World Cups of a Bygone Age (or ones you remember the most)

[davieG]

Bygone - yeah before my time before anyone says.

 

I believe the FA decided against entering as they thought we were too good and the competition wouldn't last or was it because the idea came from a French man 

 

Not sure this is all true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CosbehFox]

Yeah the 30 (and 34) World Cup's are incredible. 1950 as well given the post war stuff. 

 

The stories about Yugoslavia in 1930 are superb. It's also where the ultra stuff all orginates too. 

[Izzy]

Spain 82 was the first WC I remember and I was in awe  of that Brazil team.

Mexico 86 with the hand of God and all that still hurts.

Italia 90 was probably my favourite. We really should have won that.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

The mystique that Italia '90 garnered has always bewildered me. Its only redeeming features really being Nessun Dorma, Toto Schillaci, Gazza crying and Roger Milla. The football was, by-and-large, awful. England stumbled their way through and only really played well for about an hour of the W Germany semi-final. It has the lowest goals-per-game of any World Cup. And the final was hideously unwatchable.

[boots60]

Brazil 1970, The greatest football team of all time

 

Felix; Carlos Alberto, Brito, Wilson Piazza, Everaldo; Clodoaldo, Gerson; Jairzinho, Pele, Rivellino; Tostao.

[CosbehFox]

38 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

The mystique that Italia '90 garnered has always bewildered me. Its only redeeming features really being Nessun Dorma, Toto Schillaci, Gazza crying and Roger Milla. The football was, by-and-large, awful. England stumbled their way through and only really played well for about an hour of the W Germany semi-final. It has the lowest goals-per-game of any World Cup. And the final was hideously unwatchable.

It's more symbolic though - and it's largely idolised by people far too young to actually watch the games. 

 

It was the last World Cup with West Germany, Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia. Romania were coming out of communism. Throw in unknown teams actually getting positive results for the first time. Alongside a load of football stadiums which looked like spaceships. 

 

Geopolitical the shift was massive. 

 

The growing pains of being a commercial World Cup also present. 

 

There's a cracking podcast series on it called Vincera for anyone. 

 

Personally think the World Cup of 90s are seismic when it comes to how the sport has progressed. 

[bovril]

1994 was great. Round of 16 and 1/4 finals probably the best I can remember. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

Personally think the World Cup of 90s are seismic when it comes to how the sport has progressed. 

Culturally and economically, I wouldn't disagree. Italia '90's popularity certainly helped usher in the Premier League and the economic boom in football. And I think World Cups that are held in Europe tend to capture our imagination more because there's little time difference, and we can all watch the games here at sensible hours. But as for the actual product on the pitch, I just remember that the football was cagey and negative. It's no surprise that it was the last WC before the amendment of the offside rule and the implementation of the back pass rule.

 

 

 

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[SouthStandUpperTier]

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Edited 22 November 2024 by SouthStandUpperTier

[Izzy]

2 hours ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

The mystique that Italia '90 garnered has always bewildered me. Its only redeeming features really being Nessun Dorma, Toto Schillaci, Gazza crying and Roger Milla. The football was, by-and-large, awful. England stumbled their way through and only really played well for about an hour of the W Germany semi-final. It has the lowest goals-per-game of any World Cup. And the final was hideously unwatchable.

I think a lot of it is down to how old you were and where you were at the time of each WC.

 

For me, I was 17 during Italia 90 and on holiday in Mallorca watching all the games in English bars and having the time of my life.

 

I just think the way England kept scraping through with Platt's goal v Belgium and Lineker's pen v Cameroon felt like it was our time.

 

Agree the final was shite but as Bobby Robson said "I'm not saying we would have won the WC if we'd got to the final, but my house would have been on it"

 

Edited 22 November 2024 by Izzy

[CosbehFox]

8 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Culturally and economically, I wouldn't disagree. Italia '90's popularity certainly helped usher in the Premier League and the economic boom in football. And I think World Cups that are held in Europe tend to capture our imagination more because there's little time difference, and we can all watch the games here at sensible hours. But as for the actual product on the pitch, I just remember that the football was cagey and negative. It's no surprise that it was the last WC before the amendment of the offside rule and the implementation of the back pass rule.

 

 

 

Yeah the football wasn’t pretty. England in 1990 were very England at the last euros 

[Super_horns]

1966 was a good one I heard?

 

 

The finals of 1950 and 1954 caused big surprises at the time.

 

My first one was 1994 - remember sneakily staying up for the Ireland v Italy game.

 

The final probably left everyone falling asleep.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Hands up who had this on VHS back in the day?  

 

 

[Footballwipe]

44 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I think a lot of it is down to how old you were and where you were at the time of each WC.

