King Power Out

[Ian Nacho]

We just need to survive longer than King Power do which is why staying up was critical but we've even cocked that up. 

[foxile5]

6 hours ago, Ethan RL said:

Myself and a mate of mine were planning on taking a banner to Pompey on Saturday. I assume you can't get banned for taking a banner into another club's away end surely. 

 

I hope I'm not but maybe I'm being thick and they would go to indescribable lengths to identify the person holding such a banner.

With a normal club and stewardship I'd say absolutely no chance.

 

With this lot - god knows. Remember they want to ID you for tickets. They lied (and I mean this directly - it wasn't a mistake or misinformation) to the fanbase about the requirement from UEFA to pick up tickets in order that they could monitor and control. **** knows what they'll do about a banner if they feel like it. 

 

[FoxesTez]

6 hours ago, Ethan RL said:

Myself and a mate of mine were planning on taking a banner to Pompey on Saturday. I assume you can't get banned for taking a banner into another club's away end surely. 

 

I hope I'm not but maybe I'm being thick and they would go to indescribable lengths to identify the person holding such a banner.

If you do just be prepared for some vicious and physical abuse by King Power loyalists. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

With a normal club and stewardship I'd say absolutely no chance.

 

With this lot - god knows. Remember they want to ID you for tickets. They lied (and I mean this directly - it wasn't a mistake or misinformation) to the fanbase about the requirement from UEFA to pick up tickets in order that they could monitor and control. **** knows what they'll do about a banner if they feel like it. 

 

Tbf UFS (the only ones to ever do banners at home where it would be much easier to ban people) have never have bans off the back of anti club/King Power banners.

[1884HF]

8 minutes ago, FoxesTez said:

If you do just be prepared for some vicious and physical abuse by King Power loyalists. 

I hope there any violence is recorded so kpfc can get shown to be the violent aggressors they are

[foxile5]

11 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Tbf UFS (the only ones to ever do banners at home where it would be much easier to ban people) have never have bans off the back of anti club/King Power banners.

That's true enough - though didn't they take all the banners away, in large?

[The Year Of The Fox]

24 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

With a normal club and stewardship I'd say absolutely no chance.

 

With this lot - god knows. Remember they want to ID you for tickets. They lied (and I mean this directly - it wasn't a mistake or misinformation) to the fanbase about the requirement from UEFA to pick up tickets in order that they could monitor and control. **** knows what they'll do about a banner if they feel like it. 

 

These are the same ***** that make you sign a ‘good behaviour agreement’ at the end of your club ban part of which states you won’t slag off the club, players, board on social media

 

 

If you sign that, you’re a dickhead 

[Ethan RL]

1 hour ago, 1884HF said:

love the sound of it - what's on the banner - King power out?

potentially. that is very basic but effective and reduces any ambiguity in any message. people continuously chant against Rudkin but we know what the real issue is.

[Stadt]

44 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Tbf UFS (the only ones to ever do banners at home where it would be much easier to ban people) have never have bans off the back of anti club/King Power banners.

Not directly but ban activity picks up after the more direct banners usually 

[Sly]

People need to realise King Power didn’t give the club its success.

 

Vichai for all the love he receives, also made some very poor decisions at times. Albeit he did re-recruit Pearson so saw some sense after the failures of chucking money at stuff didn’t work. 
 

Pearson built the foundations that the success of this club sat on for 5 - 7 years. 
 

That network of scouting built by Walsh, to find the gems like Vardy, Knockaert, Mahrez, Kante, James, Drinkwater, Kramaric etc wasn’t a mere coincidence. 
 

We had a forward thinking science and rehabilitation team. 
 

We had a togetherness and spirit that most clubs envied. 

 

We won the Premier League because we captured lighting in a bottle and for 12 months we were the best club in the country. King Power didn’t do that. A group of amazing, talented, determined and downplayed professionals like Morgan, Albrighton, Huth, Fuchs, Ulloa etc secured that. 
 

Truth is those foundations were weakened by the time Ranieri was into his 2nd season. Walsh and Pearson long gone. Changes being made to the back room setup. 
 

Puel rebuilt a lot of it and would make an excellent Director of Football. Amongst the snoring and dulcet football, he did a lot right in fairness. I’ll spare him trying to marginalise Vardy. 
 

Brendan had too much power but we still played some of the best football I’ve ever seen under him. He’s so divisive but should have gone 12 - 18 months sooner than he did. He’d be viewed far better by the fan base. He was calling for a refresh, although I don’t think he should have been allowed to do it. 
 

