General News Thread

[splinterdream]

10 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

You mean the people who think that Asian people should integrate more and move away from Melton Rd, while never leaving their English ghetto in Spain?

I reckon its perfectly normal for people to prefer to live amongst those that are like them. Share the same culture, food, music, fashion etc. That's why multiculturalism is a failure, because the numbers brought in have led to migrants moving to one area, setting up that area to suit them, which has led to division, which is why we are where we are, and it gets worse amd worse, then you get certain people claiming those complaining about it are far right.

[st albans fox]

No one could be closer to getting a deal than us

and the food was good 

 

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I reckon its perfectly normal for people to prefer to live amongst those that are like them. Share the same culture, food, music, fashion etc. That's why multiculturalism is a failure, because the numbers brought in have led to migrants moving to one area, setting up that area to suit them, which has led to division, which is why we are where we are, and it gets worse amd worse, then you get certain people claiming those complaining about it are far right.

Then, with all of this being said, I wonder what the solution to that all is that doesn't involve the continuation of that division with all the trouble that entails. 

[bovril]

28 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

You mean the people who think that Asian people should integrate more and move away from Melton Rd, while never leaving their English ghetto in Spain?

I'm thinking about meeting English immigrants in Bulgaria who didn't really like Bulgarians but liked Bulgaria because it doesn't have a lot of immigrants, then voted for Brexit because they thought there were too many immigrants in England, which resulted for them in a lot of trips to the Bulgarian immigration office....

[splinterdream]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Then, with all of this being said, I wonder what the solution to that all is that doesn't involve the continuation of that division with all the trouble that entails. 

Stop immigration, whether by stopping making the Country an attractive place to come to, stop legal aid to immigrants, strongly encourage assimilation although I think its too late, deport foreign criminals wherever possible 

[splinterdream]

6 minutes ago, bovril said:

I'm thinking about meeting English immigrants in Bulgaria who didn't really like Bulgarians but liked Bulgaria because it doesn't have a lot of immigrants, then voted for Brexit because they thought there were too many immigrants in England, which resulted for them in a lot of trips to the Bulgarian immigration office....

The immigrant Brit is always a thing thats brought up, but all immigrant brits bring financial benefit to the Country they emigrate too, whereas we have millions that are a financial burden on the rest of us, thats the difference. 

 

[Salisbury Fox]

3 hours ago, bovril said:

The kind of stuff he's tweeted he sounds like he'd fit in quite well in England 

It’s quite concerning how poor our vetting processes are.

[bovril]

1 minute ago, splinterdream said:

The immigrant Brit is always a thing thats brought up, but all immigrant brits bring financial benefit to the Country they emigrate too, whereas we have millions that are a financial burden on the rest of us, thats the difference. 

 

Would like to see some stats. Would go out on a limb and say that European migrants in the UK contribute slightly more to the economy than Brits in Europe (who I imagine are still net positive), though of course we decided to opt out of freedom of movement meaning we get fewer productive migrants here and they get fewer of our old fogies. 

[Sampson]

10 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said:

It’s quite concerning how poor our vetting processes are.

His mother was born in the UK, it’s nothing to do with any vetting process. He isn’t a naturalised citizen, he has his citizenship through birthright.

Edited 28 December 2025 by Sampson

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

Stop immigration, whether by stopping making the Country an attractive place to come to, stop legal aid to immigrants, strongly encourage assimilation although I think its too late, deport foreign criminals wherever possible 

I fail to see how this stops different demographics from looking at each other like they think they're superior to the other guy (when in fact none of them are) with the resulting divisionand consequences of that division, but fair enough. 

 

5 minutes ago, bovril said:

Would like to see some stats. Would go out on a limb and say that European migrants in the UK contribute slightly more to the economy than Brits in Europe (who I imagine are still net positive), though of course we decided to opt out of freedom of movement meaning we get fewer productive migrants here and they get fewer of our old fogies. 

Yeah, but Brits (particularly when they're a particular skin colour) are somehow inherently elevated when it comes to financial and cultural contributions no matter where they happen to be.

