Recruitment

[Les-TA-Jon]

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Coaching staff draw up a list and liaise with the recruitment department as to what player profiles they want, and sometimes add examples. Usually it’s identifies in shortfalls within the squad. 
 

The recruitment team go away a scout for those profiles, they then draw up a list of A, B and C. The coaching staff and Manager then look over the list and agree / make any amendments. The manager will then ultimately sign off on the players he wants off the lists. The list then goes to Top, who will sign that off, he will then pass it to John Rudkin who will negotiate the deals. 
 

It’s been the same for ages and it’s how it runs now. Cooper was given the brief of survival at all costs, so he placed emphasis on experienced players, with one stellar young signing. 
 

The best evidence of this working is Maresca, he was able to articulate exactly what he wanted, and we went and got it. 
 

Last year’s window was brilliant, and that exactly how it should and can work. What happens when it goes wrong is what happened under Cooper, but it wasn’t entirely his own fault because he was given a brief and worked off this brief. 
 

It’s a collective approach, but largely falls in the hands of the Manager, Coaching staff and scouts. And then to Rudkin to negotiate the deals. 

Last year still 'wasted' £7.5-£8.5m on Coady and £7.5m on Cannon...

[mozartfox]

As long as we retain Ayew and Vesty - I am confident..........of a long stay in the EFL.

[inckley fox]

1 minute ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Last year still 'wasted' £7.5-£8.5m on Coady and £7.5m on Cannon...

The hefty sum on Winks worked well for the Championship, until the New Year at least, but if the idea was that he formed part of a new backbone to the team for a return to the PL (and if you're paying those sums in the FLC, as with Coady and Cannon, it should really be with one eye on what comes next) then that was another dud. 

 

I honestly don't think we can be too complimentary about our business that summer. Yes, we went up, but that always had far more to do with inherited talent than with shrewd recruitment. The team-building was quite poor and left us with too much work to do when we got promoted.

 

The jury's out on Fatawu at the top level and Mavididi hasn't cut it. That's the best part of 20m dedicated to wingers - almost our only transfer outlay on those positions for years - meaning we had zero left in the kitty for those positions this year, after the botched attempt at replacing KDH with Skipp.

 

Hermansen did well in the FLC and early on in this season. In spite of his poor form now, we'll make a profit on him and he'd appear to be an example of good recruitment, even if there have to remain some question marks about him at this level.

 

Coady came in for a big fee, presumably with a view to him replacing either Faes or Vestergard at CB, and being a key player. He wasn't, and he hasn't been much use in the PL either.

 

Cannon was a poor signing, offered us nothing. We got our money back for him, but that's the best you can say.

 

Of the loanees, Doyle did well early on but lost his place, and is still playing at that level. Casedei was poor. Akgun wasn't good enough.

 

So, for an outlay of nearly 60m, we got a decent enough keeper, a winger who is good in the FLC but not good enough in the PL, another winger who may or may not be a bit better than that, a midfielder who was good at first in the second tier, fell away, and became an utterly hopeless, half-arsed troublemaker the moment we went up, an even more pointless CB, a flop of a striker, and some negligible loanees.

 

If that's brilliant (and it's not) then Cooper's transfer business would also require positive reassessment, even though it doesn't especially deserve it. After all, it's roughly the same outlay on players (if we consider that the Fatawu signing was largely agreed in advance), and his options were severely limited by the financial chaos at the club.

 

Everyone seems to think Okoli should be in the side. Bilal is highly rated by fans. Ayew and Reid cost next to nothing, and were only intended as back-up to the wingers who we'd actually parted with significant sums for (a purpose which they might have fulfilled if Mavididi had stepped up, and Fatawu had both avoided injury and improved on his early displays). And fans are always telling us that Facundo should be a starter, and was our best performer until Ruud got his hands on him. That leaves Skipp - and Edouard - as the only straightforward sticks you can beat Cooper with.

 

And, just to underline how poor our recruitment has been for years (including in 2023), it's not clear that Cooper wanted Skipp, Edouard or even Okoli. He overlooked all three repeatedly. And the fact that, in his defence, Maresca never seemed interested in Coady or Cannon only seems to emphasise that our post and pre-2023 recruitment issues were also perfectly evident in that solitary, not-so-brilliant-after-all summer.