Nepo baby paraded the Championship trophy around on a bus parade with his influencers hanger ons, like he’d secured it himself. That still irritates me now. We should celebrate failure. Maybe I’m old school. 
 

You only need to look at Liverpool now though. The wheels have come off quickly, after all the work Klopp did. Manchester United have never been the same since Ferguson retired. 
 

Manchester City will be the same post Guardiola. 
 

 

 

[FoxesTez]

37 minutes ago, 1884HF said:

I hope there any violence is recorded so kpfc can get shown to be the violent aggressors they are

It’s been recorded in stands at home and away and nothing been done with any kind of the heavy-handedness of bans given to UFS members. 
 

If you do put up a banner get somebody near by to record it, because honestly the reaction will be unpleasant. 

[Wymsey]

Was Filbert Fox 'made in Thailand', too?..

[1884HF]

12 minutes ago, FoxesTez said:

It’s been recorded in stands at home and away and nothing been done with any kind of the heavy-handedness of bans given to UFS members. 
 

If you do put up a banner get somebody near by to record it, because honestly the reaction will be unpleasant. 

I bet that d1ckhead who punched up the young lad for chanting sack the board at sheffield Utd on new years day hasn't received any repercussions 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I agree with you up until your last paragraph. 

You are still sticking by the narrative that Vichai is only being criticised as a f*** you to his son and I have explained why that is not the case. It is simply looking back and reflecting. 
 

You don’t think things like dominating the trophy presentation, picture of Thai king etc are red flags? 
 

The financial nonsense that followed us up to the Premier League originally not a red flag?

 

He did good. He did bad. Like most people I’ll add. Due to the fortuitous events that followed, I’d argue the bad/red flags were brushed under the carpet so it is just brining balance. Nothing to do with his son. 
 

I disagree Pearson and his team were lucky by the way. That was well thought out strategy. 

I was there the day we lighted the trophy and no, don’t seem him wanting to enjoy something he’s put a lot of time and effort into as red flag. 
 

You’re going to have to refresh my memory as I don’t remember anything note worthy that followed us up to the prem. 

 

It’s getting worrying you’re hung up on parading a trophy around as red flag, I’m addressing your points, and  I’ll say for a fifth and final time, he bought the stadium, he cleared existing debts as a far countering green flag. Which no one dispute their other bluster has addressed directly, it’s not a minor detail, it’s big steps for the football club. 
 

Football clubs end up where they are predominantly because of the men running them. We have evidence of this. 
 

its 100% lucky an absolute perfect storm of events. We don’t with the PL with Pearson in charge for a start off because the pressure would have got to him. Raneri was the perfect man manager to implement the footballing tactics Pearson put in place,  Pearson who was sacked because He son filmed a Thai prostitute giving his mate a rim job. 
 

You then have your big six clubs completely fluffing their lines. Not a single one finished on 75 points, the absolute benchmark for winning the league. That’s never happened, ever in PL history apart from that season. 
 

We might have been 5000/1 but if you got yourself down the bookies and bet on Arsenal, Spurs, Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool,  and Chelsea all registering less than 72 points you’d have probably got better odds. That’s never going to happen again. 
 

So it’s a completely moot point saying Vichai was “lucky” everyone was lucky, he did his job, as did the management, and the players, and we won the league, by being the best team over 38 games, and I do believe men should be judged by their achievements and their results. If I interview someone for a job I don’t want to know about their experience anywhere near as much as I want to know what they’ve achieved. 
 

This would not even be a conversation if king power no longer owned the club and it was some other administration making such a hash of this club. We’d all be looking up at the statue wishing for the good old days when King Power were in charge. I will say again, it’s re writing history, and it’s not correct. 
 

 

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Tbf UFS (the only ones to ever do banners at home where it would be much easier to ban people) have never have bans off the back of anti club/King Power banners.

Union fs have been remarkably reserved. 
 

And I think that’s probably my biggest criticism of our so called loyal fans. 
 

Union FS are a organised decent bunch of lads who just want the best for the club and want to generate an atmosphere. They haven’t really been behind any anti king power movements. Did they support them? Yes they did, are they are clever enough to see it’s the right thing to do, yes. Did they organise any of it? No, neither of them. 
 

Some of the action taken against them in person and online this season has been nothing short of vile and I can’t blame them for wanting to take a back seat, in a situation where they shouldn’t feel the need to take a back seat. It’s situation they should feel empowered in by our supporter base to take action and help do what’s right for the football club. 
 

instead you have pricks smashing their drums and pouring abuse at them on twitter. 

