Cooper - OUT

[HighPeakFox]

What surprises me is how many of you seem confident that because you personally believe he should be sacked, that a) everyone will/must agree with you, and that b) the board will act so soon. 

[The Doctor]

16 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Doesn’t this assume the rest of the defensive unit is static in terms of performance levels, rather that the team will improve through familiarity (if nothing else!) over the season?

You would surely expect the levels of cohesion to improve and defensive performances to hopefully go with it.

it does yes, and there's a fair argument that you'd expect the defensive unit to improve given Okoli and even Kristensen to an extent are new to it, but the counter argument is that it's not the defending that's the issue but the passiveness in front of it, the tendency to bunker up. if you cede territory constantly, giving up chances is inevitable, even if you had a defensive unit of Maldini-Cannavaro-Baresi-Lahm.

[Dahnsouff]

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Edited 7 October 2024 by Dahnsouff

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, The Doctor said:

it does yes, and there's a fair argument that you'd expect the defensive unit to improve given Okoli and even Kristensen to an extent are new to it, but the counter argument is that it's not the defending that's the issue but the passiveness in front of it, the tendency to bunker up. if you cede territory constantly, giving up chances is inevitable, even if you had a defensive unit of Maldini-Cannavaro-Baresi-Lahm.

I agree, but to quote (Our Lord and Saviour) Maresca, when the defence plays better, everybody plays better. (Or words less mangled than that, but the concept is clear I hope)

[Dahnsouff]

10 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

What surprises me is how many of you seem confident that because you personally believe he should be sacked, that a) everyone will/must agree with you, and that b) the board will act so soon. 

A rare outing for sardony, Sir?

[SafewayFox]

Just an observation but the divide on here is surely at an all time high.
 

That in itself is surely a red flag about Cooper’s suitability both short and long term at the club.

[Finnegan]

19 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

the board will act so soon. 

 

I have absolutely no idea what's come over anyone that thinks he'll be sacked in this international window. 

 

We just won a game and we're 15th with winnable matches against Southampton and Forest on the horizon. 

 

I desperately want him replaced (and sooner the better, every week he's here he's undoing Maresca's excellent work) but not for one second do I think it's going to happen imminently. 

 

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, SafewayFox said:

Just an observation but the divide on here is surely at an all time high.
 

That in itself is surely a red flag about Cooper’s suitability both short and long term at the club.

 

You weren't here for the Pearson years were you

 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, SafewayFox said:

Just an observation but the divide on here is surely at an all time high.
 

That in itself is surely a red flag about Cooper’s suitability both short and long term at the club.

Surely the nigh on unanimous call for Rodgers to go sends a greater signal?

[KP Fox]

7 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Okay, whatever keeps you warm at night. 

Better to be warm and optimistic then be cold doom and gloom farker. 

 

[SecretPro]

21 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Surely the nigh on unanimous call for Rodgers to go sends a greater signal?

Took a good two years for everyone to get on board with that, sadly. Worked out well eking that one out.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, SecretPro said:

Took a good two years for everyone to get on board with that, sadly. Worked out well eking that one out.

Not convinced if it has been unanimous from day one that anything would have happened to be honest, but guess we will never know now.

[Big_Nige]

13 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Just an observation but the divide on here is surely at an all time high.
 

That in itself is surely a red flag about Cooper’s suitability both short and long term at the club.

It’s football, it’s always been this way. But this is the quickest I’ve seen it happen. 
 

Me personally, I don’t think he’s the right man and I’d be surprised if he’s here come Christmas. There’s too many red flags in team set up, game management and tactical flexibility for me to see anything other than a real struggle every game. It’s just not sustainable having to rely on excellent chance conversion, and excellent keeping game after game. 
 

But if he is still here, then we’re battling and scrapping and getting enough points to hopefully keep our head above water. Getting myself worked up about it won’t manifest Top and the gang taking action

[SecretPro]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Not convinced if it has been unanimous from day one that anything would have happened to be honest, but guess we will never know now.

I think the earlier a crowd gets wholly verbal about it the shorter the lifespan of the manager. Whether it would have made any difference with OUR hierarchy is another matter. 

[daddylonglegs]

11 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

I think the earlier a crowd gets wholly verbal about it the shorter the lifespan of the manager. Whether it would have made any difference with OUR hierarchy is another matter. 

Does the crowd get vocal towards a manager at Leicester? I've not seen them turn unanimously at a home game since being back in the PL in 2014. 

 

Having said that, I was surprised at how angry the crowd were at Cooper's inaction on Saturday. Certainly doesn't point to his shelf life being particularly long.

[SecretPro]

2 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Does the crowd get vocal towards a manager at Leicester? I've not seen them turn unanimously at a home game since being back in the PL in 2014. 

 

Having said that, I was surprised at how angry the crowd were at Cooper's inaction on Saturday. Certainly doesn't point to his shelf life being particularly long.

Leicester City home crowds are generally a bit soft though aren't they. Half of them only go because they've got a season ticket and it's something to do and bring up in conversation.

 

If the same reaction from fans at the Walsall game was enacted at the KP it would certainly be a very toxic.

[The_Rorab]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

What surprises me is how many of you seem confident that because you personally believe he should be sacked, that a) everyone will/must agree with you, and that b) the board will act so soon. 