[JimJams]

3 hours ago, filbertway said:

 

Really weird time to decide you need to sign that full back, so you're probably right. Not easily explained with regular logic though, this is special Leicester logic

 

Had to get him in before we became a Champ club! 

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Last year still 'wasted' £7.5-£8.5m on Coady and £7.5m on Cannon...

You’re never going to get everything right. On paper Coady was a good signing.

[South Shire Fox]

Basically ‘Premier league experience’ is what Cooper used to wank himself off about. He is the reason we signed a load of over the hill crap on big wages who we wont be able to shift

[JimJams]

14 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

On paper Coady was a good signing.

Hard disagree there.

[Winstonthedog]

3 hours ago, Foxes1 said:

What normally happens is

Manager says I want this player

The player and agent go to Rudkin and say my player wants £40000 per week,

To which Rudkin replies we can't give him that per week, how about £80000 per week.

Job done.

And a 3 year contract .... and when that's done you can just trot off for free .... thats what we usually do 

[TheGoldenGod]

2 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Hard disagree there.

Before he broke his foot last game of pre season (his first injury ever by the way), Enzo had plans of him starting and possibly being captain. Think at the time most thought it was smart business.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

We go out and think ‘how can we waste the most money in the shortest space of time?’

[Bablemikey]

I would love to see a list of the squad players & their contract expirations. Are we expecting any to move in their last year or are we again just waiting for some to go on a free? We do have a couple of saleable assets in Bilal and Mads, but beyond that I question whether anyone will come in for the others given their wages, and that will severely restrict what rebuild we can do. 

[Pliskin]

23 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Hard disagree there.

Come off it, he was. He was viewed as a leader….. it’s easy to sit here now and say it was a poor signing, because it hasn’t worked out….. could have been different. 

[JimJams]

20 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Before he broke his foot last game of pre season (his first injury ever by the way), Enzo had plans of him starting and possibly being captain. Think at the time most thought it was smart business.

I didn't. Said at the time I couldn't understand why we were paying that kind of fee when Dyche who'd had him on loan and an option to buy at 5mill, whilst losing Tarkowski on a free with Everton short of defensive options made sense for us to pay more in the division below. 

We did need leadership.  But not at that price in that guise.

[JimJams]

5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Come off it, he was. He was viewed as a leader….. it’s easy to sit here now and say it was a poor signing, because it hasn’t worked out….. could have been different. 

As above. 

I crystal balled it.

 

Though I thought Daka would be good so I'm not claiming to be some sort of oracle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I definitely am though... 

 

[trooky]

3 hours ago, em9999 said:

The manager should be the only one who decides who to sign.. all this DOF nonsense 🙄  drives me insane 

The you end up with shit like BDR and Ayew

[Bluearmyfox28]

6 hours ago, OnlyOneCity said:

Can somebody please enlighten me as to how players are acquired. Does the manager say I want so and so, try and get him; does he say I want a striker/CB and is presented with a list of 3 or 4 to choose from, or does he have no say at all.

Simplistic process overall…. Scouts identify and suggest targets to head of recruitment, monthly scouting meetings will take place to identify potential targets.

 

Manager will inform DOF and head of recruitment of what’s wanted and style of player… shortlist will be drawn up based on budget available.

 

Manager & Head of recruitment will watch footage sent by scouts of targets, with the manager identifying which players he would be happy to have.

 

DOF attempts to negotiate a deal (This is the stage we are terrible at). If the selling club is open to negotiating they’ll often give the buying club permission to speak to the player directly regarding a move (usually they just speak through the agents anyway).

[em9999]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

The you end up with shit like BDR and Ayew

Get a good manager in and let him make the decisions 

[HankMarvin]

6 hours ago, slymunn said:

I believe he was on the list of players Enzo was looking at for this season. He signed Coulibaly for Parma, so could be something in that?

Makes sense, sign a player a manager wanted that left 8 months before.
 

Scouting team showing their worth. 

[slymunn]

7 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Makes sense, sign a player a manager wanted that left 8 months before.
 

Scouting team showing their worth. 