[LCFCJohn]

6 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

I was there the day we lighted the trophy and no, don’t seem him wanting to enjoy something he’s put a lot of time and effort into as red flag. 
 

You’re going to have to refresh my memory as I don’t remember anything note worthy that followed us up to the prem. 

 

It’s getting worrying you’re hung up on parading a trophy around as red flag, I’m addressing your points, and  I’ll say for a fifth and final time, he bought the stadium, he cleared existing debts as a far countering green flag. Which no one dispute their other bluster has addressed directly, it’s not a minor detail, it’s big steps for the football club. 
 

Football clubs end up where they are predominantly because of the men running them. We have evidence of this. 
 

its 100% lucky an absolute perfect storm of events. We don’t with the PL with Pearson in charge for a start off because the pressure would have got to him. Raneri was the perfect man manager to implement the footballing tactics Pearson put in place,  Pearson who was sacked because He son filmed a Thai prostitute giving his mate a rim job. 
 

You then have your big six clubs completely fluffing their lines. Not a single one finished on 75 points, the absolute benchmark for winning the league. That’s never happened, ever in PL history apart from that season. 
 

We might have been 5000/1 but if you got yourself down the bookies and bet on Arsenal, Spurs, Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool,  and Chelsea all registering less than 72 points you’d have probably got better odds. That’s never going to happen again. 
 

So it’s a completely moot point saying Vichai was “lucky” everyone was lucky, he did his job, as did the management, and the players, and we won the league, by being the best team over 38 games, and I do believe men should be judged by their achievements and their results. If I interview someone for a job I don’t want to know about their experience anywhere near as much as I want to know what they’ve achieved. 
 

This would not even be a conversation if king power no longer owned the club and it was some other administration making such a hash of this club. We’d all be looking up at the statue wishing for the good old days when King Power were in charge. I will say again, it’s re writing history, and it’s not correct. 
 

 

 

 

Well I am no more hung up on stuff I have said like the trophy lift, Thai king parade, financial shenanigans around our promotion etc than you are about the stadium, clearing debts. As I said, there are some good and some bad which is what I have said numerous times. You haven’t really addressed my point that all I have said is he is not some saint who did no wrong and who was solely responsible for our achievements.

 

You have used the word worried. Why does it worry you what I and others think? You have your opinion that he was great. I have mine. All about the opinions and debate. Doesn’t mean I respect anything else you post on the forum any less for it, even if I don’t agree with you on this.

 

The whole bit about the luck involved is countering a point I have never made as I have never said that was not the case. I agree Pearson wouldn’t have guided us to the title because like you say, it was a perfect storm and if you change a single thing about a perfect storm, it doesn’t happen. Maybe if Ranieri hadn’t bought them pizza it wouldn’t have happened! (Ok maybe a too small detail)! But I was just saying, nothing Pearson did in his time here was lucky as it was all meticulously planned and considered.

 

Thats my point really. There’s always luck involved in football but if you have a strong strategy like a Bloom/Benham or you recruit the right people to run things, you are making your own luck. Whereas we are seemingly in agreement accepting that Vichai was never a football brain but he appointed Rudkin….As I have said numerous times myself, the success becomes tied to the manager. Pearson namely but even Puel/Macia had a vision. A successful club that wants to remain so, needs that approach from a consistent level above and managerial appointments fit in with this. You can see this with how our appointments flipped flopped around even following the title win.
 

I’m not saying we’d have fallen as hard and as fast, even as low as we have under Vichai. But the transfer strategy was already all over the place, contracts handed out going up and commercially we were no better. I think we were in trouble either way but Vichai was of course a better businessman as I have acknowledged and would likely have made more decisive decisions to counteract it. Would he have removed Rudkin? Who knows.

 

On your last paragraph, I do tend to agree but don’t agree that it means rewriting history or using it as a reason to attack Aiyawatt. I think there were things that were just ignored and swept under the rug because we were doing well. If a new administration had taken over after the accident in 2018, and KP had left the club, I think there’d have been no reason for people

to revisit what happened before. As it is, his son has tanked us (something I believe you do agree with and feel strongly about) and we have many fans basically using his fathers era to justify not criticising his running of the club now. So if it causes people to think back, I would say it is because of his running of the club and the insistence on defending him, but not to attack him nor rewrite history which to me implies making up events that didn’t happen.

 

The other relevance is, unless you think the behaviour of the fans who won’t hear a word against Aiyawatt is normal, you’d accept there’s somewhat of a cult following developed around KP. Would you agree? If so, it’s relevant as you can definitely trace this type of KP first messaging dating back much before 2018. As I say, we just collectively ignored it.

