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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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2 hours ago, Daggers said:

It’s not about it being a sacred cow. It’s about logic. If the party is serious about encouraging all onto pension credits that are entitled, thereby boosting their ability to meet fuel bills, then the ensuing saving from scrapping the WFA is all but wiped out. So what is the point?

 

Upset pensioners, upset MPs, incensed party members, and a nonplussed public for no financial or political gain. It’s lunacy.

As a pensioner I was trying to be fair to the government but I do agree on your summary 

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davieG

davieG

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59 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Pensioners will get around £460 increase next year, take off the WFP and basically you're left with diddly squat. Thanks a lot!!

Not all pensioners will get  £460.

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Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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7 hours ago, davieG said:

Not all pensioners will get  £460.

Certainly my parents do not and most of their friends won’t either, think this is some sort of born-before-random-date restriction from what I understand?

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Super_horns

Super_horns

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There maybe are many who can afford to go without but they aren't going to admit that or say ok we won't need it.

I presume we aren't going to see thousands and thousands of elderly people die through this being taken away otherwise surely it wouldn't be considered? 

davieG

davieG

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3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Certainly my parents do not and most of their friends won’t either, think this is some sort of born-before-random-date restriction from what I understand?

I believe 2016 is the date.

 

 

https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/fact-check-state-pension-rose-by-900-for-some-in-april/#:~:text=The April 2024 hike was,of £902.20 per year.

Not all pensioners received the increase from £203.85 per week to £221.20 per week – a rise of £902.20 per year. That was only for those receiving the full new state pension, which is only available for those who reached the state pension age after April 6, 2016.

Those who get the full old-style basic state pension will see  a rise of £691.60 instead. In addition to this not everyone gets the full state pension.

 

davieG

davieG

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4 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

This is a figure the Govt. have quoted.

Well of course it makes them look better.

 

2024

https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/fact-check-state-pension-rose-by-900-for-some-in-april/#:~:text=The April 2024 hike was,of £902.20 per year.

Not all pensioners received the increase from £203.85 per week to £221.20 per week – a rise of £902.20 per year. That was only for those receiving the full new state pension, which is only available for those who reached the state pension age after April 6, 2016.

Those who get the full old-style basic state pension will see  a rise of £691.60 instead. In addition to this not everyone gets the full state pension.

David Hankey

David Hankey

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I see 'Capt. Hindsight' is now saying "the Government did not carry out an impact assessment on cutting winter fuel support for millions of pensioners".

 

The Lib-Dems even state this is "absolutely unthinkable".

 

What a way to introduce a new policy which was not in their manifesto.

 

On the hoof comes to mind.

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izzymuzzet

izzymuzzet

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15 hours ago, davieG said:

Not for all pensioners.

I appreciate that. Still think the broader point about the triple lock making state pensions more generous in comparison to benefits for working age people, including child benefit stands - and will continue to do so as long as the triple lock remains in place. I do agree that there will be pensioners affected by this who will feel it due to where the cutoff point is being drawn, which is not good.

st albans fox

st albans fox

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Removing the WFA from those who simply don’t need it makes perfect sense


to do it the way labour have does concern me regarding what messes they may make of future’ reasonable’ policy decisions …

 

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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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13 hours ago, David Hankey said:

Pensioners will get around £460 increase next year, take off the WFP and basically you're left with diddly squat. Thanks a lot!!

Most pensioners will pay tax on that too.

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David Hankey

David Hankey

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2 hours ago, izzymuzzet said:

I appreciate that. Still think the broader point about the triple lock making state pensions more generous in comparison to benefits for working age people, including child benefit stands - and will continue to do so as long as the triple lock remains in place. I do agree that there will be pensioners affected by this who will feel it due to where the cutoff point is being drawn, which is not good.

The triple lock will be gone within 5 years if not sooner. Mark my words.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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A general observation on this topic:

 

I wonder how many in the press and their readership decrying this act of cruelty towards pensioners were a couple of years ago totally OK with the idea of little to few restrictions regarding controlling the spread of a virus that was rather deadly to the same demographic?

 

I'm thinking perhaps that's rather a lot of hypocrisy to swallow from them.

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Zear0

Zear0

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4 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

In some uplifting news..

 

 

 

Who are you and is the real Wymsey alive and well? 

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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27 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Starmer at Doncaster Races this afternoon for the St Leger.

 

Has he money to gamble?

At least he has a chance of getting more back for us than he lays out …:: unlike the previous administration with their covid mates lanes (and other schemes) 

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Blueman1967

Blueman1967

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They put all the people in jail, because of the riots, when they say they had room to put them in, then you have the jails are full, then they decide early release for 2,000 prisoners, then wonder why people are reoffending.

Daggers

Daggers

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12 minutes ago, Blueman1967 said:

They put all the people in jail, because of the riots, when they say they had room to put them in, then you have the jails are full, then they decide early release for 2,000 prisoners, then wonder why people are reoffending.

People don't stop offending because they went to prison or the threat of going to prison. People stop offending because they are given the tools to make a better life.

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Otis

Otis

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3 minutes ago, Daggers said:

People don't stop offending because they went to prison or the threat of going to prison. People stop offending because they are given the tools to make a better life.

I think you'll find some certainly don't want to go back inside. 

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