If I was confident the board would act soon I wouldn't be anywhere nearly as frustrated!

 

Again I'd also reiterate though that there are also people who are posting here believing that Cooper shouldn't currently be sacked confidently asserting everyone should/must agree with them. It's not unique to people who are Cooper out, I think it's just there are more people on that side of the fence.

Edited 7 October 2024 by The_Rorab

[justfoxes]

I remember the time when Martin O’Neill had an awful couple of months couldn’t buy a decent performance or result he then turned us around and made us an amazing squad winning games and taking us to Wembley a few times, unfortunately I can’t see Blooper doing an MON his track record in the PL is awful his tactics team choices are awful he doesn’t actually know who his first 11 really are then playing players that should be nowhere near the team like Soumare who is about as useful as Chocolate tea pot when Blooper Subs him on.

Bloopers games this season other than a couple have been embarrassing to say the least the Walsall game was Appallingly Distressful for the travelling faithful to endure, Blooper hasn’t learnt how to play us the rumours coming from the dressing room if to be believed about the players feel the club has lost its way and identity under blooper the fact they can’t see how his systems work to benefit the players he puts out his late substitutions the wrong substitutions leaving quality players out of the starting 11 it goes on. Yes we actually won our first game on Saturday but how much was that up to Blooper players digging in playing superb tiring around the 60th minute but bloops waits til the 80th to actually think about changing things around, Beunanotte played out of his skin he looked knackered yet bloops ignored it Vards is no 60min player anymore unfortunately but he’s the best striker we currently have.

 

I for one hope the club either come out with the old dreaded confidence speech or they bring in a potter or corberan to boost our squad get them playing decent quality football again, one part of me wants to see Cooper succeed but unfortunately he hasn’t got what it takes to take us any further !!

[Larry_LCFC]

Alan Shearers Manager of the week: Steve Cooper. Words fail me.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 minute ago, Larry_LCFC said:

Alan Shearers Manager of the week: Steve Cooper. Words fail me.

Literally won an award for not failing as expected!

[RoboFox]

2 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said:

Alan Shearers Manager of the week: Steve Cooper. Words fail me.

On today's The Rest Is Football Shearer basically admitted to not watching any of the game, yet put Faes and Buananotte in his team of the week having gone solely on what Lineker had said to them when they were preparing for MoTD. 

 

He'd since seen the game and thought Lineker had stitched him up. 

 

So yeah, it's basically nonsense. 

[The_Rorab]

I think at the end of the day, there's not really a huge amount to be done at this point - the reason I'm drawn to making posts is to vent the frustration caused by the fact that I know Cooper won't be sacked anytime soon. Our board won't do that, and there's definitely a real valid argument to be made that they shouldn't do that with us not currently in a dire position in the table, even though that's not something I agree with as a reason.

 

I think really, that the only real recourse is to just have to hope Cooper learns - that he'll be able to figure out how to get us playing like that first Bournemouth half and not have us just collapse in the second or that we just continue to get lucky all season - as honestly I doubt we get rid unless we're utterly marooned with the glacial pace our board take to do anything.

 

But that's the thing, it's just incredibly frustrating to feel like you know what's coming and yet have absolutely zero control over what you see as, maybe not easily fixable, but fixable errors being made in real time - which is why people are more prone I think to hyperbole and strong sweeping statements about our prospects. Obviously it's more complex than that in reality, but it's hard not to become frustrated by it.

 

So I'm choosing to hold on to the vain hope Dahnsouff offered about maybe the confidence from winning a game, and maybe the break can result in us working on things and maybe hopefully we can come into the next set of fixtures and look less like a car crash over a full 90. I'm a very pessimistic person, so I don't hold a huge amount of hope for it, but that's all I've really got - but unfortunately in the intervening period, and likely after I'm afraid I'm definitely likely to have a moan about things periodically 

 

I don't think shutting people down who have these frustrations is helpful, though I also think that shutting down people who don't think we should get rid of Cooper is helpful either - but we all desperately want us to succeed so it's always gonna provoke heightened frustrations and feelings and cause friction.

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

A rare outing for sardony, Sir?

No, it never ceases to amaze me. 

[HitchinFox]

54 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

Better to be warm and optimistic then be cold doom and gloom farker. 

 

I actually partly agree with this! 

Being an optimist might be seen as naive and passive.

But in some cases (obviously not in matters of life and death) if there is something you have no control over, then you might as well approach it positively. It just means that even if the worst happens, you haven't been dreading it and worrying about it for every second of your life up until it happens. And if the worst doesn't happen, then you can keep being happy and positive!

I was crushed when we appointed Cooper. I didn't want him anywhere near our club. My fears have been realised - we look gash and are lucky to have the points total we have. He hasn't made us "look solid" as some claim. We've somehow defied all odds to not concede more. We've also, somehow, found ways of scoring more goals than we should. None of that will last all season. 

BUT. 

Cooper's here, we're not in the bottom three and the board aren't going to sack him anytime soon. So I'm going to try and enjoy every undeserved point, every lucky goal and every defying-the-odds-and-gravity save that Hermansen makes. 

That doesn't make me pro-Cooper. Just a "I can't sack him so I hope we stay up whoever is in charge, as I'm a City fan". 

 

[Nick]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

You weren't here for the Pearson years were you

 

Or Puel