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Lionator

Lionator

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3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

He is not going to be arrested.  The countries that have the chance won't and the countries that would won't have the chance.

Everyone knows why because it would be stupid. Once Netanyahu gets his ICC charge, do you think European countries signed up to the ICC will be arresting him? No chance. Geopolitics is immoral and hypocritical, moralistic puritan approaches will never work as Kissinger (ghoul) very well knew 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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14 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Everyone knows why because it would be stupid. Once Netanyahu gets his ICC charge, do you think European countries signed up to the ICC will be arresting him? No chance. Geopolitics is immoral and hypocritical, moralistic puritan approaches will never work as Kissinger (ghoul) very well knew 

Immoral, hypocritical, puerile and indicative of minds no better than the apes humans evolved from. In fact it's worse - at least when they fvck with each other, it's for reasons that are mostly honest and survival based.

 

The worst thing about it, of course, is that long term it leads to only one logical outcome.

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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59 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Everyone knows why because it would be stupid. Once Netanyahu gets his ICC charge, do you think European countries signed up to the ICC will be arresting him? No chance. Geopolitics is immoral and hypocritical, moralistic puritan approaches will never work as Kissinger (ghoul) very well knew 

You think that’s a certainty then ?  there’s still no warrant issued by the court because there’s so much politics and legal argument wrapped around this. 

Wymsey

Wymsey

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The Grenfell Tower disaster findings are set to be published publicly very soon.

 

'Dishonesty and incompetence': Seven takeaways from the report

published at 11:01 British Summer Time

11:01 BST

Breaking

Manufacturers of cladding products – which were “by far the largest contributor” to the fire – were found to have engaged in “systematic dishonesty”, and used “deliberate and sustained strategies” to make their products appear safe

Arconic, the company which made the cladding panels on the tower’s exterior, are found to have “deliberately concealed” the safety risk; two firms which produced insulation - Celotex and Kingspan - were found to have “misled”

“Incompetent” companies involved in the 2011 refurbishment of the tower – Studio E and Harley Facades – are found to bear “significant” responsibility for the disaster, while project manager Rydon’s oversight of the work led to a culture of “buck-passing”

“Many opportunities” to address the risks posed by flammable cladding were missed by governments from the early 1990s onwards, culminating in “decades of failure”

The 2010 Conservative-Liberal Democrat government is strongly criticised for its focus on cutting regulation, which led to safety matters being “ignored, delayed or disregarded”

Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea council and its social housing arm, the Tenant Management Organisation, had a “persistent indifference to fire safety, particularly the safety of vulnerable people”

London Fire Brigade lacked a strategy to evacuate the building once they had lost control, and had an “unfounded assumption” the type of blaze which occurred at Grenfell Tower could not happen

 

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David Hankey

David Hankey

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And what lessons will be learnt? Cladding manufacturers will still try and get away with supplying inferior products and not admitting any liability.

 

 

Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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13 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

And what lessons will be learnt? Cladding manufacturers will still try and get away with supplying inferior products and not admitting any liability.

 

 

If this is not corporate manslaughter, then I am not sure what is. 

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Immoral, hypocritical, puerile and indicative of minds no better than the apes humans evolved from. In fact it's worse - at least when they fvck with each other, it's for reasons that are mostly honest and survival based.

 

The worst thing about it, of course, is that long term it leads to only one logical outcome.

"The stretched twig of peace is at melting point."

 

 

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Lionator

Lionator

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3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

You think that’s a certainty then ?  there’s still no warrant issued by the court because there’s so much politics and legal argument wrapped around this. 

I’d hope so but I know that would cause division. Maybe it will happen once the Israeli population throw him out on his ear. 

David Hankey

David Hankey

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The Grenfell families, those that survived, say they were "failed by dishonesty" and they were.

 

Exactly the same with the Blood Scandal and the Post Office Scandal.

 

Will we ever learn?

Wymsey

Wymsey

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1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

Just seen this -unbelievable tbh, the timing aswell

Am sure, looking at the photo in the link, that the whole building hasn't been maintained for a while..

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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Living in high rise flats/apartments is a bad idea in general. Humans might be social beings, but we also need our space.

 

But whilst there's money to be made cramming as many as people into as small a footprint as possible, then all is well and good.

 

Conversely, cramming as many people as possible on to small boats... No, no, no... very bad. If only there were some way to make a profit from it... cut out the middleman/people-smuggler.

 

Forget Rwanda: just broadcast the images of fires in crowded buildings; of people being crushed or drowned in overcrowded boats; of British town and city centres; of A+E on a Fri/Sat night, to the populace of Africa and you'd do far more to stop illegal immigration than any crackpot deportation deal.

foxy boxing

foxy boxing

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6 hours ago, Wymsey said:

The Grenfell Tower disaster findings are set to be published publicly very soon.

 

'Dishonesty and incompetence': Seven takeaways from the report

published at 11:01 British Summer Time

11:01 BST

Breaking

Manufacturers of cladding products – which were “by far the largest contributor” to the fire – were found to have engaged in “systematic dishonesty”, and used “deliberate and sustained strategies” to make their products appear safe

Arconic, the company which made the cladding panels on the tower’s exterior, are found to have “deliberately concealed” the safety risk; two firms which produced insulation - Celotex and Kingspan - were found to have “misled”

“Incompetent” companies involved in the 2011 refurbishment of the tower – Studio E and Harley Facades – are found to bear “significant” responsibility for the disaster, while project manager Rydon’s oversight of the work led to a culture of “buck-passing”

“Many opportunities” to address the risks posed by flammable cladding were missed by governments from the early 1990s onwards, culminating in “decades of failure”

The 2010 Conservative-Liberal Democrat government is strongly criticised for its focus on cutting regulation, which led to safety matters being “ignored, delayed or disregarded”

Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea council and its social housing arm, the Tenant Management Organisation, had a “persistent indifference to fire safety, particularly the safety of vulnerable people”

London Fire Brigade lacked a strategy to evacuate the building once they had lost control, and had an “unfounded assumption” the type of blaze which occurred at Grenfell Tower could not happen

 

No one gave a damn, not the contractors, not the people who owned the building and not the government because of the the people that lived there didn't have a voice and nobody listened to them. Social genocide!.

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

Jeremy Kyle is in court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cqjlxzqegy9t

 

Whilst Kyle is a scum journalist of the worst kind (and I speak as a former journalist) whom I'd happily see banged up, there's no way he's going to be convicted here.

 

This is ultimately a parody of (spoiler alert) An Inspector Calls, where a broad range of people are equally in part guilty of this terrible situation.

 

And by terrible situation, I mean The Jeremy Kyle Show.

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