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moore_94

Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

By moore_94, in Leicester City Forum

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Terraloon

Terraloon

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23 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

It’s important to note there are 3 charges 

 

Two of the charges relate to LCFC failing to provide information and assist with matters in general these two are being pursued under PL rules. 
 

The third and perhaps key one is being investigated by the PL ( because the arbitration panels concluded says they could) but under EFL rules 

I should add that perhaps the question as to where, how and when any points deduction be applied has possibly already have been answered in that the PL was only allowed to pursue  the investigation and process for 23/24  because the EFL who had started investigation into that year .

As I said earlier don’t be at all surprised if this EFL charge is now passed back to the EFL to prosecute.

 

Something I have just read elsewhere ( The Athletic) is that the EFL haven’t given up the idea that they can’t pursue 22/23
 

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katieakita

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Serving Postmaster so have seen enough corruption within the law and those who are supposed to uphold it and regulate it, so hope the club issue a counter claim. However poorly run the club may or not be run the EPL have hardly acted in a fair and reasonable way. Their failure to ensure their own rules were applied has cost the club arguably  £100 million plus  and they have already punished us this season with the highly publicised points deduction we were getting at the start of the season that got dropped at the end of the transfer window would have impacted us in recruitment of players and the manager. The EPL would have been well aware of our skeleton argument in our defence that would hold up due to the EPL failing to provide fit and proper rules. 

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Chelmofox

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30 minutes ago, dannythefox said:

It would never be done on time this season it will probably take 6months 

Which in my opinion is bollocks. PL or EFL should do the announcement when everything has been dealt with. Doing now and then waiting an undefined period benefits no one. Deal with it all behind closed doors and just announce the punishment.

ClaphamFox

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19 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

I should add that perhaps the question as to where, how and when any points deduction be applied has possibly already have been answered in that the PL was only allowed to pursue  the investigation and process for 23/24  because the EFL who had started investigation into that year .

As I said earlier don’t be at all surprised if this EFL charge is now passed back to the EFL to prosecute.

 

Something I have just read elsewhere ( The Athletic) is that the EFL haven’t given up the idea that they can’t pursue 22/23
 

It is true that the PL was only able to pursue us for 23/24 because the EFL had started the investigation into that year. It's also clear that because of the recent rule change, the PL can pass jurisdiction on future cases to the EFL and vice versa if a team is relegated or promoted.


What's not yet clear is whether the recent rule change can be applied retroactively or not. Does the fact that the EFL had started an investigation into us during 2023/24 mean that the PL can not only gain jurisdiction over us for that year, but also pass that jurisdiction back to the EFL - or did the latter only become possible with the recent rule change, and hence may not apply to us? Most of the media seem to think it can be passed back to the EFL, but Kieran Maguire is adamant that it can't.

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suffolk fox

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What were our financials for 23/24 as a matter of interest?  I thought it was 22/23 we were in bother for?  Which we won on appeal.   I didn't realise 23/24 was problematic too.  

Or is it because of the rolling 3 year cycle?

Kasey Keller

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Just listened to that steffan borsan on talk sport saying we should be sat with the premier league admit to the charges and take a 12 point deduction while in the prem and forfeit the 6m quid that the places we drop down from.

then meaning in the championship we start with a clean slate points wise…….

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ClaphamFox

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4 minutes ago, Kasey Keller said:

Just listened to that steffan borsan on talk sport saying we should be sat with the premier league admit to the charges and take a 12 point deduction while in the prem and forfeit the 6m quid that the places we drop down from.

then meaning in the championship we start with a clean slate points wise…….

Did it sound like he believes that is an option open to us?

Terraloon

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21 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

What were our financials for 23/24 as a matter of interest?  I thought it was 22/23 we were in bother for?  Which we won on appeal.   I didn't realise 23/24 was problematic too.  

Or is it because of the rolling 3 year cycle?

Most thought that the 23/24,  22/23 & 21/22 numbers when added together for a 3 year cycle  weren’t a problem. Many thought the selling of KDH and the £10 million fee paid by Chelsea were enough to ensure compliance. That clearly isn’t the case.

