Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Dahnsouff]

13 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I know we've had our disagreements on the Buonnotte thing. So I watched BdcR today for these famed 'stats' of BdcR that keep facu out the team

 

Between minute 1-39, he touched the ball once. ONCE. His second touch was on 39 mins when he got a toe to the ball to kick it out for a throw in..

 

How much more of a passenger can Facu be than a player who, simply, takes almost no part on the game? 

It’s all good, this stuff is decent conversation. I don’t think player A being poor makes player B any better, we just have bunch of not much currently, nd as much as I get Facundo is far more exciting than Bobby (or even the mighty Ayew) he is no less underwhelming in terms of what he delivers. Watching Bobby today and he did not do much, but this meant he didn’t do much wrong either, and yes this is precisely how far we have tumbled.

Our squad is very beige.

[Lesta Legend]

19 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I know we've had our disagreements on the Buonnotte thing. So I watched BdcR today for these famed 'stats' of BdcR that keep facu out the team

 

Between minute 1-39, he touched the ball once. ONCE. His second touch was on 39 mins when he got a toe to the ball to kick it out for a throw in..

 

How much more of a passenger can Facu be than a player who, simply, takes almost no part on the game? 

 

 

And after all of that Bacundo is still

 

- The 2nd highest scorer (joint with Ayew)

- The 2nd highest assister (joint with Ayew)

- 3rd for XA

-  Joint 2nd for XG

- Top for both number of chance created and big chances created!

 

And 3rd highest for tackles per 90.

 

His stats speak for themselves. 

 

 

Edited 15 February by Lesta Legend

[Haywood_6]

Like others have said, if we're sticking with Ruud I'd like to know if he's actually ready to be out manager next season in the Championship. I do think the players are putting in the effort but the reality is they’re just not very good. And to be fair, they’re not even his players.

 

That said what really frustrates me is that he keeps picking Vardy Ayew and Reid. We do have other options. why not play Bounanotte or Mavididi, Daka? We could have even used Alves before he left for Cardiff, or Monga. 

 

And as for Vardy… his time is up. His career is done. We should’ve moved on from him years ago. He’s been a great servant to the club, but come on....relying this much on a 38 year old in the prem is just ridiculous and quite frankly STUPID

 

[JimJams]

2 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

The problem isn’t the manager. The problem lies in the reasons we are shopping in the bargain basement for the likes of BCDR and Ayew. 

We didn't have to shop in the bargain basement for Ayew and BDR though. We dropped £20mill on Skipp and later £20mill on Bilal.  We spent money.

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

Well he nearly got a point away at Arsenal so maybe at home to Arsenal?

we got close to a point at arsenal because Hermansen was possessed by the spirit of Lev Yashin that afternoon, not because of Cooper's tactics, Cooper's tactics had us so exposed that we racked up a whopping 6 xGA

[Paninistickers]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

It’s all good, this stuff is decent conversation. I don’t think player A being poor makes player B any better, we just have bunch of not much currently, nd as much as I get Facundo is far more exciting than Bobby (or even the mighty Ayew) he is no less underwhelming in terms of what he delivers. Watching Bobby today and he did not do much, but this meant he didn’t do much wrong either, and yes this is precisely how far we have tumbled.

Our squad is very beige.

We need more than people just hiding in the pitch though, avoiding doing anything wrong..

 

At some point, we are gonna have to take a gamble and play players who can affect a game and not just stand on the margins. Heaven forbid they might fail..or misplace a pass....give us all.at least some hope, or,. dare I say, give us a bit of entertainment. 

 

 

 

 

[fox in the sox]

4 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

we got close to a point at arsenal because Hermansen was possessed by the spirit of Lev Yashin that afternoon, not because of Cooper's tactics, Cooper's tactics had us so exposed that we racked up a whopping 6 xGA

He got a draw against Everton so maybe he would have done better than a 4-0 loss in the reverse fixture.

[LFEFox23]

19 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Why? 

 

Not digging you out in particular. But I find it fascinating, almost on an anthropological scale, why so many are keen to give him slack. 

 

It's his looks. 

