US Presidential Election 2024

[leicsmac]

Slight polling tilt in favour of Harris over the last 48 hours, but the forecast still has it pretty much exactly 50/50. Betting markets have tightened a bit too.

 

Harvey Two-Face Dent would no doubt approve the fates of millions being decided on essentially the flip of a coin.

[grobyfox1990]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

In the case of the first paragraph I hardly think it's an apples to apples comparison, but fair enough on incitement clearly being subjective.

 

On the second part, I mean biodiversity and pollution measures as well as climate change. Trump would dismantle the protections that already exist regarding those and leave "the market" to sort it out, which has shown time and again to only do so when the damage has been done and lives of people and other life have been lost. On climate change itself, China built more renewable energy infrastructure last year than the US has done over all its history. It's easy to look at the Far East with large populations and coal plants but China, at least, are looking at the long game (if only due to self-preservation). A US administration headed by Trump would not, and this requires a unified response.

 

Also, I've never understood the idea that someone else not trying to save the world means you shouldn't try yourself anyway. That only guarantees failure.

 

 

Stick to international agreements regarding it and continue the work on renewable energy infrastructure currently ongoing - which, yes, is better than Trump (even though more needs to be done).

 

She can hardly do more than pledges and support when she's not actually in charge yet.

 

I can't buy into the fatalism that assumes the death, suffering and displacement of hundreds of millions of people (minimum) is a fait accompli.

Btw, without knowing what you do I would take a punt at a role within a global org??? The way you push back to benguin by putting the onus on him and making it defensive by asking him questions strongly hints at global mgt training and is impressive. Make the client sing to your tune no matter what they’re saying. A marked and refreshing change to the largely confrontational and emotional responses to him on here 

[grobyfox1990]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

@grobyfox1990, @Phil Bowman likes my posts - should I be worried?

He’s cheating on me!!! I’ve not got the glow of a Phil bowman emoji for a few days now 😔

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Btw, without knowing what you do I would take a punt at a role within a global org??? The way you push back to benguin by putting the onus on him and making it defensive by asking him questions strongly hints at global mgt training and is impressive. Make the client sing to your tune no matter what they’re saying. A marked and refreshing change to the largely confrontational and emotional responses to him on here 

I'd seriously like to do that tbh, just a question of getting my foot in the door at one of those organisations. 

[grobyfox1990]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'd seriously like to do that tbh, just a question of getting my foot in the door at one of those organisations. 

Deflect, deny, make them defensive and convince them they’re opinion is wrong. That’s the dream!!!! 

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Deflect, deny, make them defensive and convince them they’re opinion is wrong. That’s the dream!!!! 

Ha! The corp world can be cutthroat, can't it?

[urban.spaceman]

3 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

The justification behind that would be her currently being in power surely? 

She's incompetent just by virtue of currently being in power?

[leicsmac]

"On energy, Trump vows to ramp up oil drilling and fracking in the US to increase energy independence and in turn lower energy prices."

 

It needs to be stated again; if people vote for someone embodying this policy, they vote for allowing the world to burn in the short term for the sake of an easier life in the short term. They should at least have the honesty of purpose to admit that lack of consideration for life out of their sight spatially and temporally.

[martyn]

Latest Ann Selzer poll has Harris up by 3 in Iowa. Don't think anyone saw that coming.

[foxes_rule1978]

All for trump to be honest, just fed up with being told what is the right way to think… yet I bloody think trump is a total dick 

[spacemunky]

Kamala's appearance on Saturday Night Live 

[Torquay Gunner]

Yet to see a cogent argument on this tread for Trump to be given a second term. 

[Zear0]

18 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Yet to see a cogent argument on this tread for Trump to be given a second term. 

Not sure it's only applicable to this thread tbf. 

[st albans fox]

23 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Yet to see a cogent argument on this tread for Trump to be given a second term. 

The best one I can think of is that we were all still here at the end of his first one……..

[Zear0]

20 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

The best one I can think of is that we were all still here at the end of his first one……..

People never gave Saville enough credit for all the people he didn't molest. 

Edited 3 November 2024 by Zear0

[st albans fox]

30 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

People never gave Saville enough credit for all the people he didn't molest. 

I didn’t use it as justification- I said it was the best argument 

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj7eex29r3o

 

Rumours, misleading allegations and outright lies about voting and fraud are flooding online spaces in unprecedented numbers in advance of the US election.

Hundreds of incidents involving purported voting irregularities are being collected and spread by individuals, as well as both independent and Republican-affiliated groups. A small number of posts are also coming from Democrats.