 

I can only think that the 19/20+20/21 numbers which were positively impacted by way of Covid to such a degree there was a credit which helped significantly when adding in the other years . So much that any loss in 23/24 added to the problem.

 

To be honest LCFC were lucky that the make up of the appeal IC was as it was because if it had been the same as the arbitration panel which was very senior group clearly concluded that the decision of the original IC was correct and the appeal panel weren’t 

 

 

 

 

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Winstonthedog

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I have always said ... and some on here say nothing could be done to us ... but we should take the punishment and move on ... the running of the club is shambolic but will anyone carry the can or more likely to be rewarded ... competency springs to mind

Winstonthedog

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I have always said ... and some on here say nothing could be done to us ... but we should take the punishment and move on ... the running of the club is shambolic but will anyone carry the can or more likely to be rewarded ... competency springs to mind

ClaphamFox

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Just now, Kasey Keller said:

Yes but one that was very time sensitive. That’s us fvcked then.

Indeed. I wonder how many unanswered voicemails we've left on the PL's switchboard over the past few days...

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urban.spaceman

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19 hours ago, Langston said:

 

Can I ask? You seem completely unwilling to criticise the club here.. I can't deny the rules are a mess but surely you can acknowledge the club has worked itself into a complete state..

Apologies for the late reply, was busy last night and this got lost in my notifications.

 

I’ve stated repeatedly on the forum in multiple threads how angry I am with the club and their decision making, and how I’m desperate for serious consequences and change at the club. I appreciate you might not have seen that but here’s one post, that quotes two others, where I set out my pov on the matter.

 

I DO share everyone’s anger at the club but I also believe there needs to be pushback on the ‘100% our fault’ narratives being presented on here. Thankfully a few other posters are doing the same, but not enough IMO. The behaviour of the PL and EFL has been utterly disgraceful and should be plain for everyone to see. What is less clear or well known, is the barriers that were put in place to prevent clubs like ours from growing in the first place - a structure of rules that adversely affect clubs like ours, communities and regions like ours, and directly rips off fans and consumers. 

 

People can complain about the club hierarchy all they want - and I agree with them - but the game has been utterly broken by the powers that be and we’re all being ripped off for the privilege of watching it. That has to change. 

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moore_94

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Hirst

Barnes

Castagne

Dewsbury-Hall

Maresca

Kristiansen (loan)

Thomas (loan)

Soumare (loan)

Iversen (loan)

 

and STILL possibly failed?

 

Unless we fvcked up the accounting period for KDH?

urban.spaceman

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22 minutes ago, katieakita said:

Any ideas what Liverpool owe for the youngster and how long has that been going on for getting on for 2 years?

 

It’s Liverpool. They will never be held accountable for anything. This means more etc. 

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AjcW

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35 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Hirst

Barnes

Castagne

Dewsbury-Hall

Maresca

Kristiansen (loan)

Thomas (loan)

Soumare (loan)

Iversen (loan)

 

and STILL possibly failed?

 

Unless we fvcked up the accounting period for KDH?

I was thinking this.

 

He officially signed for them on 2nd July 2024

Terraloon

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1 hour ago, AjcW said:

I was thinking this.

 

He officially signed for them on 2nd July 2024

The accounts confirmed that the KDH transfer was completed in the 23/24 accounting year

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davieG

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2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

hat is less clear or well known, is the barriers that were put in place to prevent clubs like ours from growing in the first place - a structure of rules that adversely affect clubs like ours,

Well many of those clubs including ours must have voted these rules in so who's to blame but ourselves and the other clubs like ours.

ClaphamFox

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12 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well many of those clubs including ours must have voted these rules in so who's to blame but ourselves and the other clubs like ours.

PSR rules were voted in during the 2013/14 season when we were in the Championship, so we didn't have a say in the decision.

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urban.spaceman

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2 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well many of those clubs including ours must have voted these rules in so who's to blame but ourselves and the other clubs like ours.

We didn’t vote for FFP in 2013 as we were still in the Championship yet were hamstrung by Short Term Cost Control rules that explicitly restricted our spending power after winning the league. I (and a few AI apps) can’t find any publicly available information that we’ve ever voted in favour of rules like these. 

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