Players not coming over to the fans

[Clogger_]

Even if the management and players think the reaction of fans is unreasonable*, they should have the courtesy and cajones to show appreciation for the travelling support. Yes, even those happy clappers! Pathetic and weak not to do so.

 

[*And the reaction was *entirely* reasonable given the abject performance]

[Tommy Fresh]

59 minutes ago, Viva said:

Yes at some points you have to take risks. The spending of money in the January we got relegated was one of them and then spending money to get back at the first attempt was the other. One paid off, one didn’t. 
If we get relegated this season, our finances will be nowhere near as bad as the last time we went down. The wage bill is lower and one or two of the very high years of losses will be off the three year cycle for PSR.  

So they could easily take a risk this January then

[Tommy Fresh]

53 minutes ago, Viva said:

Yesterday was poor. As was Wolves. If the players got booed at the end of each of those matches, I wouldn’t have an issue. 
My main point, is the massive overreaction every time we lose any game on here. Most losses are to be expected in our position. 
 

Booing players during matches, when players get subbed on or off,  singing about being crap and getting relegated, just isn’t going to help anything. Thats the plain fact of it. 

You seem to think that people should only take issue with the current issue, and not the context of why we're now back to being a side desperate for safety.

[Winstonthedog]

1 hour ago, Viva said:

Yesterday was poor. As was Wolves. If the players got booed at the end of each of those matches, I wouldn’t have an issue. 
My main point, is the massive overreaction every time we lose any game on here. Most losses are to be expected in our position. 
 

Booing players during matches, when players get subbed on or off,  singing about being crap and getting relegated, just isn’t going to help anything. Thats the plain fact of it. 

I don't see it as an overreaction... when you have supported the club over many years through thick - thin and thinner you react to what you see before you ... and not just clap for anything .... the only way to gauge the state of the club is by the reaction ... and the club must respect that ... not expect an attitude of pay your money and keep quiet / clap for any dross that is served up .... because by doing nothing ... nothing changes

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Viva said:

Yesterday was poor. As was Wolves. If the players got booed at the end of each of those matches, I wouldn’t have an issue. 
My main point, is the massive overreaction every time we lose any game on here. Most losses are to be expected in our position. 
 

Booing players during matches, when players get subbed on or off,  singing about being crap and getting relegated, just isn’t going to help anything. Thats the plain fact of it. 

I don't think you can call out people for over reacting when you have lost 8 of the last 9 conceding 23 and scoring 4 goals

 

 

[Winstonthedog]

25 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I don't think you can call out people for over reacting when you have lost 8 of the last 9 conceding 23 and scoring 4 goals

 

 

Exactly.... what do the club seriously expect ... a lot of the current fans have only really experienced good times and they can't understand why some longer serving fans react the way they do .... its called passion for your club 

[Viva]

1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

So they could easily take a risk this January then

You think if we spent £50m we would stay up? I’d say probably not. We would then be in a right mess with points deductions and a future transfer embargo in the Championship. Now is not the time to be overspending. We’ll have a strong squad if we got relegated, to have a decent chance of promotion next season. 

[Viva]

1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

You seem to think that people should only take issue with the current issue, and not the context of why we're now back to being a side desperate for safety.

I get the feeling people will still be going about the context of why we aren’t a top five team anymore even if we become a mid table Premier League team. 
 

[blue army 1988]

1 minute ago, Viva said:

You think if we spent £50m we would stay up? I’d say probably not. We would then be in a right mess with points deductions and a future transfer embargo in the Championship. Now is not the time to be overspending. We’ll have a strong squad if we got relegated, to have a decent chance of promotion next season. 

Already could be a points deduction and transfer embargo with what we have when we go down.

We will be in a massive mess.

[Viva]

Just now, blue army 1988 said:

Already could be a points deduction and transfer embargo with what we have when we go down.

We will be in a massive mess.

I’ll be amazed if we get a transfer embargo. They can’t do us for 2023-24 as we have been found to be inside the rules. 
So it’s only that historical breach. 
We only got a transfer embargo before because we refused to give them our current finances and predictions for that season. 
If we are inside the rules next season, that won’t be an issue. 
We could end up at most I would have thought with a token couple of points deduction for the historical breach. I think we’ll get out of that too though. 

[Tommy Fresh]

46 minutes ago, Viva said:

You think if we spent £50m we would stay up? I’d say probably not. We would then be in a right mess with points deductions and a future transfer embargo in the Championship. Now is not the time to be overspending. We’ll have a strong squad if we got relegated, to have a decent chance of promotion next season. 

You could argue last time we went down was time for a proper reset, rather than gambling and potentially not coming back up and being stuck with Coady etc. But because it worked you won't say that as the risk paid of, but what if it hadn't?

 

[Tommy Fresh]

46 minutes ago, Viva said:

I get the feeling people will still be going about the context of why we aren’t a top five team anymore even if we become a mid table Premier League team. 
 

