Forest post match 3-1 loss

[fox_favourite]

4 minutes ago, Phenom said:

Isn’t that supposed to be Cooper’s strength?

If it is, I'm yet to see any evidence of this. And if true. Wow!

[trabuch]

3 minutes ago, shen said:

Right. So Vestergaard getting shunted, what's the simplest explanation here?

BDR and Ayew jumping in front of the queue, despite Fatawu and Mavididi performing better in virtually every appearance? 

Buonanotte being in and out despite being our top scorer and most dangerous player?

 

It's obvious that he has preferences and maybe even has personal issues with some of the players. I don't buy that it's down to training. We've countless examples of players being 'poor', 'uncommitted' or even absent from training and still delivering the goods during match days.

 

Ricardo, Mavididi, Fatawu and Vestergaard all have to earn some respect from Cooper by virtue of their pedigree and, truthfully, their performance levels too.

Yes. I think it's quite unlikely (and admittedly this is conjecture based on what I've seen on the pitch) that Soumare is impressive in training. Our "promising" academy products must be utter shite (they're not)

[Webbo]

Just now, The Doctor said:

training and match fit are two very different things, don't be disingenuous 

So we should play players who aren't first choice so that they're fit when the first choice aren't available? Won't that mean that the first choice player wouldn't be fit?

[fox_favourite]

Jordan Ayew was utterly useless today.

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

So we should play players who aren't first choice so that they're fit when the first choice aren't available? Won't that mean that the first choice player wouldn't be fit?

Lay off the tins lad

[The Doctor]

Just now, Webbo said:

So we should play players who aren't first choice so that they're fit when the first choice aren't available? Won't that mean that the first choice player wouldn't be fit?

we should use our bench each game and ensure that the players we view as back ups are sufficiently match fit from 20-30 minutes in some games to then start when needed. this is obvious and playing the fool doesn't suit you 

[Samilktray]

Just now, Webbo said:

So we should play players who aren't first choice so that they're fit when the first choice aren't available? Won't that mean that the first choice player wouldn't be fit?

Think it might be bed time for me because reading his has fried my brain 

 

[Webbo]

Just now, moore_94 said:

Lay off the tins lad

You've not got a proper argument,  have you?

[splinterdream]

13 minutes ago, Analysethis said:

That must of been one hell of a team talk LOL.

 

Before I get battered, I want Cooper Out. Im sure he is a good man but its not the right fit for us. The fans arent with him, "his" signings have largely been shockers and players we would have bought maybe if we were a mid-table Championship club apart from Okoli and a great loan signing in Buonanotte are here, but I am uncomfortable even with this signing if we have no Buy option. I hope we dont become that club that has to get loans in as a Prem club FFS!! Anyway, I digress..

 

Now the "but". We got the attacking team selection most wanted by formation and players. Its a shame it didnt work as Ndidi carried on playing as an attacking midfielder too which left us woefully short in midfield. The first half we did well and gave as good as we got, but two attempts to clear by Buona and JJ were schoolboy basics attempts for their 1st, Winks giving the ball away for the 2nd, Faes/Mads all over the shop for the third. These are individual errors that you would hope to the 3 in 6 months not in one half of football. That isn't Coopers fault. I cant believe how flat we were, even our fans. We were out-sung from the get-go and really didnt get behind the lads to be honest. Maybe thats Cooper, maybe thats us anyway.

 

I think its best Cooper leaves and we get someone a bit more tactical, a bit more forward thinking and someone who we will get behind from the get-go.

yep, couldnt hear any leicester fans on the TV, only forest, the whole game 

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

we should use our bench each game and ensure that the players we view as back ups are sufficiently match fit from 20-30 minutes in some games to then start when needed. this is obvious and playing the fool doesn't suit you 

We're only allowed 5 subs, how do you keep a 25 man squad fit?

[The Doctor]

Just now, Webbo said:

We're only allowed 5 subs, how do you keep a 25 man squad fit?

by using all 5 subs, rotating the squad and who comes on, and, importantly, not leaving it until the 89th minute to start making subs 

[moore_94]

Just now, Webbo said:

You've not got a proper argument,  have you?

I can only assume you have zero idea what words like squad management or match fitness mean or how either of them work or why they are important

[Parafox]

8 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Jordan Ayew was utterly useless today.

 

Today?????

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

I can only assume you have zero idea what words like squad management or match fitness mean or how either of them work or why they are important

Well I've read on here tonight that bringing on Soumare and Ayew was a disaster but now I find out it was squad management.  When we were 2 nil down last week we should have brought on a right back to boost his fitness? 

Come on, this is all bollox,  it's just a childish rant because Ricardo had a crap game.

[splinterdream]

8 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Jordan Ayew was utterly useless today.

hes only good as a lump if we're ahead and trying to waste time, using him when we're chasing a game is a sackable offense, i know last wk bt that was a fluke

[Tuna]

10 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Jordan Ayew was utterly useless today.

Looked every inch the player we were warned about, appreciate difficult to come on but hardly a game change is he?

 

That 4 mill should have gone toward a decent full back.