 

[HankMarvin]

12 minutes ago, slymunn said:

 

Great story, if the bloke had gone on to play and be picked. 
basically enzo recommended another lemon that couldn’t get in a team that lost 15 from 17

[cityfanlee23]

Manager says he wants to strengthen position, scouts find players, manager has final say, Rudkin is then invited in to do the negotiation.
 

 

[sdb]

6 hours ago, Soar Fox said:

We look at whoever Southampton want to get rid off and then just buy them.

That's a bit simplistic and immature tbh.

 

We look at whoever Southampton want to get rid off and then negotiate the best possible deal for the south coast outfit, before offering eye watering wages to said player for the length of contract said players agent desires. 

[everton carr]

4 hours ago, inckley fox said:

The hefty sum on Winks worked well for the Championship, until the New Year at least, but if the idea was that he formed part of a new backbone to the team for a return to the PL (and if you're paying those sums in the FLC, as with Coady and Cannon, it should really be with one eye on what comes next) then that was another dud. 

 

I honestly don't think we can be too complimentary about our business that summer. Yes, we went up, but that always had far more to do with inherited talent than with shrewd recruitment. The team-building was quite poor and left us with too much work to do when we got promoted.

 

The jury's out on Fatawu at the top level and Mavididi hasn't cut it. That's the best part of 20m dedicated to wingers - almost our only transfer outlay on those positions for years - meaning we had zero left in the kitty for those positions this year, after the botched attempt at replacing KDH with Skipp.

 

Hermansen did well in the FLC and early on in this season. In spite of his poor form now, we'll make a profit on him and he'd appear to be an example of good recruitment, even if there have to remain some question marks about him at this level.

 

Coady came in for a big fee, presumably with a view to him replacing either Faes or Vestergard at CB, and being a key player. He wasn't, and he hasn't been much use in the PL either.

 

Cannon was a poor signing, offered us nothing. We got our money back for him, but that's the best you can say.

 

Of the loanees, Doyle did well early on but lost his place, and is still playing at that level. Casedei was poor. Akgun wasn't good enough.

 

So, for an outlay of nearly 60m, we got a decent enough keeper, a winger who is good in the FLC but not good enough in the PL, another winger who may or may not be a bit better than that, a midfielder who was good at first in the second tier, fell away, and became an utterly hopeless, half-arsed troublemaker the moment we went up, an even more pointless CB, a flop of a striker, and some negligible loanees.

 

If that's brilliant (and it's not) then Cooper's transfer business would also require positive reassessment, even though it doesn't especially deserve it. After all, it's roughly the same outlay on players (if we consider that the Fatawu signing was largely agreed in advance), and his options were severely limited by the financial chaos at the club.

 

Everyone seems to think Okoli should be in the side. Bilal is highly rated by fans. Ayew and Reid cost next to nothing, and were only intended as back-up to the wingers who we'd actually parted with significant sums for (a purpose which they might have fulfilled if Mavididi had stepped up, and Fatawu had both avoided injury and improved on his early displays). And fans are always telling us that Facundo should be a starter, and was our best performer until Ruud got his hands on him. That leaves Skipp - and Edouard - as the only straightforward sticks you can beat Cooper with.

 

And, just to underline how poor our recruitment has been for years (including in 2023), it's not clear that Cooper wanted Skipp, Edouard or even Okoli. He overlooked all three repeatedly. And the fact that, in his defence, Maresca never seemed interested in Coady or Cannon only seems to emphasise that our post and pre-2023 recruitment issues were also perfectly evident in that solitary, not-so-brilliant-after-all summer.

Good post to hear people talk about Ayew and BDR you would think.we spent 50M on them

[SK3Blue]

Not sure if this has been covered already but if the player is 30+, Jon always chucks in a 3yr deal, free beer, donuts and clappers. 
 

Also on some occasions Jon goes back to original lists and randomly selects another player similar to what we’ve got already, and offers double what he paid for the first. Example Winks and Skipp.

 

Finally, Jon has a panic list of loan players, he likes to make snap decisions, sometimes forgetting to discuss recall/return clauses. Edouard caught his eye, not for his goalscoring record, he just thought he had a nice name.