Cooper - OUT

[funkyrobot]

Expecting Ricardo to come in from the cold, with ZERO minutes in the prem before tonight and then play the inverted role for the first time against an inform local rival with a rapid quality winger was a big stretch and for me reflects badly on how he’s been managed by Cooper. And as such it’s part of why it’s not unreasonable to have this Cooper out thread despite us being on 9 points. It takes players time to get into a season and by not giving him any time before this at premier league level it’s almost as if he set him up to lose. The fact is though , despite being rusty, he still looked way better than Justin, who yet again can be directly blamed for a goal but appears to be undroppable by Cooper. 

[hejammy]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I'm prepared to give him chance. I always knew this season was going to be a struggle.

It's only the people who predicted we'd be relegated by November that seem shocked when we don't win every week

 

It's not that people expect to win every week, it's we expect to be in with a chance, for our players to know the system, for our manager to play our best 11 and motivate the players. All of which he has failed to do. 

[inckley fox]

11 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

And he was one of the players least to blame for those losses. 

Really? He was clearly not PL level from early 2020 to 2022. When he started, we lost way more games than when he didn't. Maybe he was to blame, maybe he wasn't. But for me, when he was fit, he either couldn't get a game, or did, and looked substandard, in a side that got relegated. Look at the highlights.

 

It's a shame, because in his prime he was a wonderful player and injuries held him back. And, yes, at a lower level, in a custom-made role, he excelled. But the idea that Cooper was incompetent because he wouldn't pick him was totally wrong.

 

He was rubbish today, in our worst performance of the season which, coincidentally, was the only one he's started in. It was utterly clear why his last three PL managers have overlooked him. And the obsession over his exclusion is one of the least helpful distractions I've ever known as a fan. At times, it borders on the deranged.

 

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Just interested Webbo as you are normally quite a balanced and decent poster

 

do you think we should persevere with Cooper? 
 

what do you think his qualities are?

 

could we do better with another manager?

Whoever got the job there are people with such a downer on the club that they would be desperate to see fail. We're not in the bottom 3 ,relegation looks far from certain,  why would you sack him

[UniFox21]

Went back to the Enzo system and it now seems absolutely alien to them 

[Pliskin]

5 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I'm prepared to give him chance. I always knew this season was going to be a struggle.

It's only the people who predicted we'd be relegated by November that seem shocked when we don't win every week

 

He’s got tactically out done in about ten minutes….. the second half was embarrassing, and just highlighted how poor a coach he really is 

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, hejammy said:

It's not that people expect to win every week, it's we expect to be in with a chance, for our players to know the system, for our manager to play our best 11 and motivate the players. All of which he has failed to do. 

He played our best 11 tonight according to some, so why aren't you happ

[inckley fox]

2 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Expecting Ricardo to come in from the cold, with ZERO minutes in the prem before tonight and then play the inverted role for the first time against an inform local rival with a rapid quality winger was a big stretch and for me reflects badly on how he’s been managed by Cooper. And as such it’s part of why it’s not unreasonable to have this Cooper out thread despite us being on 9 points. It takes players time to get into a season and by not giving him any time before this at premier league level it’s almost as if he set him up to lose. The fact is though , despite being rusty, he still looked way better than Justin, who yet again can be directly blamed for a goal but appears to be undroppable by Cooper. 

Maybe Ricardo just isn't good enough as a PL right back.

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, UniFox21 said:

Went back to the Enzo system and it now seems absolutely alien to them 

difference is Enzo could coach it well and had them drilled on what to do when teams moved to counter act it, Cooper doesn't understand the system so can't coach it properly 

[hejammy]

Just now, Webbo said:

He played our best 11 tonight according to some, so why aren't you happ

He started with our best 11, we played decent in the first half, some great football. Nuno figured us out and changed their system, Cooper didn't recognise this, didn't do anything about it and then brought on Soumaré. So yeah Cooper out! 

[Gazza M]

I don't think any manager can legislate for such poor defending and mistakes. Faes needs shooting after today. We were in the ascendancy going in to the break. Just to concede so early 2nd half knocked the stuffing out of them. 

[lcfcsnow]

4 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Went back to the Enzo system and it now seems absolutely alien to them 

It had stopped working against Championship teams towards the end of last season

[Voll Blau]

Freaks singing his name at Leicester station. Freaks singing his name at Derby station. He's not even their fvcking manager.

[JimJams]

Ipswich is massive.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, hejammy said:

He started with our best 11, we played decent in the first half, some great football. Nuno figured us out and changed their system, Cooper didn't recognise this, didn't do anything about it and then brought on Soumaré. So yeah Cooper out! 

I knew this would all be blamed on bringing on Soumare, despite the fact that we were already 3-1 down at the time. 