[Sly]

It’s also worth mention that the stadium isn’t owned by Leicester City Football Club. 
 

It’s owned by a King Power holding company, with it being on hire purchase. The balance of that is due to be paid in June / July from memory. 
 

I can see that being kicked down the road again. 
 

That stadium is not an asset if we go under at the end of the season.

[FoxesTez]

37 minutes ago, Sly said:

It’s also worth mention that the stadium isn’t owned by Leicester City Football Club. 
 

It’s owned by a King Power holding company, with it being on hire purchase. The balance of that is due to be paid in June / July from memory. 
 

I can see that being kicked down the road again. 
 

That stadium is not an asset if we go under at the end of the season.

It’s already been extended to June 2036, it was in the subsequent events of the latest accounts. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

9 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Union fs have been remarkably reserved. 
 

And I think that’s probably my biggest criticism of our so called loyal fans. 
 

Union FS are a organised decent bunch of lads who just want the best for the club and want to generate an atmosphere. They haven’t really been behind any anti king power movements. Did they support them? Yes they did, are they are clever enough to see it’s the right thing to do, yes. Did they organise any of it? No, neither of them. 
 

Some of the action taken against them in person and online this season has been nothing short of vile and I can’t blame them for wanting to take a back seat, in a situation where they shouldn’t feel the need to take a back seat. It’s situation they should feel empowered in by our supporter base to take action and help do what’s right for the football club. 
 

instead you have pricks smashing their drums and pouring abuse at them on twitter. 

Clever way to wrap up criticism as a compliment. I think the people involved in the protest chat (yourself included) are finding out first hand that mobilising this fanbase is next to impossible. Is it proving harder than you were expecting?

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

It’s also worth mention that the stadium isn’t owned by Leicester City Football Club. 
 

It’s owned by a King Power holding company, with it being on hire purchase. The balance of that is due to be paid in June / July from memory. 
 

I can see that being kicked down the road again. 
 

That stadium is not an asset if we go under at the end of the season.

I didn’t want to comment on something I wasn’t knowledgable on but I did wonder this. Owning the stadium is only a good thing if the club is protected by it. If it is something that in the event of administration is not an asset or they Aiyawatt could play hardball with and withhold out of spite, it’s not very helpful. In fact we’d probably be better off if it was rented from the council!

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Clever way to wrap up criticism as a compliment. I think the people involved in the protest chat (yourself included) are finding out first hand that mobilising this fanbase is next to impossible. Is it proving harder than you were expecting?

it’s honestly not, for me to criticise them id have to see something they could actually do differently with the amount of hostility they have received is ridiculous. 
 

And yeah, disappointingly, hard to argue with you on your second point. 

[MattFox]

 

[HankMarvin]

19 hours ago, Sly said:

People need to realise King Power didn’t give the club its success

But the success doesn’t happened without the significant investment we spent about 2m in two seasons prior to their involvement 

[Sly]

5 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

But the success doesn’t happened without the significant investment we spent about 2m in two seasons prior to their involvement 

For anything in business to work, you do the basics really well. 
 

So many companies fail because they don’t do this.

 

What Nigel did, in all honesty was come in, take a look around and sort the mess out on stuff that wasn’t working.

 

Throwing money at stuff isn’t always the way forward. We saw that under the reign of Sven / King Power. 
 

The likes of Bournemouth, Brentford etc didn’t have the Cash or draw we had, however we will most likely find ourselves sitting 40 - 50 odd places lower than them in the footballing pyramid next season. 

[HankMarvin]

18 minutes ago, Sly said:

For anything in business to work, you do the basics really well. 
 

So many companies fail because they don’t do this.

 

What Nigel did, in all honesty was come in, take a look around and sort the mess out on stuff that wasn’t working.

 

Throwing money at stuff isn’t always the way forward. We saw that under the reign of Sven / King Power. 
 

The likes of Bournemouth, Brentford etc didn’t have the Cash or draw we had, however we will most likely find ourselves sitting 40 - 50 odd places lower than them in the footballing pyramid next season. 

But they were still throwing money away under Pearson and taking a punt. 

After investing £100m they were spending £36m on wages with £31m turnover. 

That continuously allowed them to strengthen even picking up Mahrez mid season even though they were exceeding FFP those figures simply don’t happen under Mandaric. 
Pearson laid the foundations, but without the finances it wouldn’t have happened.

Edited 13 April by HankMarvin