Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[-sodapop]

Just now, Matt said:

 

Players signed: Don't we? For sure?

 

I'll make a point I made a few weeks ago. Infact i'll quote it.

 

When was the last time a manager actually signed and hand picked players here?

 

I can't say for sure and you're not wrong to say the recruitment has been shit across the board for about 5 years now, but I truly believe we never sign Ayew for anybody other than Steve Cooper. I do see your point, and I doubt it's a case of them hand-picking players, but they certainly say what they need and almost certainly have a veto.

 

I don't think they went over Enzo for Cannon/Coady; Cannon was seen as a bit of insurance for Daka possibly leaving with the potential to be good - we moved him on for a profit so hard to criticise that. Coady was seen as a smart pickup by almost everybody I saw comment on it;  cheap but experienced defender used to playing in a back 3 to add leadership to a shit defence that just got relegated. Turns out, he wasn't that good or necessary, but you can definitely see Enzo asking for a player that fit that mold.

 

It's probably a good idea to have some sort of recruitment profile for players that isn't at the mercy of each manager that comes in.

 

The really big issues are rather:

a) this profile is shit and I can count on my hands the number of unquestionably good or profitable signings we've made since winning the league (Ndidi, Maguire, Tielemans, Maddison, Ricardo, Fofana, Hermansen, Fatawu, BEK off the top of my head), and beyond that you'd be hard pressed to name what style we want to play outside of vague references to Top wanting us to play like Man City showing up in John Percy/Rob Tanner/Tom Collomose articles.

 

b) we don't seem to match whatever this recruitment profile is to the profile of manager we recruit. I can't think of one thing that stylistically binds Rodgers to Smith to Maresca to Cooper to Nistelrooy - hard to even say they all play football.

 

 

 

[Paninistickers]

Tbh, I find these apologists in here who meekly support the Dutchman's weirdo decisions worse than the buffoon himself. 

 

Every week the meek, yes men apologists trot out; 

 

'Oh but Ayew's stats are better then Buonnotte' 

 

'Buonnotte gave the ball away v Fulham'

 

'Ayew helps the full back' 

 

'BdcR had two 'assists' v Spurs'

 

'You can't play two flair players' 

 

Okoli is homesick , Stephy is lazy blah blah 

 

I don't care what the fcking stats say. Buonnotte, Stephy Okoli Daka and, yes, even Skipp would improve the starting xi from the garbage we have to watch 

Edited 1 February by Paninistickers

[lfu]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

Tbh, I find these apologists in here who meekly support the Dutchman's weirdo decisions worse than the buffoon himself. 

 

Every week the apologist's trot out; 

 

'Oh but Ayew's stats are better then Buonnotte' 

 

'Buonnotte gave the ball away v Fulham'

 

'Ayew helps the full back' 

 

'BdcR had two 'assists' v Spurs'

 

'You can't play two flair players' 

 

Okoli is homesick , Stephy is lazy blah blah 

 

I don't care what the fcking stats say. Buonnotte, Stephy Okoli Daka and, yes, even Skipp would improve the starting xi from the garbage we have to watch 

why the use of The Dutchman as a pejorative?

[winteriscoming]

He’s a Dutch Steve Cooper. 

[Dr The Singh]

There is no way he is getting sacked.  He was a cheap option, has accepted limited support and funds for players and accepts the board and co. as his superiors.

 

Ruud, do what's right for the club, fans and yourself and walk.....

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, lfu said:

why the use of The Dutchman as a pejorative?

Because he was appointed on his name & fame only. Not on ability or qualification. So I won't use his name. 

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said:

There is no way he is getting sacked.  He was a cheap option, has accepted limited support and funds for players and accepts the board and co. as his superiors.

 

Ruud, do what's right for the club, fans and yourself and walk.....

Ruud probably earns more than the likes of Thomas Frank et al.

[Dr The Singh]

2 minutes ago, lfu said:

why the use of The Dutchman as a pejorative?

taa pal, im gonna use that word on Monday at work to make myself sound intelligent 

[dmayne7]

3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Tbh, I find these apologists in here who meekly support the Dutchman's weirdo decisions worse than the buffoon himself. 

 

Every week the meek, yes men apologists trot out; 

 

'Oh but Ayew's stats are better then Buonnotte' 

 

'Buonnotte gave the ball away v Fulham'

 

'Ayew helps the full back' 

 

'BdcR had two 'assists' v Spurs'

 

'You can't play two flair players' 

 

Okoli is homesick , Stephy is lazy blah blah 

 

I don't care what the fcking stats say. Buonnotte, Stephy Okoli Daka and, yes, even Skipp would improve the starting xi from the garbage we have to watch 

I don't care what the stats say either, I'd go off what we've seen and Facundo and Stephy's performances under RVN have been absolutely pitiful. Ayew is utter cack yet his performances have still been better than those 2 which says it all. With you on Okoli and Daka.

 

The problem is that RVN has made plenty of mistakes but when people whinge about the lineup, it feels pointless. The alternatives he has in most positions are pathetic and when they've had a chance, they've been exactly that. Complete apathetic to him staying or going but it really feels like the only chance we have, would be to actually back in terms of letting him bring in a few players he wants to work with. A radical idea I know... 

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, Happy Fox said:

Ruud probably earns more than the likes of Thomas Frank et al.

