General News Thread

[Tommy G]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

With the difference being that there are actually better alternatives going forward for LCFC, rather than all of the viable ones being demonstrably worse as is in the case of the UK. 

Ahh so we have reached the pinnacle of living standards under the current regime, my mistake!

[leicsmac]

43 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Ahh so we have reached the pinnacle of living standards under the current regime, my mistake!

Do tidy away that strawman before someone lights a match, mon ami 

 

Edit: If there are better viable alternatives that exist right now, I'd very much like to hear what they are and why. 

Edited 20 August 2025 by leicsmac

[CornwallFox]

4 hours ago, Tommy G said:

RR now wants to tax your primary residence on disposal - does this govt want to stoop any lower - making it virtually impossible for 95% of the population to live a comfortable life and want to tax you to death 

It's usually a good idea to see the detail of actually announced changes, rather than worrying about random ideas that the media presents. Right wing media constantly screams about "labour are being advised to do x" or "labour are considering y" when all that means is either somebody entirely unconnected with labour want something labour aren't even thinking about (the first headline), or there's 10,000 different tax changes a government has to think about and it's just one of those (the second).

Unless something is actually announced it's not a thing. 

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

It's usually a good idea to see the detail of actually announced changes, rather than worrying about random ideas that the media presents. Right wing media constantly screams about "labour are being advised to do x" or "labour are considering y" when all that means is either somebody entirely unconnected with labour want something labour aren't even thinking about (the first headline), or there's 10,000 different tax changes a government has to think about and it's just one of those (the second).

Unless something is actually announced it's not a thing. 

Media (traditional and social) stirring up theoretical scenarios for actual outrage to suit their own purpose?

 

Colour me utterly shocked. 

[Tommy G]

38 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

It's usually a good idea to see the detail of actually announced changes, rather than worrying about random ideas that the media presents. Right wing media constantly screams about "labour are being advised to do x" or "labour are considering y" when all that means is either somebody entirely unconnected with labour want something labour aren't even thinking about (the first headline), or there's 10,000 different tax changes a government has to think about and it's just one of those (the second).

Unless something is actually announced it's not a thing. 

This was in the Guardian.

[CornwallFox]

2 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

This was in the Guardian.

It's irrelevant where it was. Until something is announced it doesn't exist. And there's also no way of knowing what other changes would happen at the same time even if it was a thing. Basically, and this is only my advice as somebody that used to get worked up about politics, stress about what is, not what could be. 

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

It's irrelevant where it was. Until something is announced it doesn't exist. And there's also no way of knowing what other changes would happen at the same time even if it was a thing. Basically, and this is only my advice as somebody that used to get worked up about politics, stress about what is, not what could be. 

It was in relation to you point about right wing media FWIW. 

[urban.spaceman]

Everything wrong is uniquely Labour’s fault and I am equally opposed to any possible solution to any problem real or imagined. 
 

My lifetime of voting choices bears absolutely no responsibility for this situation whatsoever. 

[urban.spaceman]

Sorry, “Liebour”. 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

It was in relation to you point about right wing media FWIW. 

I know my friend, and I was just clarifying that despite my focus on right wing media, the same is true of all media and social media. 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Everything wrong is uniquely Labour’s fault and I am equally opposed to any possible solution to any problem real or imagined. 
 

My lifetime of voting choices bears absolutely no responsibility for this situation whatsoever. 

What's most incredible is the way the Tories, particularly Jenrick, are fighting against asylum hotels as if it wasn't then that caused the backlog and used hotels to house the immigrants.

Jenrick literally went on national TV to talk about how he'd been negotiating with hotels. Some of the contacts they signed last until 2029. Yet they're trying to paint it as labour's fault.

[Sampson]

Will never understand the number of people who complain about the state of the country but then complain if you say we might need to raise taxes in order to fix it.

 

You can’t have your cake and eat it. If you want to fix public services, infrastructure; buildings, fix roads etc. then we all have to be prepared to pay for it. 

[Wymsey]

34 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Will never understand the number of people who complain about the state of the country but then complain if you say we might need to raise taxes in order to fix it.

 

You can’t have your cake and eat it. If you want to fix public services, infrastructure; buildings, fix roads etc. then we all have to be prepared to pay for it. 

But who would support our backs if we're doing so, especially in times of need?

[bovril]

38 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Will never understand the number of people who complain about the state of the country but then complain if you say we might need to raise taxes in order to fix it.