[Chrysalis]

34 minutes ago, hejammy said:

But he isn't. Not much went down Ricardos side today, I believe JJ was indirectly or directly involved in all 3 goals conceded. 

Sorry need to call this one out, the first goal conceded happened in the period of play after Ricardo lost possession, I will also add it was an unforced error as he wasnt even under pressure.

 

The first goal has been really interesting, as despite Ricardo being at fault many people blamed JJ anyway.

 

A few have admitted they did see it after I pointed out Ricardo's mistake but they let it go, I expect people are watching JJ like a hawk every game now as well.

Edited 25 October 2024 by Chrysalis

[Parafox]

And that, people, is what "a shambles" really looks like.

 

Get him out. The worst manager in my memory and considering we had that fool, Ian Holloway, that's saying something.

[Fear Of The Fox]

First of all, we're not going down because there are teams equally or worse than us. This isn't though the issue to focus on right now. The problem is since the beginning of the season this nonsense appointment of someone who declared himself a football manager. Alright then, I identify myself also as an elite football manager, why don't you hire me Top? 

Secondly, I don't expect good defending in football nowadays. The majority of the defenders worldwide are brainless with very low intelligence and football IQ. Even Bayern has 4 or them who are absolute frauds. What I do expect though is a manager that knows about this and deploys certain tactics to mitigate these issues. In the contrary we have another brain dead individual who is earning millions to do absolutely NOTHING tactically. 

I don't mind losing to the "Heroin" team, I just want a passionate manager who knows about football. 

Sack him now and he can go back cleaning the ships of Marinakis. 

[J. James]

6 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

hes only good as a lump if we're ahead and trying to waste time, using him when we're chasing a game is a sackable offense, i know last wk bt that was a fluke

Unbelievable!! 🤣🤣

[moore_94]

6 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Sorry need to call this one out, the first goal conceded happened in the period of play after Ricardo lost possession, I will also add it was an unforced error as he wasnt even under pressure.

 

The first goal has been really interesting, as despite Ricardo being at fault many people blamed JJ anyway.

 

This misjudgement tells me one of three things.

 

1 - You either watching JJ like a hawk to have an excuse to moan about him.

2 - You only considering the latest player involved before thr goal goes in.  Ignoring all the play before it.

3 - You did notice Ricardo's mistake but let it go because you like him.

For me it is mainly Facundo that is at fault for the first goal rather than JJ or Ricardo

 

He had plenty of time and space to smash the ball clear and end that period of play and pressure

Edited 25 October 2024 by moore_94

[funkyrobot]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well I've read on here tonight that bringing on Soumare and Ayew was a disaster but now I find out it was squad management.  When we were 2 nil down last week we should have brought on a right back to boost his fitness? 

Come on, this is all bollox,  it's just a childish rant because Ricardo had a crap game.

Ricardo was by no means the worst player on that pitch today but if you seriously expect a player to come in from the cold that’s evidently not trusted by the manager and so won’t have great confidence, who will have minimal match fitness, who is then asked to play a key role in a new system (employing an inverted fullback with a number 10 wasn’t how Enzo set up) against a rapid in form Forest team in the PL and somehow think it’s reasonable management of a player then I can only assume you’re a mate of Stevie C. Ricardo’s rustiness tonight was a result of Cooper’s management of him and the tactics that the struggling manager deployed during the game. 

[J. James]

6 minutes ago, Parafox said:

And that, people, is what "a shambles" really looks like.

 

Get him out. The worst manager in my memory and considering we had that fool, Ian Holloway, that's saying something.

Yep, a shambles, the very team that the majority of the Cooperout simpletons were screaming for!

And it was useless!

 

And if you lot had been picking the team instead of "the worst manager"?

 

We'd be bottom with no points.

 

I'll take Cooper over armchair experts any day of the week.

[Skidmark]

My thoughts. 

 

How anyone can believe that first half performance was good is disgusting. It was erratic. Players shanking the ball all over the shop, into each other and absolutely no composure. It was almost as if Cooper sent them out so hyped up and full of Red Bull that they couldn't see straight. Even Vardy shamed the ball into JJ at some point and it nearly flew back for a corner. 

 

Individual errors all over the pitch, misplaced passes, bad touches. It was men against boys out there today. Forest were great, doubled up on Fatawu constantly and someone followed Bounanotte around the pitch. Tactical masterclass. 

 

Ricardo - You should all be pretty ashamed that you've been calling for him. He looked unfit and had no clue where he was playing, playing Maresca ball when all he needed to do was stick to Right Back. Cooper should have ignored the calls and been strong and played him in the cup next week. Felt harsh on Kristansen.

 

Cowardly performance in the face of a well-organised, much physically more imposing team. Fair play to Forest. 

[Wink84]

1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

Essentially the manager actually thought it's possible to play the Enzo system on a part time basis. 

 

 

Imagine switching to that system at half time having not played it. 

 

There's a reason Enzo played it full time without compromising. It's because you can just switch it on ffs. 

 

Absolute mug 

I agree, but it's been like that all season not just this game too.