King Power Out

[Chrysalis]

I see people still resisting, they think short term results are more important than getting these clowns out.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I’ve genuinely never known our fan base to be so divided. It’s far deeper than the Rodgers era

[Muzzy_no7]

7 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I’ve genuinely never known our fan base to be so divided. It’s far deeper than the Rodgers era

Clowns on FB make me genuinely ashamed to be a Leicester fan

[Gamble92]

24 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Clowns on FB make me genuinely ashamed to be a Leicester fan

I've seen enough pro King Power posts with about 36 friends and a couple of profile pictures to honestly believe they're bots from the club. 

[filbertway]

I want Top to stick around for like 10 more years. We will come back, but as a social experiment. I really want to see how far he can tank us.

Non league feels unrealistic but I do genuinely think he could take us to league two given time.

[LCFCJohn]

8 hours ago, fkas said:

Whilst incompetently run we've not been left penniless in administration again. There really are a lot worse. Ask Sheff Wednesday fans.

Sheffield Wednesday fans identify very similar things happening in the years building up to 2025 when it all exploded with Chansiri. The only difference is they have bottomed out and we haven’t yet. Same path, further back on it.

 

And yes, I do live in Sheffield. And yes I do have neighbours who support Wednesday and work with Wednesday fans and do speak to them regularly!

[LCFCJohn]

10 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

Can Top genuinely do anything to get all the fans back on board?

 

Previously, I thought replacing Rudkin would do this, but genuinely think that too much incompetency has tarnished KPFC.

No. Hypothetically, he could come to a realisation and fix it all (yeah right). But the trust is broken. 
 

And importantly, this whole episode to date, has shown that it is dangerous to have someone owning the club who a large number of supporters idolise and support more than the club. Managers and players move on much more regularly but an owner is the custodian of the club on behalf of the community and city. They need to be accountable for mistakes they make and damage they cause. As the fan base won’t do this, we need change.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

No. Hypothetically, he could come to a realisation and fix it all (yeah right). But the trust is broken. 
 

And importantly, this whole episode to date, has shown that it is dangerous to have someone owning the club who a large number of supporters idolise and support more than the club. Managers and players move on much more regularly but an owner is the custodian of the club on behalf of the community and city. They need to be accountable for mistakes they make and damage they cause. As the fan base won’t do this, we need change.

That not true though is it? It requires what is currently a flight of fantasy, but if we improve on field, hear no more reports of mismanagement, see intent to integrate youth more rapidly,  also observe movement towards a sensible transfer strategy, AND we hear frequent updates on club plans.

 

If all this occurred without fail over 12-24 months, he could start to repair his reputation.

It is a massive ask, but possible.

 

The question then becomes if all this happened (it won't) and fans still never forgave, who is at fault then?

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

That not true though is it? It requires what is currently a flight of fantasy, but if we improve on field, hear no more reports of mismanagement, see intent to integrate youth more rapidly,  also observe movement towards a sensible transfer strategy, AND we hear frequent updates on club plans.

 

If all this occurred without fail over 12-24 months, he could start to repair his reputation.

It is a massive ask, but possible.

 

The question then becomes if all this happened (it won't) and fans still never forgave, who is at fault then?

I’m not sure you have said anything I haven’t. Even if things miraculously repaired (I agree they won’t), does that trust come back? Put it this way, if your partner continuously cheated on you, to your face and disrespected your relationship, but you stayed together and worked past it. Would the trust ever be 100% back how it used to be?

 

And what about the actual bulk of what my post said that you have quoted? Even if all that happened, this has shown that one man is bigger than the club. What if things go wrong again? You don’t think it’s a problem having a custodian of the club who is immune to being criticised?

Edited 1 January by LCFCJohn

[Sly]

Has anyone done a timeline with our league success and a good points / bad points under King Power? 
 

Visually it must show that our ownership under Vichai and Top Are drastically different. 
 

We’ve built two very good teams under King Power.

 

One was largely built by Pearson, Walsh and Shakespeare. I will so they were not the same team without Kante and that was on Walsh persisting and pressuring Ranieri who preferred Mendy. Managed by Ranieri whose additions were terrible. 

 

The other was largely built by the bones of team one, then additions from Claude Puels time (Tielemans, Maddison, Soyuncus) and a few from Rodgers (Fofana, Perez, Castagne). Again though th recruitment was largely terrible from the person that managed them in Rodgers. 

This alone points to the fact we need a competent head of recruitment and HR etc

 

What you can give them props for I maybe haven’t given them enough credit for this, is the development of younger talent. I do think this is the longer term plan and they’d get more backing if they actually stated this and they wanted to move away from the overspending on junk. Whether it’s used correctly is a completely different conversation. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

I’m not sure you have said anything I haven’t. Even if things miraculously repairs (I agree they won’t), does that trust come back? Put it this way, if your partner continuously cheated on you, to your face and disrespected your relationship, but you stayed together and worked past it. Would the trust ever be 100% back how it used to be?

 

And what about the actual bulk of what my post said that you have quoted? Even if all that happened, this has shown that one man is bigger than the club. What if things go wrong again? You don’t think it’s a problem having a custodian of the club who is immune to being criticised?