 

You can’t have your cake and eat it. If you want to fix public services, infrastructure; buildings, fix roads etc. then we all have to be prepared to pay for it. 

You are right but trust in the state is at an all time low though. For me Brits are starting to resemble Southern or Eastern Europeans more than North Western Europeans in that there is no real belief that any political party is going to fix the problems and by extension there is no belief that our taxes are going to be spent wisely. 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Will never understand the number of people who complain about the state of the country but then complain if you say we might need to raise taxes in order to fix it.

 

You can’t have your cake and eat it. If you want to fix public services, infrastructure; buildings, fix roads etc. then we all have to be prepared to pay for it. 

The entitlement of Americans for Scandinavian level public services.

 

19 minutes ago, bovril said:

You are right but trust in the state is at an all time low though. For me Brits are starting to resemble Southern or Eastern Europeans more than North Western Europeans in that there is no real belief that any political party is going to fix the problems and by extension there is no belief that our taxes are going to be spent wisely. 

... and then one begins to wonder exactly where that distrust originates, and for what purpose. 

[leicsmac]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-anti-american-views-immigration-benefits/

 

... better be careful about those social media posts if you want to see England play in the 2026 WC, folks. 

[bovril]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

The entitlement of Americans for Scandinavian level public services.

 

... and then one begins to wonder exactly where that distrust originates, and for what purpose. 

Well I sure as shit resent taxes to successive governments who have deliberately made me poorer so Nigel Farage Hot Pics weirdos in the shires will vote for them. 

[bovril]

The social contract is totally broken in this country and anybody even implying that mass distrust towards the state is anything other than a perfectly natural and organic response is an ostrich

[leicsmac]

26 minutes ago, bovril said:

Well I sure as shit resent taxes to successive governments who have deliberately made me poorer so Nigel Farage Hot Pics weirdos in the shires will vote for them. 

 

21 minutes ago, bovril said:

The social contract is totally broken in this country and anybody even implying that mass distrust towards the state is anything other than a perfectly natural and organic response is an ostrich

Fair, that's the conclusion I'd draw as well.

 

However, I'm not sure any of the current viable solutions being presented to resolve those trust issues are really good, or even acceptable.

 

Which leaves everything rather in the shit either way.

[Lionator]

it probably does need something radical to turn stuff around whether it be a Milei type project or a new form of socialism. The neo-liberal centrism has ran out of the steam and is crashing hard

[Leicester_Loyal]

5 hours ago, Sampson said:

Will never understand the number of people who complain about the state of the country but then complain if you say we might need to raise taxes in order to fix it.

 

You can’t have your cake and eat it. If you want to fix public services, infrastructure; buildings, fix roads etc. then we all have to be prepared to pay for it. 

I'd happy pay more if I knew they weren't going to waste it. We could all pay an extra 5% tax and the Government would still say it's not enough.

 

Constantly taxing us is just slowing the economy down and stopping growth IMO.

[Jon the Hat]

5 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

I'd happy pay more if I knew they weren't going to waste it. We could all pay an extra 5% tax and the Government would still say it's not enough.

 

Constantly taxing us is just slowing the economy down and stopping growth IMO.

There are hard decisions to make, and no one is willing to make them.  The NHS funding model is completely unsustainable, the current local authority funding model is a failure, as is the Governance model which has resulted in some spectacular financials meltdowns. The population has negated responsibility to care for their surroundings to local government who cannot or will not do it.  Developments which could solve housing crises are blocked by self-imposed environmental rules, and when they do happen are overpriced.  Where are the actually brave politicians to speak the truth and do something about it?

[Greg2607]

12 hours ago, Lionator said:

it probably does need something radical to turn stuff around whether it be a Milei type project or a new form of socialism. The neo-liberal centrism has ran out of the steam and is crashing hard

Be careful what you wish for with Milei, he has literally doubled the levels of poverty in Argentina. 

 

Yes, he's fixing some metrics, but at what cost to the average citizen? 

Edited 21 August 2025 by Greg2607

[CornwallFox]

22 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

Be careful what you wish for with Milei, he has literally doubled the levels of poverty in Argentina. 

 

Yes, he's fixing some metrics, but at what cost to the average citizen? 

Sounds pretty much like the Tories over the last 14 years. 

Edited 21 August 2025 by CornwallFox

[Muzzy_no7]

19 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Sounds pretty much like the Tories over the last 14 years. 

Because the last 13 months and several years before Cameron stepped in were covered in glory weren’t they. Christ.