Jeremy Monga

[ceebeefox]

5 hours ago, ian__marshall said:

Could the club not offer him some form of loyalty contract outside of professional terms? For instance if he makes a 1st team appearance we pay him a one off fee of say £5m.

 

Surely if these players are as good as we think, this would be worth the fee and would dangle the carrot for them to stay and sign professional terms. It would also give the player security that they have a bargaining position in the event a Liverpool or Man City come along, as that'd set the bar for his signing on fee. It'd also act as a deterrent for suitors if they know they have to pay him £5m, plus an unknown fee to be set by a tribunal which could be anywhere between £3-5m, and also his wages on top. Furthermore, I imagine it'd stop these clubs approaching players on the off chance that they might turn into the next superstar, as it'd be a sizeable financial commitment for them on an unknown. 

 

I genuinely think there's more chance that the likes of Nyoni and Monga end up like Taveres, than they do becoming established PL players like Chilwell and Barnes. 

 

Saw it with a young lad who signed for Man City about 14 years ago. Was apparently the next big thing, signed a £1m contract at a young age, and got swallowed up by the system. Don't think he made a PL appearance, ended up in lower league football, and retired early. Don't get me wrong, he's very wealthy now and actually more successful than he was as a pro footballer, but it goes to show that unless you're literally on the levels of or better than a 1st team player at Man City, more than likely you'll slip through the cracks. 

Pay his Dad 70k to cut the grass? No more corrupt than Chelsea selling hotels etc.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, ceebeefox said:

Pay his Dad 70k to cut the grass? No more corrupt than Chelsea selling hotels etc.

Per week? 
Otherwise not sure £1500/week will make any difference! 

[Strokes]

17 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

Er isn’t the training ground a bit lovely? 

Yeah I think Man City’s is a shithole, what the hell is he thinking? 😂 

[ceebeefox]

17 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Per week? 
Otherwise not sure £1500/week will make any difference! 

I was exaggerating! But a lot a week! 

[Royston.]

11 hours ago, VintageFox73 said:

This reminds me of when wenger  wanted Hamza at Arsenal , at a similar age ( i know his dad ) . They offered stupid Money, a stupid signing on fee relocation and a house  for the whole family . Barcelona also wanted him believe it or not .

Hamza and his dad looked at the bigger picture and saw were his development was better off and for a while it was .

Iv never seen Monga play  but this just stinks of greed probably from his parents who are advising him if its true...If hes as good as people say he will get the big move in a few seasons like Jude B Did but prove hes got first surly . Man city could Ruin Him 

He is 15 right. No matter how good he looks at the level he is playing at i am 99% sure he isnt ready for professional football.

 

I dont believe he or his parents/agent think he will ever play for Man city first team in a meaningful match but going there and playing reserve football has to be a million times better than staying here and doing the same.

 

I'd have thought at his age it would be more beneficial to go Bayern etc.

[Product of 84]

I think he has a better pathway to becoming an established footballer with us than Man City. We've plenty of examples of youth getting into our 1st team. 

 

Again, I think the rules here stink. Whoever pinches a youth player at whatever level should have to compensate twice. Once when they steal them away and once again when they are sold on. 

 

With compensation in mind perhaps we should give him minutes, so if we lose him we can say he has played in the Premier League in any negotiations/tribunal. 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

I think he has a better pathway to becoming an established footballer with us than Man City. We've plenty of examples of youth getting into our 1st team. 

 

Again, I think the rules here stink. Whoever pinches a youth player at whatever level should have to compensate twice. Once when they steal them away and once again when they are sold on. 

 

With compensation in mind perhaps we should give him minutes, so if we lose him we can say he has played in the Premier League in any negotiations/tribunal. 

 

 

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[slymunn]

4 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

I think he has a better pathway to becoming an established footballer with us than Man City. We've plenty of examples of youth getting into our 1st team. 

 

Again, I think the rules here stink. Whoever pinches a youth player at whatever level should have to compensate twice. Once when they steal them away and once again when they are sold on. 

 

With compensation in mind perhaps we should give him minutes, so if we lose him we can say he has played in the Premier League in any negotiations/tribunal. 

 

 

Man city have more examples of players in the first team, and becoming premier league players than we do. Most league matches they have academy players playing. Against Liverpool they used 3 and they had 4 academy players start in the FA Cup last week.