The whirlwind of claims spreading online poses a challenge to election officials who are having to debunk rumours and reassure voters, while preparing to administer election day on Tuesday.

In nearly every case, the posts support the Trump campaign’s false claim that the former president won the 2020 election and suggestions that he will potentially be cheated out of victory again on 5 November.

 

...does the 1st Amendment really cover libelling the democratic process and essentially laying the groundwork for another insurrection attempt?

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj7eex29r3o

 

Rumours, misleading allegations and outright lies about voting and fraud are flooding online spaces in unprecedented numbers in advance of the US election.

Hundreds of incidents involving purported voting irregularities are being collected and spread by individuals, as well as both independent and Republican-affiliated groups. A small number of posts are also coming from Democrats.

The whirlwind of claims spreading online poses a challenge to election officials who are having to debunk rumours and reassure voters, while preparing to administer election day on Tuesday.

In nearly every case, the posts support the Trump campaign’s false claim that the former president won the 2020 election and suggestions that he will potentially be cheated out of victory again on 5 November.

 

...does the 1st Amendment really cover libelling the democratic process and essentially laying the groundwork for another insurrection attempt?

Never mind that, I am sick of being told what to think and say.

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

1 hour ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Yet to see a cogent argument on this tread for Trump to be given a second term. 

 

He's one of the best tweeters of all time

[Zear0]

27 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

He's one of the best tweeters of all time

First thing I do when I wake up is check what MTWG has posted on Truth Social. 

[MPH]

19 hours ago, leicsmac said:

"On energy, Trump vows to ramp up oil drilling and fracking in the US to increase energy independence and in turn lower energy prices."

 

It needs to be stated again; if people vote for someone embodying this policy, they vote for allowing the world to burn in the short term for the sake of an easier life in the short term. They should at least have the honesty of purpose to admit that lack of consideration for life out of their sight spatially and temporally.

 

I think, under the umbrella of accepted the change that the future will bring, energy independence is a good thing. The  way Russia has people too scared to go in too hard on sanctions/ punishment because of their dependence on the Russian contribution to the oil market would make energy independence a no brainer.

 

there has to be a way we can safeguard the future and not neglect our duty to our fellow  Europeans ( Ukrainians et all)  for the next 40 years 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

I think, under the umbrella of accepted the change that the future will bring, energy independence is a good thing. The  way Russia has people too scared to go in too hard on sanctions/ punishment because of their dependence on the Russian contribution to the oil market would make energy independence a no brainer.

 

there has to be a way we can safeguard the future and not neglect our duty to our fellow  Europeans ( Ukrainians et all)  for the next 40 years 

Energy independence is fine. Doing it in the way Trump specifies is not, and is neglecting our duty not only to the Europeans for the next 40 years, but to all human beings and the biosphere itself for all future time.

[MPH]

I think it’s a bigger problem allowing the rise of another Hitler style authority.  Whether that’s in  Europe or anywhere else.What future are we preparing for if we allow that?  Energy independence needs to happenn NOW.

Edited 3 November 2024 by MPH

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, MPH said:

I think it’s a bigger problem allowing the rise of another Hitler style authority.  Whether that’s in  Europe or anywhere else.What future are we preparing for if we allow that?  Energy independence needs to happenn NOW.

... bigger than continued contribution to an issue that will at least result in the death, suffering and displacement of hundreds of millions of people and at worst... well, much worse?

 

A more immediate problem? I'd agree there. Bigger? Unless that authority decides nuclear war is on the table (and that becomes a bigger chance as climate change diminishes resources anyway), then I don't think so.

 

Agreed that both problems need to be worked simultaneously, but if you address the shorter term one and in doing so neglect the longer term one, catastrophe will still be inevitable.

[MPH]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

... bigger than continued contribution to an issue that will at least result in the death, suffering and displacement of hundreds of millions of people and at worst... well, much worse?

 

A more immediate problem? I'd agree there. Bigger? Unless that authority decides nuclear war is on the table (and that becomes a bigger chance as climate change diminishes resources anyway), then I don't think so.

 

Agreed that both problems need to be worked simultaneously, but if you address the shorter term one and in doing so neglect the longer term one, catastrophe will still be inevitable.

 So the only thing that is certain is the present . you *think* the future could be catastrophic going down a certain path. But you’re not sure. No one can be. We don’t know how the technicality we have can can change even in the next few years.

 

 

i would put to you that that it could be a greater threat to mankind to make a ‘rogue’ nation so powerful that they think they can take their chances in a nuclear war.  Money and financing them is the biggest obstacle for them doing rhat.