 

I don't mean (necessarily) on a homo erotic basis. Bit it's remarkable how charisma, looks, vibes can get somebody so far ahead. 

 

There is absolutely no way an ugly fcker like Cooper gets this much slack..

 

Edit; this applies to the players too. They'd clearly decided Cooper was a loser from the second he walked through the door.

I like him as person, comes across well on interviews and just seems a good bloke but I’m struggling to see why he was appointed in the first place and his decision making is baffling me. Wrong choice yet again. 

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, LFEFox23 said:

I like him as person, comes across well on interviews and just seems a good bloke but I’m struggling to see why he was appointed in the first place and his decision making is baffling me. Wrong choice yet again. 

I agree. He speaks well. I can see why he's liked (even though I don't like him, lol) But the executive level within our club needs to look beyond charisma and examine his credentials 

 

[Fox92]

22 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

probably the fact that we barely deserved 50% of the points we got under Cooper, but had significantly more luck than RVN has.

 

like, genuinely, the points dropped under Ruud, where do you see points that Cooper would have got? name games.

Luck isn’t real.

 

We never dropped points against relegation rivals under Cooper. Palace, Everton, Ipswich, Southampton…

 

Under Van Nistelrooy we lose to relegation rivals. Palace, Everton, Wolves… all without us even scoring ffs. And at least under Cooper we were scoring the odd goal. Ultimately now we score less and concede more.

 

Not sure how people can defend this manager, in fact I’d go as far as saying I’ve never seen so many excuses made for poor manager before. 

 

[SemperEadem]

6 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Road trip anyone?

Hillsborough Football Stadium,
Leppings Lane,
Sheffield,
S6 1SW

He aint coming here no chance.

[LVFox]

I feel for Ruud. He's got a squad that just isn't good enough. If we attack a game we are cut apart defensively. If we get organised at the back, we have nothing going forward. 

I'm not suggesting he's a great coach, but I struggle to see how any coach could get a consistent tune out of this set of players

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, SafewayFox said:

I couldn’t think of anything worse.

 

Enzo’s appointment highlighted that you need a refresh after a relegation.

 

After a relegation yes, completely agree. 

[RGFox]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Luck isn’t real.

 

We never dropped points against relegation rivals under Cooper. Palace, Everton, Ipswich, Southampton…

 

Under Van Nistelrooy we lose to relegation rivals. Palace, Everton, Wolves… all without us even scoring ffs. And at least under Cooper we were scoring the odd goal. Ultimately now we score less and concede more.

 

Not sure how people can defend this manager, in fact I’d go as far as saying I’ve never seen so many excuses made for poor manager before. 

 

We look impotent in front of goal and creating opportunities 

[Nolucklcfc]

32 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

Surely he will go at the end of the season. There’s not much point doing it before then. 

He talks a lot about the long term. It might been part of the agreement that he stays even if we go down. 

[Dahnsouff]

12 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

We need more than people just hiding in the pitch though, avoiding doing anything wrong..

 

At some point, we are gonna have to take a gamble and play players who can affect a game and not just stand on the margins. Heaven forbid they might fail..or misplace a pass....give us all.at least some hope, or,. dare I say, give us a bit of entertainment. 

Yes, but I fear we won’t be brave until it’s too late. I have no issue with Bobby or Jordan, they are decent pro’s, but yes someone like Facundo is more exciting. Just wary for some when it comes to Facundo, but it’s probably because of previously seeing how good he can be, whilst also being aware of how much lower level his performances can be.

[grth2004]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Luck isn’t real.

 

We never dropped points against relegation rivals under Cooper. Palace, Everton, Ipswich, Southampton…

 

Under Van Nistelrooy we lose to relegation rivals. Palace, Everton, Wolves… all without us even scoring ffs. And at least under Cooper we were scoring the odd goal. Ultimately now we score less and concede more.

 

Not sure how people can defend this manager, in fact I’d go as far as saying I’ve never seen so many excuses made for poor manager before. 

 

100% agree but be careful round here as it’s all about Cooper was the worst manager ever even though he actually made us fairly solid at the back and ground out results. Just an opinion though 🥷

[The Doctor]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Luck isn’t real.