 

This doesn't include the ones they sell like Palmer, Trafford, Harwood Bellis, Doyle who have all left in the last two years.

[Sly]

6 minutes ago, slymunn said:

Man city have more examples of players in the first team, and becoming premier league players than we do. Most league matches they have academy players playing. Against Liverpool they used 3 and they had 4 academy players start in the FA Cup last week.

 

This doesn't include the ones they sell like Palmer, Trafford, Harwood Bellis, Doyle who have all left in the last two years.

Difference is they get elite players joining them as well. So they will have a higher calibre youth player. 

[Lambert09]

11 minutes ago, slymunn said:

Man city have more examples of players in the first team, and becoming premier league players than we do. Most league matches they have academy players playing. Against Liverpool they used 3 and they had 4 academy players start in the FA Cup last week.

 

This doesn't include the ones they sell like Palmer, Trafford, Harwood Bellis, Doyle who have all left in the last two years.

Yeah it’s easy when you take all the England youth internationals though isn’t it. We’ve had roughly one who played through the age groups (chillwell) and he was fast tracked into the team after one loan. 
 

Without being disrespectful our academy options are not of the same pedigree or they wouldn’t be here. We’ve got to get a little more luck with ours.  Man city aren’t looking over their shoulders at anyone. 
 

we get a kdh they get a palmer… one is worth throwing in before their ready because they have a top level talent the other, needs nurturing before being thrown in. 

Edited 7 March by Lambert09

[slymunn]

8 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Yeah it’s easy when you take all the England youth internationals though isn’t it. We’ve had roughly one who played through the age groups (chillwell) and he was fast tracked into the team after one loan. 
 

Without being disrespectful our academy options are not of the same pedigree or they wouldn’t be here. We’ve got to get a little more luck with ours.  Man city aren’t looking over their shoulders at anyone. 
 

we get a kdh they get a palmer… one is worth throwing in before their ready because they have a top level talent the other, needs nurturing before being thrown in. 

I completely understand. The point was more around saying Leicester give the acdemy youth more of a chance than Man City, when it's not really the case.

[slymunn]

12 minutes ago, Sly said:

Difference is they get elite players joining them as well. So they will have a higher calibre youth player. 

That's true. The standard of the first 11 is also higher than ours, but they do use more youth players than we do.

[trooky]

9 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Yeah it’s easy when you take all the England youth internationals though isn’t it. We’ve had roughly one who played through the age groups (chillwell) and he was fast tracked into the team after one loan. 
 

Without being disrespectful our academy options are not of the same pedigree or they wouldn’t be here. We’ve got to get a little more luck with ours.  Man city aren’t looking over their shoulders at anyone. 
 

we get a kdh they get a palmer… one is worth throwing in before their ready because they have a top level talent the other, needs nurturing before being thrown in. 

McAtee, Lewis, Foden and O'Reilly have all been there since 6 though.

 

Man City keep recruiting and coaching each age group to increase the level of that age group to produce their stars. 

 

It's incredible for these talents to survive that long in that environment to become first team players. 

[DezFox]

12 hours ago, murphy said:

One thing this isn't is 'fair play'. 

 

If the vultures are allowed to pick the best talents from smaller clubs (again) for virtually nothing, then what is the point? 

 

I don't care what he wants, he is our player and the rules need changing to stop this kind of daylight robbery. 

 

To say he has no pathway is ridiculous.  You could almost list a full eleven of players that have come through the academy in recent years. 

Define recent years? wake up, we are not the club we were. I am not talking about 5 years ago. There is no pathway to the first time currently at all. Even in the championship we simply didn’t give them a chance.
 

This is football, we do it to smaller teams and now we are having it don’t again to us. Dem the rules. 

[Parker Pen]

How many more youth players than us do they buy and chuck on the slag heap to achieve a Phil Foden? It would be nice if he his parents and agent decided to stay and become the next Heskey! He will become wealthy anyway even if he slums it at Seagrave.

[Pita]

7 minutes ago, Parker Pen said:

How many more youth players than us do they buy and chuck on the slag heap to achieve a Phil Foden? It would be nice if he his parents and agent decided to stay and become the next Heskey! He will become wealthy anyway even if he slums it at Seagrave.

