Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[The Doctor]

54 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

You do know all clubs have injuries esp this stage in the season. RVN for example came up against a Spurs side missing 13 yes 13 players Cooper came up against a full strength Spurs side RVN played a Villa Side missing 6 Cooper played a full strength Viila. side.

there's a bit of a difference between the clubs in terms of squad depth no? Literally what we saw last season at about this time of year when we had KDH running on fumes and Praet/Ndidi out injured...

[RoboFox]

He loves the word "clear" 

 

Lots of things are clear for our Ruud. Pure clarity. 

 

 

Edited 14 February by RoboFox

[Graceroad]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

there's a bit of a difference between the clubs in terms of squad depth no? Literally what we saw last season at about this time of year when we had KDH running on fumes and Praet/Ndidi out injured...

Yes if they  are missing 5 or 6 not 12 or 13 hence why spurs have only won 1 match in around 10 matches

[Dmitry]

Should've hired Moyes...plain for all to see by now...except the LCFC proprietor and the chief waiter.

[st albans fox]

90 mins ago I had the chance of crashing into the Ellison’s coach just before it arrived at Arsenal’s training ground.  Upset their pre match routine with at least an hours delay arrival at their hotel and likely longer.  And then I realised that they could turn up with their U21’s five mins before kick off tomorrow and take 3 points home so I decided not to …..

 

(not sure why this is in the Ruud thread) 

Edited 14 February by st albans fox

[Bordersfox]

8 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

Should've hired Moyes...plain for all to see by now...except the LCFC proprietor and the chief waiter.

As has been said many, many times, not a chance Moyes would have come here under present circumstances.  He's a wily old dog and knows a particularly ripe sh1t sandwich when he sees one.  

[Dmitry]

6 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

As has been said many, many times, not a chance Moyes would have come here under present circumstances.  He's a wily old dog and knows a particularly ripe sh1t sandwich when he sees one.  

Extra two million to keep us afloat wouldn't sway the old dog? 

 

[Bordersfox]

Just now, Dmitry said:

Extra two million to keep us afloat wouldn't sway the old dog? 

 

Personally don't think so, I am sure he is getting remunerated handsomely anyway.  Nor do I think he'd have kept this bunch of tosspots up frankly.  

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Graceroad said:

Yes if they  are missing 5 or 6 not 12 or 13 hence why spurs have only won 1 match in around 10 matches

and Villa, given you bought them up?

[Matt]

5 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

People keep using Fatawu he started 6 games under Cooper and played 5 full games.

Out of those games he started we picked up 2 points.

 

Agree. People moaned he was on the bench, yet when he started it was clear he was better off the bench, those same people (And they were the same people) then moaned when he started that we had nothing off the bench.

 

It's been said RVN hasn't had the luxury of Ricardo, he hardly played under Cooper. Out of choice but the point remains.

 

Despite perma-predications of hammerings under Cooper, every week, we had none. Luck or not.

 

Post Cooper? We've had 4 hammerings. 3 under RVN. Further to that they like to claim we've been without Hermansen, 2.5 of those hammerings came with him in goal (Call it 2 as in fairness we were only 1-0 down when he came off against Newcastle, it still highlights problem).

 

We are playing better though, that I cannot deny. Unfortunately we're worse for it though, that equally cannot be denied.

 

There is some middle ground. We need to accept and find it.

 

Edited 14 February by Matt

[chris1232]

17 minutes ago, Matt said:

Agree. People moaned he was on the bench, yet when he started it was clear he was better off the bench, those same people (And they were the same people) then moaned when he started that we had nothing off the bench.

 

It's been said RVN hasn't had the luxury of Ricardo, he hardly played under Cooper. Out of choice but the point remains.

 

Despite perma-predications of hammerings under Cooper, every week, we had none. Luck or not.

 

Post Cooper? We've had 4 hammerings. 3 under RVN. Further to that they like to claim we've been without Hermansen, 2.5 of those hammerings came with him in goal (Call it 2 as in fairness we were only 1-0 down when he came off against Newcastle, it still highlights problem).

 

We are playing better though, that I cannot deny. Unfortunately we're worse for it though, that equally cannot be denied.

 

There is some middle ground. We need to accept and find it.

 

Fatawu was just finding his feet. I saw a stat that said up to his injury he had one of the most progressive dribbles in the premier league. He completed more dribbles in one match(vs man u) than  mavididi or ayew have had this whole season.                         

[orangecity23]

16 minutes ago, Matt said:

Agree. People moaned he was on the bench, yet when he started it was clear he was better off the bench, those same people (And they were the same people) then moaned when he started that we had nothing off the bench.

 

It's been said RVN hasn't had the luxury of Ricardo, he hardly played under Cooper. Out of choice but the point remains.

 

Despite perma-predications of hammerings under Cooper, every week, we had none. Luck or not.

 

Post Cooper? We've had 4 hammerings. 3 under RVN. Further to that they like to claim we've been without Hermansen, 2.5 of those hammerings came with him in goal (Call it 2 as in fairness we were only 1-0 down when he came off against Newcastle, it still highlights problem).

 

We are playing better though, that I cannot deny. Unfortunately we're worse for it though, that equally cannot be denied.

 

There is some middle ground. We need to accept and find it.

 

I'm assuming you are declaring a hammering as losing by 3 goals, so counting the games against Newcastle, Everton, Wolves and Brentford (not Ruud)?

 

In that case Cooper has defeats by 3 goals to Man United in the league, and again in the cup (shipped 5 with ol Danny Ward in net, who was in for the Wolves and conceding 3 out the 4 goals Vs Newcastle).

