Ben Dawson and Danny Alcock - Left the club

[Wink84]

36 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

If the club is responding to our current situation by sacking people but none of those people are Ruud, it suggests they don't think the problem is him. I suspect Ruud has asked for this to happen because he wants to bring his own people in during the summer.

Or he's fell out with them? He has previous for that too.

[coolhandfox]

7 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Disagree with this. Maybe the ONLY positive thing coaching wise about this season is that defensively on set pieces, we have been pretty good. If we were as bad as we were in 2022 this time round, we might be chasing Sheffield United's most amount of goals conceded in the league record. We kept Arsenal at bay recently through clever coaching, IE using our short players to block Gabriel's runs, so that our physical players could respond to him if the ball made it that far.

 

Offensively, our set pieces have not been great, but we don't really have any players that are good at taking them. El Khannouss you'd think would be, but the results show otherwise. And we actually have scored some set pieces, Vestergaard agaisnt Fulham, Ayew with the last minute winner against Southampton.

 

Stever Cooper was a bad appointment, but hiring this guy and restoring Soumare to the first team were IMO good decisions in the context of the trainwreck that is this campaign.

I agree we don't have the profile of players to be efficient at attacking set pieces 

[FoxFossil]

Senior players talked to Top. Didn't like being asked to run about in training, interfered with checking their on- line bank balances.

[Wink84]

21 minutes ago, thegaffa said:

I said a while back that I think Ruud was possibly brought here due to his successful stint as a youth team coach/manager, and that may be the route the club may look to take with regards to using the academy next season.

 

From a financial aspect and a possible club reset, maybe that’s what it could be 🤷‍♂️

Makes sense considering he's playing an attack with a combined age of 102

[coolhandfox]

22 minutes ago, thegaffa said:

I said a while back that I think Ruud was possibly brought here due to his successful stint as a youth team coach/manager, and that may be the route the club may look to take with regards to using the academy next season.

 

From a financial aspect and a possible club reset, maybe that’s what it could be 🤷‍♂️

Is this the same RVN who picks dad's army every game? 

 

He's been piss poor at using our youth players.

Edited 24 February by coolhandfox

[RedSoxUK]

Too many """tactical""" coaches when King got promoted up and Brian Barry-Murphy signed.

 

Imagine they really have served a notice period and we've just gradually been replacing them.

 

Expecting nobody to come in and no noise on Ruud. It'll be this lot till the end of the season.

[Happy Fox]

We have missed the boat with Rene Meulensteen will be part of Robin Van Persie's coaching team at Feyenoord. That leaves the likes of Fred Rutten available..

[ian__marshall]

Wonder if we'll see movement on Ruud this afternoon. Looks like a settlement of sorts. Maybe the older coaches are the first to go/be announced and a severance deal is being worked on with Ruud. Seems odd that the board would single out a few coaches but not move on the guy overseeing their day to day work. Then again nothing would surprise me with us these days. 

Edited 24 February by ian__marshall

[DezFox]

31 minutes ago, Patrick said:

I've heard from someone who is definitely ITK that the players have been refusing to do additional coaching sessions on set pieces, so the set piece issues might be due to these lazy players rather than his talents as a coach.

Really? If this is true. That is true ku mental. What is the point of any of it then? How ITK is your source? 
 

if players are consistently conceding from set peices and not scoring from them why would they not want o practice this? Baffling if true. Does the manager not have any say in this? 

[Happy Fox]

Just now, ian__marshall said:

Wonder if we'll see movement on Ruud this afternoon. Looks like a settlement of sorts. Maybe the older coaches are the first to go/be announced and a severance deal is being worked in with Ruud. Seems odd that the board would single out a few coaches but not move on the guy overseeing their day to day work. Then again nothing would surprise me with us these days. 

 

Doubt it mate, otherwise the Dutch GK coach would have also departed?

[Stevosevic]

Sounds like support of Ruud to me, although 3 months too late. 

[pkonline]

If they are intending to sack RVN, why would they announce the coaches beforehand? Makes no sense. Usually it'd be the manager and same announcement and single line to mention the rest of the team.