Is it just money he wants. Winning trophies is probably what he wants. Won’t get them here

[slymunn]

7 minutes ago, Parker Pen said:

How many more youth players than us do they buy and chuck on the slag heap to achieve a Phil Foden? It would be nice if he his parents and agent decided to stay and become the next Heskey! He will become wealthy anyway even if he slums it at Seagrave.

All clubs have hundreds of youths that don't make it, compared to first team regulars.

 

Heskeys sons are both at Man City too.  But they just have a better set up and pathway, so I do understand why they would want to he there.

[Ric Flair]

21 minutes ago, Parker Pen said:

How many more youth players than us do they buy and chuck on the slag heap to achieve a Phil Foden? It would be nice if he his parents and agent decided to stay and become the next Heskey! He will become wealthy anyway even if he slums it at Seagrave.

I mean Man City have given 4-5 new academy players 1st team minutes this season vs us who's given Chris Popov a few minutes. That's before we get on to academy players as bit more established where we've been just as atrocious. Will never ever forget Cooper favouring Hamza Choudhury in the 10 role and 3 defensive midfielders chosen vs Palermo over giving Will Alves a chance in pre-season.

[Royston.]

1 hour ago, Product of 84 said:

I think he has a better pathway to becoming an established footballer with us than Man City. We've plenty of examples of shite getting into our 1st team. 

 

Again, I think the rules here stink. Whoever pinches a youth player at whatever level should have to compensate twice. Once when they steal them away and once again when they are sold on. 

 

With compensation in mind perhaps we should give him minutes, so if we lose him we can say he has played in the Premier League in any negotiations/tribunal. 

 

 

 

[trooky]

34 minutes ago, Parker Pen said:

How many more youth players than us do they buy and chuck on the slag heap to achieve a Phil Foden? It would be nice if he his parents and agent decided to stay and become the next Heskey! He will become wealthy anyway even if he slums it at Seagrave.

The next Heskey is also at Man City academy😂

[TeamRocket]

26 minutes ago, trooky said:

The next Heskey is also at Man City academy😂

Love it!

[TeamRocket]

Honestly, if we ain't using our academy players they may as well go somewhere else. Would love us to use more of our academy players and have more break in to our 1st team. I'll rather watch a few academy players in the cup games(even in league games) and lose then watch our 1st team players in cup game and do nothing but watch the sky and wonder how they lost. 

[murphy]

2 hours ago, DezFox said:

Define recent years? wake up, we are not the club we were. I am not talking about 5 years ago. There is no pathway to the first time currently at all. Even in the championship we simply didn’t give them a chance.
 

This is football, we do it to smaller teams and now we are having it don’t again to us. Dem the rules. 

By recent years, I mean the last PL era for 2014 to now.  In roughly ten years we have had Chilwell, Barnes, Thomas, Choudhury,  and KDH come through.  Alves and Braybrooke have been set back by injury otherwise they would likely be further advanced.  Alves is now starting to make a name for himself already at Cardiff.  Add to that Nelson, McAteer and Stolarcyk coming through and your assertion that there is no pathway for our youth players is demonstrably wrong.  

[murphy]

Does anybody know if there is any limit to the number of youth players a club can have, such as the 25 man first team squad limit?

 

I mean can the biggest clubs just asset strip others with impunity and stack up the best youth players in the country?

 

 

[LCFCJohn]

8 hours ago, DezFox said:

Define recent years? wake up, we are not the club we were. I am not talking about 5 years ago. There is no pathway to the first time currently at all. Even in the championship we simply didn’t give them a chance.
 

This is football, we do it to smaller teams and now we are having it don’t again to us. Dem the rules. 

Maresca tried a bit but still not enough for me. I realise that he has factors like Alves having had his untimely injury and he wasn’t really back enough to be a viable option. I think he could have used Nelson more but he stuck rigidly to his Vestergaard/Faes love in.

 

Fitness and injury pending, for me, Nelson and Alves have to be pivotal to the side next season, they just have to be. They are the two that are most established. I see them as first 11.

 

I thought Braybrooke as well but his loan was just a complete waste of time and he didn’t even get to go out again which I think he could have done based on Cover going to Fleetwood after being at Port Vale.

 

Then you really are talking the proper kids, Monga (if still here), Evans etc. You have to sensible with them but they need regular minutes off the bench with a view to being integrated as starters as we go through the season if they are good enough.