Because it's still a huge mismanagement of the club isn't it, but if we did get to that stage it would probably be through the very unlikely action that they've learnt from their mistakes and rectified the issues.

[LCFCJohn]

3 hours ago, Viva said:

Yesterday was poor. As was Wolves. If the players got booed at the end of each of those matches, I wouldn’t have an issue. 
My main point, is the massive overreaction every time we lose any game on here. Most losses are to be expected in our position. 
 

Booing players during matches, when players get subbed on or off,  singing about being crap and getting relegated, just isn’t going to help anything. Thats the plain fact of it. 

I understand what you are saying and in many cases I’d agree.

 

You still seem to be missing the point that everyone is making that it is not about losing or expecting to win much more. It is about what is happening in the club more widely and the manner in which we lose. Do you think 0-3 at home to Wolves or 4-0 yesterday and the manner of the goals conceded yesterday should just be shrugged off and ‘are to be expected’?

 

As for booing. You talk about plain facts.

 

Plain fact 1. The players are paid eye watering amounts to put in zero effort and put in embarrassing displays like yesterday whilst fans pay hard earned money to travel up and down the country to support them.

 

Plain fact 2. The players can directly affect what happens on the pitch. Fans can’t. Yes we can support them but even when we do, they still show nothing. Whilst it is a two way street, the balance of power to affect what is happening on the pitch sits with the players and manager, not the fans.

 

Those factors taken into account, I would say it is not unreasonable to suggest the onus sits with the players to change the dynamic and not just slink off down the tunnel due to getting some deserved criticism.

[inckley fox]

4 hours ago, Viva said:

Yes at some points you have to take risks. The spending of money in the January we got relegated was one of them and then spending money to get back at the first attempt was the other. One paid off, one didn’t. 
If we get relegated this season, our finances will be nowhere near as bad as the last time we went down. The wage bill is lower and one or two of the very high years of losses will be off the three year cycle for PSR.  

As bad as our finances were, we still managed to spend huge sums on players we didn't really need. And while the finances may be better now, I still think we're roughly mid-table for PL wages, unless I'm mistaken. So the situations aren't entirely dissimilar. If we spend big on PL cast-offs when we go down and build a side around players who took us down, then any promotion with that side would be as futile as it was this time round. We'd be giving ourselves too much to do in terms of replacing substandard players in a short window of time, and with limited resources.

 

I disagree that Enzo built good foundations, and that the gamble on splashing out for an instant return paid off. Much of the spending was unhelpful and left us with too much work to do this summer (needing two first choice CBs, a CM, to make the Fatawu deal permanent and sign a new starting striker was way beyond our resources). Even the playing style was going to need seriously looking at. We were sold a dream that we could be a budding Manchester City, play glorious football and storm the league with a squad packed with PL talent, but no thought was given to what came next. While I have no gripes about the manager himself, who did exactly what he was brought in to do, the Maresca era is part of the problem rather than an indication of how wonderful things are when Top gets it right.

 

Bearing in mind that, as you say elsewhere, we could well evade punishment for a hefty spend last season, doesn't it also indicate that we could have been a bit more conservative in our spending; recruited, assembled and developed players that other clubs couldn't have attracted on lower wages, and in doing so given ourselves a serious long-term project? It might have taken an extra year or two, but if - as some believe - we could yet skirt PSR for last year then I see no reason why instant promotion was as essential as you've suggested at times. At some point we're going to have to build the squad more thoroughly and more equitably, and success might not be immediate. 

 

For the most part, what we've done is to kick the problem a couple of years down the line.

[Viva]

1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

You could argue last time we went down was time for a proper reset, rather than gambling and potentially not coming back up and being stuck with Coady etc. But because it worked you won't say that as the risk paid of, but what if it hadn't?

 

If it hadn’t worked, I think we could have been struggling at the bottom end of the Championship now, playing the kids. We would have had a transfer embargo for potentially a long time, with points deductions. We would have been in a similar mess whether we spent any money in the Championship or not though, if we didn’t get promoted. 
If we get relegated this season, the financial situation will not be anywhere near as bad. 

[cruzFOX]

Well bugger me. Feels like we are all slowly surrendering to the realization we are destined for relegation. Time to brace ourselves as confidence vanishes and we get pumped every week. Question is have the team left it too late for any real kind of fight back?

[beepee1984]

17 hours ago, cruzFOX said:

Well bugger me. Feels like we are all slowly surrendering to the realization we are destined for relegation. Time to brace ourselves as confidence vanishes and we get pumped every week. Question is have the team left it too late for any real kind of fight back?

Have you seen any evidence that this group of players have an ounce of fight in them?

[richardsfoxes]

Is there anything to like about this football club at the moment? 

[LCFCJohn]

2 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

Is there anything to like about this football club at the moment? 

It seems extreme and negative to say but no. I really can’t think of one despite trying. 
 

Even the KPFC lot only seem to be able to point to past glories.

 

In the current day, not one single thing about or area of the club is a positive. 

[SemperEadem]

7 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

Is there anything to like about this football club at the moment? 