I dunno, how much Thomas earns,  but Frank is in demand, I'm sure he has a £ package that equates his stature in management.

[AKCJ]

9 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Tbh, I find these apologists in here who meekly support the Dutchman's weirdo decisions worse than the buffoon himself. 

 

Every week the meek, yes men apologists trot out; 

 

'Oh but Ayew's stats are better then Buonnotte' 

 

'Buonnotte gave the ball away v Fulham'

 

'Ayew helps the full back' 

 

'BdcR had two 'assists' v Spurs'

 

'You can't play two flair players' 

 

Okoli is homesick , Stephy is lazy blah blah 

 

I don't care what the fcking stats say. Buonnotte, Stephy Okoli Daka and, yes, even Skipp would improve the starting xi from the garbage we have to watch 

If Buonanotte, Mavididi, Okoli, Daka and Skipp start it would take 2 weeks before you drips are crying out for El Khannouss, Vardy, Ayew, BDCR, Winks etc.

 

 

The squad is ****ing dog shit. All of our players are therefore ****ing dog shit.

 

We've not somehow got Messi and Ronaldo tucked away on the bench. The players that are on the bench are worse than the players that are starting and those that are starting are ****ING DOG SHIT.

[FoxFossil]

I think Ruud has already checked out. Pick the same team, same subs  same set up. Minimum. This is exactly what Rodgers did whilst waiting to be sacked. Ruud trying to find a little credability to take to his next job abroad - in his next interview "promises were all broken". No able to say this in public as no doubt LCFC lawyers have a NDC in his contract. I'd keep him myself, but why would he want to stay?

[Bergen fox]

Whole club is a joke. 

[Happy Fox]

Who would want to manage us if he is indeed pushed out the door, the new manager won’t be able to bring in any players it’s absolutely comical but so predictable from Top and Rudkin praying for the day that these fools sell the club.

[ronnup]

I reckon hes toast.

[AjcW]

4 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Who would want to manage us if he is indeed pushed out the door, the new manager won’t be able to bring in any players it’s absolutely comical but so predictable from Top and Rudkin praying for the day that these fools sell the club.

Gravel ****ing loves being the underdog... and he'd get to live in Nottingham where he spends most of his free time  

[ronnup]

Hes toast

 

Better off getting Rohl or similar in and he can have a good run up for the promotion push 

[damolcfc]

How the mood has changed... Nice peaceful week, all nice and calm

And boom... a sh1t grenade goes off 🤣🤣

Just seen the highlights 😳 

 faes on the last goal just stood and watched 

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, AjcW said:

Gravel ****ing loves being the underdog... and he'd get to live in Nottingham where he spends most of his free time  

Sean Dyche can enjoy his time off doubt he would be remotely interested in managing us.

[AjcW]

2 minutes ago, ronnup said:

I reckon hes toast.

 

1 minute ago, ronnup said:

Hes toast

 

Better off getting Rohl or similar in and he can have a good run up for the promotion push 

That was a quick escalation even by our standards!

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

Employing Cooper and not getting Coberan in was worst decision 

Corberan is currently mid way through relegating Valencia.

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

Corberan is currently mid way through relegating Valencia.

Second quote from someone who has just looked at the League table with no bother to do any research.

He's joined a shit show, only had 4 league games and in those had to play Real, Barca, Sevilla and Sociedad, and got 4pts from the games you'd expect them to compete in... gave Real a game too! 

[-sodapop]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

Corberan is currently mid way through relegating Valencia.

He's managed 4 games in the league and has 1 win, 1 draw and 2 losses (admittedly one very bad one) vs Barca and Real Madrid. Hard to say he's doing anything good or bad yet. Valencia might have one of the worst owners in world football, too.

[Iwebema]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

I largely agree, but there was always a question of if Maresca would have got found out too. You can bet that for the first 5 games, he absolutely would have played a high line with Vestergaard in it too.

 

That said, from what I have seen at Chelsea, I think he would have changed the lineup at minimum and most likely would have changed the build up shape. For example, he was using a 4141 in the defensive phase earlier in the season whilst Chelsea were getting to grips with his system so protect them a bit better.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Ruud if manager of a Championship Leicester City also smashed that league, but the Premier League is such a massive gulf in class. It says a lot that only once in history have 2 teams gone up from the Championship with such high points tallies in us and Ipswich, and yet both teams have stunk the place out.

We will never know for sure, but given how Enzo was towards the end of the season and taking shots upstairs, we may (wishful thinking) of seen some change in approach, I doubt the people would be different, but I think he would of challenged them alot more.

 

I am certain our recruitment would of been alot different in the summer. 

He would not of pushed for premier league experience at all costs. I think that's the thing that we've missed out on the most rather than his tactics, he was doing his best to improve the club not just the players.

[sm1]

29 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

You know what, he played a high line today for no reason. He’s caused us to collapse in 3 absolutely massive games. 2 at home. Not making a sub today at half time was ridiculous. I haven’t got time for him. He needs to go. 

That's the most disappointing part, alot of our wounds are self inflicted. Ruud insists on playing Ayew, pushing JJ high up leaving acres of space behind him that no one covers, and a high defensive line with snail like defenders. Not too mention refusing to play Bilal and Facundo, our 2 most creative players, together. If we're going down atleast put up a fight, Everton just played 3 long balls, scored 3 goals, game over.