[ian__marshall]

1 minute ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Doubt it mate, otherwise the Dutch GK coach would have also departed?

Yeah, I think you're right. But aren't the coaches normally brought in by the manager usually treated in-line with the terms of the manager? I.e. kind of come as a team when sorting severance. Would explain why these two have gone first as they were around beforehand. Only thing makes me think RVN may be safe is that logically you'd move the manager on first then sort out the rest, but as mentioned with the incompetence of our board anything could happen. 

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, Stevosevic said:

Sounds like support of Ruud to me, although 3 months too late. 

 

January transfer window was very supportive! 

[pkonline]

To be fair, our coaches do seem rubbish. How many players actually improve when they come to us?

[Pita]

The club have started in the wrong place should start at the top so they can solve our problems 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 minute ago, pkonline said:

To be fair, our coaches do seem rubbish. How many players actually improve when they come to us?

Most of the time they get much worse.

[J. James]

1 hour ago, phoneticerror said:

 

Or he’s next and a new manager is coming in and demanding they bring their own staff?

Precisely my first thought too.

[Bordersfox]

Totally underwhelmed with RVN, but not having your own team in place in this sort of high profile, high pressure job is utterly bizarre and totally counterproductive. 

 

I just don't understand any decisions being made by the club anymore.  It almost feels like self sabotage.  

[SafewayFox]

19 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Disagree with this. Maybe the ONLY positive thing coaching wise about this season is that defensively on set pieces, we have been pretty good. If we were as bad as we were in 2022 this time round, we might be chasing Sheffield United's most amount of goals conceded in the league record. We kept Arsenal at bay recently through clever coaching, IE using our short players to block Gabriel's runs, so that our physical players could respond to him if the ball made it that far.

 

Offensively, our set pieces have not been great, but we don't really have any players that are good at taking them. El Khannouss you'd think would be, but the results show otherwise. And we actually have scored some set pieces, Vestergaard agaisnt Fulham, Ayew with the last minute winner against Southampton.

 

Stever Cooper was a bad appointment, but hiring this guy and restoring Soumare to the first team were IMO good decisions in the context of the trainwreck that is this campaign.

I love your analysis but genuinely can’t think of what Bouba has offered.

 

He looks more mobile (dare I say fitter) but I genuinely can’t wait to see the back of the big lump.

 

Doesn’t create, doesn’t offer much protection. Pretty much living off that run against Ipswich.

[AjcW]

I'm not usually one to moderate... or blow my own trumpet on a theory .... but it being exactly 3 months to the day cooper left points more towards two blokes working their notice period whilst we got BBM and King into the coaching set up than anything more untoward. Might be worth locking this? 

 

As much as others have said "what have they stayed for 3 months for" can you imagine how pissed off we'd be as fans if Ruud has spent the last three months opperating with his GK coach mate, a set piece guy and no one else?  

[Stuntman_Mike]

Scapegoats 

[Bordersfox]

13 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I agree we don't have the profile of players to be efficient at attacking set pieces 

This began under Rodgers.  We have increasingly becoming a team of light weights and weaklings, physically and mentally.  Most of the best teams in the league, even possession heavy ones, have some physically dominant players. 

 

We have Faes powder puffing his way into an aggressive challenge which he doesn't win leaving us horribly exposed behind him etc etc 

 

I was hoping Okoli might be that man but he appears to have difficulties heading and kicking a round object.  

[Fox1norfolk]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

Makes me think Ruud isn’t going anywhere soon and will be getting his own proper backroom team

 

Would be very weird to announce these 2 have gone and then also announce Ruud has gone separately

It’s a bit weird RVN did not bring in his own staff when he agreed to join, which is kinda the norm

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Onions said:

Why are we avoiding the big picture, Ruud is the issue. 
 

It doesn’t matter who we bring in, we’re doomed under RVN. 

How could you possibly think that a man not trusted with his own staff that has only been here for 3 months and wasn't backed in the transfer window is the big picture?