My apologies I tend to become irked by the endless criticism we see without any attempt to navigate through it, but you did not do so, so my bad.

 

Let me try again!

• In terms of owning their mistakes -
  • Is  this likely? Do any owners do this? (not condoning, owners should, as owning a club is owning the stewardship of a loved institution.
    • But are we really expecting this extremely unlikely act of penitence from someone who's position has little history of contrition 
• Idolatry
  • Isn't this the you are either KPFC or LCFC argument?
  • Slightly off-piste, but this whole happy clapper, them v us attitude underpins the problem with any meaningful objection
  • As how can anyone expect meaningful coordinated action with regard to removal if more effort is spent dividing the fan base, it is immeasurably self serving and childish
    • That's why it is very loud in here, but not so much elsewhere
• Structure
  • Top could really earn some early forgiveness if he demonstrated a willingness to operate outside of this tight, low knowledge inner circle he has constructed and relied upon.
  • Get an experienced DoF and that would buy some better will overnight

But as has been said, it won't happen, this is all hypothetical. Hopefully answered the question but appreciate have also whittered on.

[LCFCJohn]

14 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

My apologies I tend to become irked by the endless criticism we see without any attempt to navigate through it, but you did not do so, so my bad.

 

Let me try again!

• In terms of owning their mistakes -
  • Is  this likely? Do any owners do this? (not condoning, owners should, as owning a club is owning the stewardship of a loved institution.
    • But are we really expecting this extremely unlikely act of penitence from someone who's position has little history of contrition 
• Idolatry
  • Isn't this the you are either KPFC or LCFC argument?
  • Slightly off-piste, but this whole happy clapper, them v us attitude underpins the problem with any meaningful objection
  • As how can anyone expect meaningful coordinated action with regard to removal if more effort is spent dividing the fan base, it is immeasurably self serving and childish
    • That's why it is very loud in here, but not so much elsewhere
• Structure
  • Top could really earn some early forgiveness if he demonstrated a willingness to operate outside of this tight, low knowledge inner circle he has constructed and relied upon.
  • Get an experienced DoF and that would buy some better will overnight

But as has been said, it won't happen, this is all hypothetical. Hopefully answered the question but appreciate have also whittered on.

I mean without using terms like KPFC or over complicating things.

 

Yes, if he did the things you mention in your structure heading, people would likely back off as ultimately, this has never been a witch hunt, is it people concerned about the running and direction of the club. Aiyawatt will have had more patience from all fans, even those who despise him now, due to the past. But many of us now look to the present and future and have turned. But like I say, does the trust ever fully come back or would concerns of a repeat be round the corner? 
 

The idolatry heading. Yes, unfortunately the fan base is divided. Both sides rub each other the wrong way and it distracts from the issues. I ultimately think like any other club is, owners should be accountable and take criticism for their failings. We have a situation where we have a section of the fan base who won’t do this. Who won’t hear a critical word against the guy. I realise I could be biased but that for me is where the problem and the divide comes from. 
 

And this is why Aiyawatt/KP need to go regardless for me. We need to return to a position whereby the club is first and foremost, the key consideration and the most important thing. This club has been in existence since 1884. Our ancestors supported the club and it is not Aiyawatt, KP or Vichai. But these people make it that way and that is a big problem.

[Mickyblueeyes]

People expecting Top after what 6 years to make drastic changes “at board level” like that fella on Leicester Fan Tv suggested are either beyond saving or simply taking the piss out of the club. 
 

A) it’s been 5 years of us begging for this.

B) the only change he has made is to promote his mate Rudkin. 
 

Seriously,  what do people expect ? 

[FrankieADZ]

20 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

People expecting Top after what 6 years to make drastic changes “at board level” like that fella on Leicester Fan Tv suggested are either beyond saving or simply taking the piss out of the club. 
 

A) it’s been 5 years of us begging for this.

B) the only change he has made is to promote his mate Rudkin. 
 

Seriously,  what do people expect ? 

true, it shouldnt take that long to notice the issues

some people just have their head in the sand hoping the problem will magically go away

[Spanner73]

9 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

I’ve genuinely never known our fan base to be so divided. It’s far deeper than the Rodgers era

What’s more surprising is that it’s actually divided ! How much more rot & decay do the Top a** lickers need to see ?? before they realise that our club isn’t being operated properly & he really couldn’t care less. 

[Richmondfox]

4 minutes ago, Spanner73 said:

What’s more surprising is that it’s actually divided ! How much more rot & decay do the Top a** lickers need to see ?? before they realise that our club isn’t being operated properly & he really couldn’t care less. 

And it’s frustrating because a few small changes at a time and they can turn the corner.  If the results come or football looks like they are trying, they should build up more good grace to fix behind the scenes.
 

We can see the issues that are constantly repeated. Why can’t they. They keep signing and re-signing dross players and hiring even worse managers that can’t see they are rubbish. 
 

They won’t otherwise they would’ve done it by now. 

[reynard]

35 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

People expecting Top after what 6 years to make drastic changes “at board level” like that fella on Leicester Fan Tv suggested are either beyond saving or simply taking the piss out of the club. 
 