Im struggling to think of one. 

It is not healthy to hate hate all the time. But the only thing I can think of was they offered my lad to see Filbert the Fox, the was though after banning me for a year.

 

 

You would hope they do some decent community outreach programmes in the city.

Edited 3 February by SemperEadem

[Danizen]

I really fvcking hate it when players post 'we go again' on their socials. It's such a shit clichéd thing to say that has no real  meaning. 

 

Of course you'll go again. You're contractually obliged to. Go as many times as you like. It won't change the performance or the result. 

[BenTheFox]

On 03/02/2025 at 09:09, richardsfoxes said:

Is there anything to like about this football club at the moment? 

The only thing they've done recently that I liked was making the ground look a bit more like our home with the trophies that we've won throughout our history posted around the exterior of the stadium. It's a very very small thing, I know. 

[BenTheFox]

On 03/02/2025 at 09:09, richardsfoxes said:

Is there anything to like about this football club at the moment? 

What is interesting about this is that through much of the King Power ownership we saw the club becoming more sanitised and much less resembling the Leicester that many of us grew up with. Whether it be King Power being plastered all over the stadium, the elephant statues that were outside the club shop just over a decade ago, clappers, light shows, charging families hundreds of pounds for their kids to be mascots, tickets not being available for general sale for games that were not sold out, Thai flags being on club merchandise, a club produced tifo with Vichai's face on for his birthday, gold being on the home kits regularly, messaging for the new Thai king on the scoreboard etc. These things are understandably more widely tolerated and even embraced/celebrated when things are going well on the pitch. However, when things aren't going well on the pitch you suddenly realise that the club has become very sanitised and a bit soulless and ultimately, not very likeable. 

 

I'm not going to shit on the King Power ownership completely. They gave Nigel Pearson time and allowed him to put his plan into action they wrote off millions of debt in 13/14, players of the title-winning era have said that the ownership helped create an atmosphere that allowed them to thrive, and although it hasn't bared fruit as of yet, they invested in a new state of the art training facility. What is interesting is the good things the King Power ownership had done that I've mentioned came pre-October 2018. I know we had a good few years after that but those foundations were already in place. Rodgers was on their radar while Vichai was still alive and plans for the new training ground were well underway. 

[jayfox26]

4 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

What is interesting about this is that through much of the King Power ownership we saw the club becoming more sanitised and much less resembling the Leicester that many of us grew up with. Whether it be King Power being plastered all over the stadium, the elephant statues that were outside the club shop just over a decade ago, clappers, light shows, charging families hundreds of pounds for their kids to be mascots, tickets not being available for general sale for games that were not sold out, Thai flags being on club merchandise, a club produced tifo with Vichai's face on for his birthday, gold being on the home kits regularly, messaging for the new Thai king on the scoreboard etc. These things are understandably more widely tolerated and even embraced/celebrated when things are going well on the pitch. However, when things aren't going well on the pitch you suddenly realise that the club has become very sanitised and a bit soulless and ultimately, not very likeable. 

 

I'm not going to shit on the King Power ownership completely. They gave Nigel Pearson time and allowed him to put his plan into action they wrote off millions of debt in 13/14, players of the title-winning era have said that the ownership helped create an atmosphere that allowed them to thrive, and although it hasn't bared fruit as of yet, they invested in a new state of the art training facility. What is interesting is the good things the King Power ownership had done that I've mentioned came pre-October 2018. I know we had a good few years after that but those foundations were already in place. Rodgers was on their radar while Vichai was still alive and plans for the new training ground were well underway. 

Others have disagreed with me but I honestly feel we wouldn't be in this mess if Vichai was still here. He was a major business man and he would not have tolerated the mistakes made by people at the club that would have ultimately cost him money if he was still here. Yes he hired Whelan and Rudkin but I'm sure he'd have easily fired them as well if he was here to witness their abject failure to run the club. I feel Vichai would have overseen things more and had his eye on the ball as opposed to Top who has ultimately allowed others to run the club into the ground with no consequences.

[BenTheFox]

18 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

Others have disagreed with me but I honestly feel we wouldn't be in this mess if Vichai was still here. He was a major business man and he would not have tolerated the mistakes made by people at the club that would have ultimately cost him money if he was still here. Yes he hired Whelan and Rudkin but I'm sure he'd have easily fired them as well if he was here to witness their abject failure to run the club. I feel Vichai would have overseen things more and had his eye on the ball as opposed to Top who has ultimately allowed others to run the club into the ground with no consequences.

We'll obviously never know. Let's not act like there weren't baffling things that occurred at the club while Vichai was chairman. Giving Shakespeare the job full-time (I have sympathy on that one. Had they appointed someone else instead and it gone badly, people would have asked why Shakey wasn't just appointed), the Pearson sacking and immediate reinstatement in 2015, the Adrien Silva saga, the summer recruitment of 2016 etc.

 

I do truly believe that it wouldn't have gotten this bad though. I'm with you on that. 

Edited 4 February by BenTheFox