US Presidential Election 2024

[Dahnsouff]

what a shit show

[Jon the Hat]

While this is unfortunate for a lot of Americans, the big questions for me are how he handles the conflicts current and imminent.

[Lionator]

5 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

While this is unfortunate for a lot of Americans, the big questions for me are how he handles the conflicts current and imminent.

Like others have said, Ukraine is basically finished and there will be a massive escalation in the Middle East. 

[Lionator]

I feel bad for women and minorities in America but the democrats absolutely had this coming. Pathetic bunch of losers. Maybe politicians will start offering actual policy again now. 

[westernpark]

One positive is that our own Prime Minister had the foresight to build relationships with Trump’s incumbent crew- even praised by Farage. 
The biggest worry is Putin and we would have a President who is in his pocket. I can’t look past that. I don’t really care about domestic America because it’s none of my business.

[Guest TamworthFoxes]

So it seems Trump has won this fairly easy.  Now all day yesterday and pretty much the last month all I have read on main stream media is how close this race is. How it is a 50/50 knife edge split where literally 80,000 votes either way could decide it.

Pollsters and projections couldn’t split them right up until the last minute.

So imagine my surprise that Trump was a solid 4/7 on with the bookies.

Perhaps in future when all these political experts are so confused with the 50/50 race they get on the phone to Denise Coates from Stoke on Trent as she knew exactly how this was going to go down.

[Izzy]

The worst thing about a Trump win is that Turnberry stays off the open golf championship rota. 

If he’d just lose and fvck off out of politics for good then there’s a chance the worlds best golf tournament could be played on one of the worlds best courses again.

 

[leicsmac]

Just woke up.

 

Well, if things pan out the way they're looking to right now, then I really hope that I'm wrong about the future.

 

If I'm not, however, then the consequences for that - for people in Ukraine, in the middle East, for LGBT people, for ethnic minorities, for the biosphere itself - will be on everyone who saw what Trump was, what he represents, and voted for him anyway in the name of their own short term self interest. There will be - has to be - a reckoning.

 

5 minutes ago, TamworthFoxes said:

 

So imagine my surprise that Trump was a solid 4/7 on with the bookies.

Perhaps in future when all these political experts are so confused with the 50/50 race they get on the phone to Denise Coates from Stoke on Trent as she knew exactly how this was going to go down.

To be fair to at least fivethirtyeight.com, they took great pains to say that even though the results modelling they had put it 50/50 in terms of victories, that didn't mean the result itself need be close.

[grobyfox1990]

Who would’ve thought running a campaign akin to a year 5 milk captain election, with your main tagline being ‘I’m not trump’, ends in embarrassing failure. 
People need a reason to vote for you aside from developing fear. Shocking from the dimocrats. All is not lost though as Harris says trump lies about everything and won’t carry out any of his pledges, so the OTT alarmists predicting the end of the world can relax 

[Jon the Hat]

8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Just woke up.

 

Well, if things pan out the way they're looking to right now, then I really hope that I'm wrong about the future.

 

If I'm not, however, then the consequences for that - for people in Ukraine, in the middle East, for LGBT people, for ethnic minorities, for the biosphere itself - will be on everyone who saw what Trump was, what he represents, and voted for him anyway in the name of their own short term self interest. There will be - has to be - a reckoning.

You don't think the Democrats bear some responsibility for their inability to put up a decent candidate - again - when they have a seemingly clear majority of support across the US on most issues?  How are they so bad at this?

 

Obviously, I also hope you are wrong about the future.  I think you are.

[Jon the Hat]

27 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Like others have said, Ukraine is basically finished and there will be a massive escalation in the Middle East. 

Its an interesting question - personally I think if Trump bails on Ukraine we will find European Nato has little choice but to step up;  Generally speaking this probably means buying the same weapons the US has been supplying, along with others.

[grobyfox1990]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

You don't think the Democrats bear some responsibility for their inability to put up a decent candidate - again - when they have a seemingly clear majority of support across the US on most issues?  How are they so bad at this?

 

Obviously, I also hope you are wrong about the future.  I think you are.

Ofc they are hugely responsible. They hold a clear responsibility for not making this perceived and absolute message of doom clearer. History will remember democrat incompetence 
Our representatives are meant to speak to us, not tell us they’re not the other side and expect votes for it. It’s like going to a board meeting and expecting the board to make a huge decision just because you told them too. 

[Sampson]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

Its an interesting question - personally I think if Trump bails on Ukraine we will find European Nato has little choice but to step up;  Generally speaking this probably means buying the same weapons the US has been supplying, along with others.

In a way it could bring UK back closer to the EU. If UK joins the EU in supporting Ukraine “in defence of European values”. We’ll see though. I’m not sure how much UK and EU can realistically find Ukraine on their own sadly.

