility that some other clubs aren't run by conplete morons and have realised this and conducted their finances in a way that allows them to take advantage of other teams need to sell. 

Counter point; because they're not run by morons they realise they have to wait until the first part of the transaction can be in next year's accounts in order to remain financially compliant?

[Scotch]

1 hour ago, JimJams said:

Was he the club captain and an ever present in the side?

 

 

What does that matter? The statement was "Hendo-type player" and the response was that KDH would be happy with that because of his honours. I simply pointed out that honours don't always mean much. His attendance was never relevant.

[Claridge]

 

8 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said:

I once again return to remind someone in this forum that KDH is in fact a VERY capable player in the premier league and in his debut season in 21/22 won Players player of the season...for guess what, being very good .

A magnificent achievement that ranks alongside Hendersons 21-22 season of 2nd in the league, fa cup winners, EFL winners and champions league runners up. 

[Number 6]

I think there's a decent chance he stays to be honest.

 

Think we'll see what offers come in and if none meet the valuation then we don't sell, don't see us being worried by EFL PSR breach given lack of trying to adhere on previous years. We'll argue that the Barnes sale, lack of purchases in Jan, etc was us getting house in order and a wage problem is a slower ship to turn around.

 

Add in the fact that there is an international tournament starting which will slow all the transfer activity down, I think there's an underestimated chance that he remains a Leicester player next season.

[funkyrobot]

15 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

FFP. Pure profit. Club will find a way.

Only makes sense if the selling of KDH costs us less points than a points deduction! 

[funkyrobot]

12 hours ago, Claridge said:

 

A magnificent achievement that ranks alongside Hendersons 21-22 season of 2nd in the league, fa cup winners, EFL winners and champions league runners up. 

That’s due to Hendo playing for a big 6 club and KDH playing for a club with a fraction of the budget of Liverpool. Less to do with the comparable abilities of the two players or even the completely different roles they played for their respective clubs.

[lcfcsnow]

I'd cash in and get the money before he's found out next season, he's too one footed and still hasn't learnt when to release the ball. Let Ndidi go also, then hopefully will allow us to bring in more suitable 8's for this system and bring Alves through too.

[funkyrobot]

16 hours ago, The boy Linacre said:

Hmmm

Hendo = 81 England Caps, WC Semi final & Euro final

Club World Cup, UEFA Super Cup & Champions League, FA Cup winner & RU, League Cup x 2, Europa League Runner Up, FWA Player of the Year

 

KDH = Championship medal winner & Community Shield (Hendo has won that too)

 

Maybe he would????

Do you not realise the honours you win as a footballer are directly related to the team that you play for? Hendo played an entirely different role for a better Liverpool than KDH does for a clearly not as good Leicester. Hendo was a leader on the pitch for Liverpool but he wasn’t in there for his creativity, his breaking from midfield, his assists or his goals. The reason this debate started was someone posted that Liverpool could buy KDH as a Hendo-type player. Other than both being midfielders, they have a totally different skillset and role. 

[Chocolate Teapot]

26 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Do you not realise the honours you win as a footballer are directly related to the team that you play for? Hendo played an entirely different role for a better Liverpool than KDH does for a clearly not as good Leicester. Hendo was a leader on the pitch for Liverpool but he wasn’t in there for his creativity, his breaking from midfield, his assists or his goals. The reason this debate started was someone posted that Liverpool could buy KDH as a Hendo-type player. Other than both being midfielders, they have a totally different skillset and role. 

It's genuinely laughable you're suggesting KDH is anywhere near as good as Henderson. He's had one good season in the champ for us, and one for Luton. The rest he's barely got in our side. He's not even on the same planet currently.

[TheGoldenGod]

10 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

It's genuinely laughable you're suggesting KDH is anywhere near as good as Henderson. He's had one good season in the champ for us, and one for Luton. The rest he's barely got in our side. He's not even on the same planet currently.

How the hell is my comment defending KDH in his first PL season spiralled into a Henderson vs KDH debate that I'm trying to catch up on now....they aren't even similar moulds.

 

Not to mention people saying he wasn't good in the Premier League are unfortunately factually incorrect. His maiden PL season was clearly very good . People have been hit with the Men In Black pen bless em'.

[Chocolate Teapot]

11 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

How the hell is my comment defending KDH in his first PL season spiralled into a Henderson vs KDH debate that I'm trying to catch up on now....they aren't even similar moulds.

 

Not to mention people saying he wasn't good in the Premier League are unfortunately factually incorrect. His maiden PL season was clearly very good . People have been hit with the Men In Black pen bless em'.

He was okay for us but him coming into the side coincided with us being crap and I'm not sure 2 assists and 1 goal is anything to write home about.

[TheGoldenGod]

17 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

He was okay for us but him coming into the side coincided with us being crap and I'm not sure 2 assists and 1 goal is anything to write home about.

Objectively looking at PL numbers, no that isn't amazing but he was consistent that season playing a deeper role giving Maddison the reins for goals and assists. Got a couple in europe for us too considering he'd not been integrated at all before that point, dropped straight in. Fast-forward two years on and he's much more polished. Think he'll show his quality again, albeit probably not with us.

Edited 15 May by TheGoldenGod

[Stadt]

KDH first emerged amongst the backdrop of Rodgers losing the plot, it was a dysfunctional team and he was arguably our best player in 21/22. He was always capable of better G+A numbers but Rodgers used him as dog first and foremost.

 

He's had a slow starting career because we didn't get him out on loan fast enough. I'm a bit worried the same thing happens to Alves and Braybrooke.

[funkyrobot]

3 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

It's genuinely laughable you're suggesting KDH is anywhere near as good as Henderson. He's had one good season in the champ for us, and one for Luton. The rest he's barely got in our side. He's not even on the same planet currently.

It’s genuinely laughable that you’d actually compare the two from an ability perspective. One is a right sided holding midfielder, not particularly impressively defensively (check out his stats) but a great leader with good energy, good positional sense and very consistent. One is a left sided attacking midfielder, a strong runner with the ball who looks to assist and score goals. The only thing they have in common is that they are both midfielders.