Shipped 4 goals Vs Arsenal and 3 Vs Forest at home as well.

 

 

 

[Matt]

Just now, orangecity23 said:

I'm assuming you are declaring a hammering as losing by 3 goals, so counting the games against Newcastle, Everton, Wolves and Brentford (not Ruud)?

 

In that case Cooper has defeats by 3 goals to Man United in the league, and again in the cup (shipped 5 with ol Danny Ward in net, who was in for the Wolves and conceding 3 out the 4 goals Vs Newcastle).

Shipped 4 goals Vs Arsenal and 3 Vs Forest at home as well.

 

 

 

Erm no, I mean I appreciate we're both skewing our arguments to suit.

 

But i'm not talking goals conceded as a hammering if we scored to make the scoreline a difference of say 1 or 2-0 deficit. Otherwise i'd have included Liverpool 3-1 under RVN and called it 5 hammerings post Cooper/4 under RVN, but i've not.

 

Neither was I including cup games - Not to suit any argument or agenda, just I didn't count them, I was purely looking at League - Fair points made however.

 

Fact of the matter is we scoring less and conceding more, again, luck or not.

[orangecity23]

8 minutes ago, Matt said:

Erm no, I mean I appreciate we're both skewing our arguments to suit.

 

But i'm not talking goals conceded as a hammering if we scored to make the scoreline a difference of say 1 or 2-0 deficit. Otherwise i'd have included Liverpool 3-1 under RVN and called it 5 hammerings post Cooper/4 under RVN, but i've not.

 

Neither was I including cup games - Not to suit any argument or agenda, just I didn't count them, I was purely looking at League - Fair points made however.

 

Fact of the matter is we scoring less and conceding more, again, luck or not.

Fair enough. Man United Vs Leicester away, is in the league, we conceeded 3, scored zero. So by your own definition, a hammering.

 

It's all academic really, but it winds me up when people claim we were "miles better" under Cooper, because it doesn't ring true at all. As I've said previously, it's 7 points Vs 10, 2 wins apiece, identical results against a lot of opponents. But people keep acting as if he would have got results Vs teams like Fulham or Villa, ignoring the facts Cooper already played them and failed. Theres basically feck all difference between them.

[FrankieADZ]

As much as I want to support RVN, it's hard to when he keeps picking the same under performing players, and then keeping the same system too, like what's the point

[BKLFox]

Can the stats poster provide some detail with regards to how many goals have been conceded directly from the void left behind at RB when Facundo has played RW v when Ayew has started there.

 

It would seem since Ayew started there I haven’t seen that many post match posts about bloody JJ this & JJ that.

 

Im no fan of Ayew and just trying to understand if it’s this 1 metric that RVN sees to put him ahead of FB, if that’s the case then should we really be knocking him? 
Obviously if it’s not then what the hell’s he doing but it does seem that there isn’t that much being written about JJ like it was & the eye test suggests most of the goals recently have come from straight down the centre hence maybe why the CM/DM & CBs keep changing week on week 🤷‍♂️ 

[HarryDee8]

I'll give him credit playing okoli and ndidi in the team. Least he's trying something.

 

Better the vesty and winks

[The Doctor]

24 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Can the stats poster provide some detail with regards to how many goals have been conceded directly from the void left behind at RB when Facundo has played RW v when Ayew has started there.

 

It would seem since Ayew started there I haven’t seen that many post match posts about bloody JJ this & JJ that.

 

Im no fan of Ayew and just trying to understand if it’s this 1 metric that RVN sees to put him ahead of FB, if that’s the case then should we really be knocking him? 
Obviously if it’s not then what the hell’s he doing but it does seem that there isn’t that much being written about JJ like it was & the eye test suggests most of the goals recently have come from straight down the centre hence maybe why the CM/DM & CBs keep changing week on week 🤷‍♂️ 

Id need time to look at the actual stats but if we're saying we need a right winger to protect JJ, Ayew isn't that. Watch the system we play, he drifts right across the centre and left at times and does not have the effort or ability to get back in position when the ball is turned over, Grandpa Ayew is a liability to the right back because him being in the team leaves that position exposed 2v1 regularly 

[BKLFox]

11 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Id need time to look at the actual stats but if we're saying we need a right winger to protect JJ, Ayew isn't that. Watch the system we play, he drifts right across the centre and left at times and does not have the effort or ability to get back in position when the ball is turned over, Grandpa Ayew is a liability to the right back because him being in the team leaves that position exposed 2v1 regularly 

Ooh I hear you and he’s certainly not the solution but right here right now is he better at it than Facundo if so we can see why RVN is sticking to it but if not ffs RVN have a word.

 

FWIW Im in the change formation camp 3 / 5 at back with Bilal & Facundo as dual 8s infront of Ndidi/Soumare & behind Vardy so don’t get me wrong im no Ayew fan just interested to see if there has been slightly better protection coinciding with the change from down the right.

[HankMarvin]

A record up for grabs today

Could be 5 consecutive home games without scoring all ending in defeat 

[cityfanlee23]

Road trip anyone?

Hillsborough Football Stadium,
Leppings Lane,
Sheffield,
S6 1SW

[jim5000]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

A record up for grabs today

Could be 5 consecutive home games without scoring all ending in defeat 

Finally, a record set this season

[moore_94]

 

[lgfualol]

Squad is poor but he’s not improved anything or anyone, under Cooper we could still score at least. 

[Sunbury Fox]

Just now, jim5000 said:

Finally, a record set this season

I assume this is the worst ever start for a Leicester manager as well?