 

We never dropped points against relegation rivals under Cooper. Palace, Everton, Ipswich, Southampton…

 

Under Van Nistelrooy we lose to relegation rivals. Palace, Everton, Wolves… all without us even scoring ffs. And at least under Cooper we were scoring the odd goal. Ultimately now we score less and concede more.

 

Not sure how people can defend this manager, in fact I’d go as far as saying I’ve never seen so many excuses made for poor manager before. 

 

luck is absolutely real. Did we deserve points from Ipswich and Southampton under Cooper, no, but refereeing errors around penalties for them (Ayew v Southampton with his shirt pulling, Fatawus challenge at Ipswich) turned the game. 

Cooper was as bad as RvN has been, arguably worse given he's made our PSR position crap again with shit like Skipp

 

16 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

He got a draw against Everton so maybe he would have done better than a 4-0 loss in the reverse fixture.

ok, I'll grant he might have got a draw, although very different circumstances having Moyes Vs Dyche for Everton. Unlikely he'd have gotten anything Vs West Ham at home though so we're still in the position of the points haul wouldn't really have changed.

[LVFox]

3 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

100% agree but be careful round here as it’s all about Cooper was the worst manager ever even though he actually made us fairly solid at the back and ground out results. Just an opinion though 🥷

We were never solid at the back under Cooper. We always looked horrific at the back and gave up too many chances.

 

He also had Ricky & Fatawu available to him, and Stephy Mavididi with confidence, which he utterly drained him of.

 

Current form is showing Cooper didn't have a PL squad at his disposal, which we likely all thought he did, but he's also partly responsible for that. Skipp, BDCR, Ayew, all ridiculous signings when it was obvious we needed a PL ready centre back and centre forward.

 

Cooper had all the opportunity for groundwork that Ruud didn't, and we were horrific from day 1 under him. Ruud needs to get a result and quick, and he needs to show more invention than he is, but he has one arm tied behind his back with what he's inherited 

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

100% agree but be careful round here as it’s all about Cooper was the worst manager ever even though he actually made us fairly solid at the back and ground out results. Just an opinion though 🥷

factually incorrect. 

 

Cooper: xG 14.29, xGA 28.61, xPts 9.14

Ruud: xG 12.92, xGA 25.68, xPts 9.41

 

under Ruud we're creating marginally less per game, but defensively more solid than under Cooper, with roughly the same expected points return. 

[CosbehFox]

24 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

He got a draw against Everton so maybe he would have done better than a 4-0 loss in the reverse fixture.

Tbf it was Everton with a centre midfielder at full back which we eventually took advantage of 

[The Guvnor]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

I know he's got a shit squad to work from but the only choices are not Reid and Ayew. 

 

They're the two that seem to let us down the most considering we need goals to actually fvcking win a game. 

 

Can't really fault many of the others today (barring no one marking Merino for their first goal). 

 

But mate, help yourself out sometimes! 

 

Make a change at half time. Be proactive. Can't always wait til we go a goal down to change something. 

Thought Ayew was ok today, he’s obviously not the player we were all hoping for but he’s a decent pro and who’s the alternative, Daka seems a decent bloke,  he’s quick and presses quite well but that’s it, unfortunately not a goal scorer at this level, and one of the best goal scorers there’s ever been thinks the same.

[grth2004]

17 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

factually incorrect. 

 

Cooper: xG 14.29, xGA 28.61, xPts 9.14

Ruud: xG 12.92, xGA 25.68, xPts 9.41

 

under Ruud we're creating marginally less per game, but defensively more solid than under Cooper, with roughly the same expected points return. 

I’ll be honest those numbers don’t mean anything to me , where was this copied from ?

[John12345]

We should have gone all out for moyes when we had our chance. We won't know if we tried, but you kind of think he would have taken the job at the time, if we chucked enough money at him. Rvn good guy but lacks experience. 

[fox in the sox]

39 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Tbf it was Everton with a centre midfielder at full back which we eventually took advantage of 

It just seems like people are looking for obscure reasons to prove RVN is better than Cooper. RVN should have taken advantage of a weaker Arsenal today if we are going to look at it like that.