[Blarmy]

Don’t feel particularly motivated to do a days work for my American employer today. 

[shen]

25 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Just woke up.

 

Well, if things pan out the way they're looking to right now, then I really hope that I'm wrong about the future.

 

If I'm not, however, then the consequences for that - for people in Ukraine, in the middle East, for LGBT people, for ethnic minorities, for the biosphere itself - will be on everyone who saw what Trump was, what he represents, and voted for him anyway in the name of their own short term self interest. There will be - has to be - a reckoning.

 

To be fair to at least fivethirtyeight.com, they took great pains to say that even though the results modelling they had put it 50/50 in terms of victories, that didn't mean the result itself need be close.

No one will remember Trump, what he did or what he was responsible for when time comes. The people will be utterly ignorant of anything. Braindead sheep.

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Who would’ve thought running a campaign akin to a year 5 milk captain election, with your main tagline being ‘I’m not trump’, ends in embarrassing failure. 
People need a reason to vote for you aside from developing fear. Shocking from the dimocrats. All is not lost though as Harris says trump lies about everything and won’t carry out any of his pledges, so the OTT alarmists predicting the end of the world can relax 

I know I've asked you before, but is there any reason at all to suggest that business/the Chinese/AN Other will pick up the tab on ecological issues in the time needed and the manner needed?

 

17 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

You don't think the Democrats bear some responsibility for their inability to put up a decent candidate - again - when they have a seemingly clear majority of support across the US on most issues?  How are they so bad at this?

 

Obviously, I also hope you are wrong about the future.  I think you are.

As above, really - perhaps the social consequences may not pan out, but I don't see the environmental ones ending any other way. If there's another possible outcome, I'd love to hear justification for it.

 

Edit: This has been covered before too, but when bad things happen, the one who actually did them takes most of the blame, with the ones that tried to stop them and failed also getting a part of it, but much smaller.

Edited 6 November 2024 by leicsmac

[hejammy]

15 minutes ago, Sampson said:

In a way it could bring UK back closer to the EU. If UK joins the EU in supporting Ukraine “in defence of European values”. We’ll see though. I’m not sure how much UK and EU can realistically find Ukraine on their own sadly.

No chance the UK will go against the USA 

[Torquay Gunner]

22 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Who would’ve thought running a campaign akin to a year 5 milk captain election, with your main tagline being ‘I’m not trump’, ends in embarrassing failure. 
People need a reason to vote for you aside from developing fear. Shocking from the dimocrats. All is not lost though as Harris says trump lies about everything and won’t carry out any of his pledges, so the OTT alarmists predicting the end of the world can relax 

It worked for Biden, but of course he is neither black or female.  I would like to know how the hell did Ted Cruz the most hated senator in the country,  hold onto his seat against a really strong democratic candidate. Yes I know it’s Texas, but come on USA. 

[Zear0]

[grobyfox1990]

1 minute ago, Torquay Gunner said:

It worked for Biden, but of course he is neither black or female.  I would like to know how the hell did Ted Cruz the most hated senator in the country,  hold onto his seat against a really strong democratic candidate. Yes I know it’s Texas, but come on USA. 

Biden had the externality of covid tbf. Good point on Ted Cruz, unbelievable 

[shen]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I know I've asked you before, but is there any reason at all to suggest that business/the Chinese/AN Other will pick up the tab on ecological issues in the time needed and the manner needed?

 

As above, really - perhaps the social consequences may not pan out, but I don't see the environmental ones ending any other way. If there's another possible outcome, I'd love to hear justification for it.

 

Edit: This has been covered before too, but when bad things happen, the one who actually did them takes most of the blame, with the ones that tried to stop them and failed also getting a part of it, but much smaller.

Except we live in times where everything, even hard truths, are up for debate. I don't trust the population of the US to wake up and smell the coffee any time soon.

[les-tah]

[leicsmac]

In lighter news, the current news is boosting the alien reality tv special "Terran Shore" to record ratings on a dozen colonised systems.

 

Apparently slightly elevated primates and their questionable decision making makes for incredible viewing.

[leicsmac]

11 minutes ago, shen said:

No one will remember Trump, what he did or what he was responsible for when time comes. The people will be utterly ignorant of anything. Braindead sheep.

I hope that we don't have to find out.

[Lionator]

20 minutes ago, Sampson said:

In a way it could bring UK back closer to the EU. If UK joins the EU in supporting Ukraine “in defence of European values”. We’ll see though. I’m not sure how much UK and EU can realistically find Ukraine on their own sadly.

Yeah it can’t. Ukraine is heavily reliant on American and German funding, and they’re the two countries most invested in the end of the war and Ukraine not in NATO. You only have to see how bad things got when the funding was held up in congress in spring.