[Nolucklcfc]

I’d love to know what Nuno changed at half time. He doesn’t react to the opposition and this is the problem. That should have been 5/6-1 tonight. And it’s the same in every game we play. We get so lucky not to concede more goals. It isn’t sustainable. He was prickly on RL about this. I don’t see the “right path” he’s on about. The Bournemouth and saints wins were great but they papered over the cracks. Forest looked so well coached and organised. We look the opposite. Still don’t think the players are fully having him. 

[fox_favourite]

Frustration with him tonight isn't with the goals, that's on the players. He didn't know how to manage the system. The players that came on made it worse and killed it. Game management was so poor hence why we can only play for 45. The 1st half was even, and we had Forest rattled. 2nd goal so early was sheer unforgiving. Like I say that's on the players. Difference in the two teams, one changed it, the other didn't know what to do. It was clear which is which. 

[UniFox21]

3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

difference is Enzo could coach it well and had them drilled on what to do when teams moved to counter act it, Cooper doesn't understand the system so can't coach it properly 

 

Just now, lcfcsnow said:

It had stopped working against Championship teams towards the end of last season

It had as they'd say back so much. Forest were attacking us and pressing, yet we were unable to pick a pass at all 

[hejammy]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I knew this would all be blamed on bringing on Soumare, despite the fact that we were already 3-1 down at the time. 

It's not a blame on Soumaré for the loss Ofcourse not, it's the fact that Cooper thought that Soumaré would add anything to bring us back into the game. Has he never seen him play before? At what point of any game for us has he changed the game? 

 

The facts are there that Cooper doesn't have a clue. Mainly the fact that he cannot see when a change needs to happen, Nuno made the change, Cooper either didn't recognise it or didn't know how to combat it. 

Edited 25 October 2024 by hejammy

[Iwebema]

6 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Expecting Ricardo to come in from the cold, with ZERO minutes in the prem before tonight and then play the inverted role for the first time against an inform local rival with a rapid quality winger was a big stretch and for me reflects badly on how he’s been managed by Cooper. And as such it’s part of why it’s not unreasonable to have this Cooper out thread despite us being on 9 points. It takes players time to get into a season and by not giving him any time before this at premier league level it’s almost as if he set him up to lose. The fact is though , despite being rusty, he still looked way better than Justin, who yet again can be directly blamed for a goal but appears to be undroppable by Cooper. 

Great post, it wasn't like he asked ricardo to come in and play his tactics, he came in cold, with no minutes, to play in a system we haven't seen since May! Very odd.

 

Can't argue ricardo wasn't great, but there are reasonable mitigating circumstances that probably offer an explanation. 

 

There is always a chance he may well be finished and it wouldn't be a shock given his injury history, but id need more evidence.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Whoever got the job there are people with such a downer on the club that they would be desperate to see fail. We're not in the bottom 3 ,relegation looks far from certain,  why would you sack him

Was probably the worst choice possible and I get that now we have him give him chance and all that - to be fair rationally we should 

 

however I just don't think he cuts the mustard at this level. His tactics? What are they? Subs? Wrong choices at wrong times of games so far (Southampton aside) 

 

he just seems out of his depth, I would love him to prove me wrong, genuinely love it (humble pie would be eaten for sure) 

 

however I just can't see it, I really can't and for the sake of the club and its long term future I genuinely believe we need to act and act fast

[fox_favourite]

Do you know what, my frustration after every game I'd getting to me. This is all on the incompetent board running the club. I'm becoming numb as it's just the same game after game. The same complaints. We're not moving forward...we've regressed so much. 

[Trent Steel]

1 minute ago, Bob Weasel Fox said:

Was probably the worst choice possible and I get that now we have him give him chance and all that - to be fair rationally we should 

 

however I just don't think he cuts the mustard at this level. His tactics? What are they? Subs? Wrong choices at wrong times of games so far (Southampton aside) 

 

he just seems out of his depth, I would love him to prove me wrong, genuinely love it (humble pie would be eaten for sure) 

 

however I just can't see it, I really can't and for the sake of the club and its long term future I genuinely believe we need to act and act fast

Very well said 

[winteriscoming]

At least with Enzo there was a structure to how we set up and play although completely robotic with no flexibility.

Cooper just seems to throw bits of everything in and hope it works. 
I’m still shocked how negative this guy is. Actually seemed like he’d accepted a 3-1 defeat against a local rival and wanted to get the game done. Disgusting. 
It’s the complete lack of in game management which is going to cost us dearly the longer he’s here. 
Get rid asap. 

[FOXSE]

We have some soft goals away, but forest are obviously a pretty good, well-drilled, side. Game like that will be lost occasionally.

 

Hopefully we bounce back in the next game.