A) it’s been 5 years of us begging for this.

B) the only change he has made is to promote his mate Rudkin. 
 

Seriously,  what do people expect ? 

We don't really have an effective board right now.

2nd October Whelan leaves and Top becomes acting CEO as well as still being Chairman. If we were a PLC that simply wouldn't wash with the city etc. 

Unless Rudkin has been promoted to CEO I don't think anything has happened on this front in nearly 3 months.  

 

14th November the grand announcement that we will be recruiting a Technical Director of Football, a new Chief Executive and a new Commercial Director. I know these things can take a while at this level in companies but I don't think there have been any announcements on any of these have there?

 

Top's brother is a board member as Vice chairman but I'm guessing has very little to do with the club.

 

We have a director of communication who seems at best hopeless and then a financial director and Andrew Neville, Football operations Director,  who I don't really know what he does.

So currently our Chairman and CEO is absent playing polo for most of the time leaving a very watered down board to run the club at a key point in the season.

 

We just don't seem to have done anything in the last few months to fill these rolls.  I understand that it can take while and the people you want to employ may have notice to work etc but announcements can still be made.

The Technical Director is supposedly to manage recruitment and scouting and now won't be in place until after the end of the current transfer window in all likelihood.

 

The club is basically not being properly run and it is hardly surprising. No reason to expect changes soon in competency.

[Sly]

11 minutes ago, Spanner73 said:

What’s more surprising is that it’s actually divided ! How much more rot & decay do the Top a** lickers need to see ?? before they realise that our club isn’t being operated properly & he really couldn’t care less. 

It’s a mess, it really is.

 

If you look at the reply from the OHL fan in the other topic, it’s crazy to consider they’re bottom of the league and Top hasn’t been near the place in three years. 

[adejo92]

10 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Clowns on FB make me genuinely ashamed to be a Leicester fan

 

A species that tend to lurk, rather than make themselves known.

 

When antagonised,  they can be known to pop out of their nest and remind you that we were in league 1 once.

 

They tend to stay in groups, they come out together to show support for each other's comments.

 

Theres a few that travel further afield from the nest and live amongst us in this forum.

 

They can usually be distinguished because they'll make it clear they've been a fan Pre 1930's.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

 

A species that tend to lurk, rather than make themselves known.

 

When antagonised,  they can be known to pop out of their nest and remind you that we were in league 1 once.

 

They tend to stay in groups, they come out together to show support for each other's comments.

 

Theres a few that travel further afield from the nest and live amongst us in this forum.

 

They can usually be distinguished because they'll make it clear they've been a fan Pre 1930's.

Same on here. 

Just the other side of the divide isn't it?

Closing the divide is surely the ideal.

[Happy Fox]

Aiyawatt is not invested surely that’s clear to see from his “supporters” and will just do nothing while we plummet?

 

What changes has he implemented to see us rise again? 
 

 

[Happy Fox]

18 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Same on here. 

Just the other side of the divide isn't it?

Closing the divide is surely the ideal.

The only way the divide is closed is if the club is sold. There is no other way, because Aiyawatt’s supporters will still back him all the way even if keep on falling.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Happy Fox said:

The only way the divide is closed is if the club is sold. There is no other way, because Aiyawatt’s supporters will still back him all the way even if keep on falling.

The here irony is too strong for me, sorry.

[adejo92]

28 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Same on here. 

Just the other side of the divide isn't it?

Closing the divide is surely the ideal.

Yeah, thats true, and the KPFC cult probably find my opinions as annoying as I find theirs, granted.

 

It is just two sides of the fence, both passionate about their opinions.

 

I think its just frustrating because its so blatantly obvious how the club has been destroyed, yet they chose to ignore and deny it for the sake of loyalty to a man who's done absolutely nothing for this club.

 

Vishai is a legend, and is behind anything good that ever happened to this club, not King Power & not Top.

 

But yeah, i do agree, its just two opposing sides fighting a battle neither is going to win.

 

A boycott won't make Top sell, but i am still behind it, as much as the end result might be pointless.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Yeah, thats true, and the KPFC cult probably find my opinions as annoying as I find theirs, granted.

 

It is just two sides of the fence, both passionate about their opinions.

 

I think its just frustrating because its so blatantly obvious how the club has been destroyed, yet they chose to ignore and deny it for the sake of loyalty to a man who's done absolutely nothing for this club.

 

Vishai is a legend, and is behind anything good that ever happened to this club, not King Power & not Top.

 

But yeah, i do agree, its just two opposing sides fighting a battle neither is going to win.

 

A boycott won't make Top sell, but i am still behind it, as much as the end result might be pointless.

Don`t get me wrong, we would be better served by energised, more communicative new ownership, no dispute on this.

We just diminish the chances of success by excluding those with differing opinions, whereas greatest success must surely be found reaching a consensus, as far as possible

(There will always be those who don`t want to illicit direct change and content to watch, which is there right)
Not convinced that pointing to migrants/KPFC/happy clappers/not-real-fans achieves anything beyond signalling.

The boycott I tend agree sends a message, and amongst few real options, it seems a best option.