 

For me, I was 17 during Italia 90 and on holiday in Mallorca watching all the games in English bars and having the time of my life.

 

I just think the way England kept scraping through with Platt's goal v Belgium and Lineker's pen v Cameroon felt like it was our time.

 

Agree the final was shite but as Bobby Robson said "I'm not saying we would have won the WC if we'd got to the final, but my house would have been on it"

 

Bang on. 98, 02 and 06 are mine. Was 8, 12 and 16 and each one for different reasons resonates with me in such a nostalgic way that subsequent ones could never, and never have.

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

1966 was a good one I heard?

 

 

The finals of 1950 and 1954 caused big surprises at the time.

 

My first one was 1994 - remember sneakily staying up for the Ireland v Italy game.

 

The final probably left everyone falling asleep.

People tend to forgot it was a Saturday at 9pm 

[Izzy]

33 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

 

My first one was 1994 - remember sneakily staying up for the Ireland v Italy game.

 

I remember WC 94 more for the fact we didn't qualify.

 

Did I not like that 

[boots60]

13 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I remember WC 94 more for the fact we didn't qualify.

 

Did I not like that 

Carlton Palmer, Andy Sinton, Earl Barrett.... how the hell did we not qualify?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

52 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I remember WC 94 more for the fact we didn't qualify.

 

Did I not like that 

I remember it for the wonderfully true piece of trivia that it's the only World Cup to start and finish with a missed penalty (Diana Ross & Roberto Baggio)

[Corky]

3 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Bang on. 98, 02 and 06 are mine. Was 8, 12 and 16 and each one for different reasons resonates with me in such a nostalgic way that subsequent ones could never, and never have.

We are roughly the same age so similar experiences. The 2002 event was remarkable; watching England at 7am on a Sunday morning a very strange thing.

[Foxdiamond]

66 was my first at nearly 10 years old. All downhill from there. 

[CWC1983]

The first one I can remember was Argentina 78. 

I was mesmerised by the Ticker Tape reception the hosts got every game. 

 

Peru 😔, Iran 🤬, Archie Gemmil ❤️. 

 

Long range goals

Austria v West Germany 😄

No Cryuff

Clive Thomas blowing for full time just as Brazil scored a winner 😁

Peru taking a dive v the hosts. 

The sexiest ever football - the tango

Ally Mcleod,

Ally's Tartan Army 🎵 on TOTP. 

Hans Krankel

Mario Kempes

 

The games looked and sounded from the other side of the world. For a 7 year old boy fixated by football it was so exciting to watch.

 

 

If you want a laugh and have an hour to kill, have a watch of this documentary.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b4fx2q

 

 

 

 

 

[davieG]

Suitcase reveals secrets of England World Cup win

 

The detailed plan put together by the architect of England's World Cup victory has been revealed in a bundle of papers found hidden in an old suitcase.

Manager Sir Alf Ramsey meticulously set out his thoughts on how his players should be treated, in the lead-up to the national triumph on 30 July 1966.

The insight into footballing history has been divulged after the unassuming brown suitcase was put up for auction in Diss, Norfolk, following the death of its owner Elaine Coupland in March.

The Couplands had been friends and neighbours of one-time Ipswich manager Sir Alf in the town's Valley Road - and had been given the documents when his widow, Lady Victoria, died in 2018.

Contents of the hard-backed suitcase included scouting reports from the then Manchester United boss Sir Matt Busby, and player bonus proposals of £22,000 should they lift the World Cup trophy.

But there were also plans that pointed to simpler times, in both the national game and society as a whole, as Sir Alf got to grips with devising his training camp strategy.

 

More details here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gz1y4jyvxo

[Daggers]

On 22/11/2024 at 20:01, CWC1983 said:

The first one I can remember was Argentina 78. 

I was mesmerised by the Ticker Tape reception the hosts got every game. 

 

Peru 😔, Iran 🤬, Archie Gemmil ❤️. 

 

Long range goals

Austria v West Germany 😄

No Cryuff

Clive Thomas blowing for full time just as Brazil scored a winner 😁

Peru taking a dive v the hosts. 

The sexiest ever football - the tango

Ally Mcleod,

Ally's Tartan Army 🎵 on TOTP. 

Hans Krankel

Mario Kempes

 

The games looked and sounded from the other side of the world. For a 7 year old boy fixated by football it was so exciting to watch.

 

 

If you want a laugh and have an hour to kill, have a watch of this documentary.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b4fx2q

 

 

 

 

 

It’s the first I remember and the last that had that spectacle. Seems like minutes later we were seeing Diana Ross fail to take a penalty and World Cups were ruined forever.