 

Apparently. 

[splinterdream]

9 minutes ago, bovril said:

Would like to see some stats. Would go out on a limb and say that European migrants in the UK contribute slightly more to the economy than Brits in Europe (who I imagine are still net positive), though of course we decided to opt out of freedom of movement meaning we get fewer productive migrants here and they get fewer of our old fogies. 

The EU wanted a United States of Europe with decisions being made in Brussels, the Country that voted wasn't keen on that.

I would say they'd have hoped negotiations for Brexit could have been better but there you go. Eastern European labour caused issues for the working classes with wages and conditions being stifled, training non existent and money being earned then moved out of the Country 

 

[Salisbury Fox]

15 minutes ago, Sampson said:

His mother was born in the UK, it’s nothing to do with any vetting process. He isn’t a naturalised citizen, he has his citizenship through birthright.

Yes it appears you are correct, thanks.  Google does however indicate that character checks are required as part of the application process which does suggest a failing.

[CornwallFox]

57 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I reckon its perfectly normal for people to prefer to live amongst those that are like them. Share the same culture, food, music, fashion etc. That's why multiculturalism is a failure, because the numbers brought in have led to migrants moving to one area, setting up that area to suit them, which has led to division, which is why we are where we are, and it gets worse amd worse, then you get certain people claiming those complaining about it are far right.

To be clear, thinking what you've written there is not far right. 

But what the more extreme politicians are saying, and many on the right in comments across social media and media, is far right, and always has been.

[danny.]

7 hours ago, Lionator said:

Am I getting this correct? That El-Fattah person is a British citizen, illegally detained in Egypt in terrible conditions for being anti-government. He wrote some anti semitic tweets 15 years ago, therefore the political winds are that he should be stripped of British citizenship and sent back to Egypt to be tortured again?? Not only that, his severely autistic son, should be stripped of any welfare support and removed from the specialist school that he attends. Is this where we’re at?? 

This guy, you want him to be in the U.K.?

 

This country is so cooked. 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Stop immigration, whether by stopping making the Country an attractive place to come to, stop legal aid to immigrants, strongly encourage assimilation although I think its too late, deport foreign criminals wherever possible 

Top marks to the government there!

[Sampson]

6 hours ago, danny. said:

This guy, you want him to be in the U.K.?

 

This country is so cooked. 

 

Where did he say it was about if he wants or does not want him to be in the uk, he said he doesn’t want a society where we banish British citizens for words they say? The guy is a British citizen not an asylum seeker, stripping someone of their citizenship and banishing them from the country because of words they said is a legal decision that creates a legal precedent that then has to be upheld by judges in similar situations. It’s imo big brother style wokery beyond the pale. That’s how we end up down the path of breaking up millions of families and getting people killed in other countries for what society deems at the time for saying the wrong words (even if they said them decades ago) meaning none of us can say anything anymore on threat of never seeing our friends and family again (which is what I thought many on the right were supposed to be rallying against).

 

Was it not you who ranted against the wife of a Tory MP getting prison time for allegedly encouraging people to burn down assylum hotels when there were people inside? Under the same legal system you want to set up judges would have to throw her out the country to god knows where never to see her friends and family again unless you set up legal frameworks where one thing is somehow different than the other which you won’t be svor to do because you can’t predict all the words that will be said in what way 

 

Just don’t get how so many right can genuinely want this stuff when they’re simultaneously (often rightly) so against cancel culture on the other side because they understand the legal precedent and culture it creates.

 

I was always taught this - imagine these powers being in the hands of the worst government you can imagine, because when you’ve created these legal powers they’re now there to be used by every future government, not just the ones you like.

Edited 29 December 2025 by Sampson

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Where did he say it was about if he wants or does not want him to be in the uk, he said he doesn’t want a society where we banish British citizens for words they say? The guy is a British citizen not an asylum seeker, stripping someone of their citizenship and banishing them from the country because of words they said is a legal decision that creates a legal precedent that then has to be upheld by judges in similar situations. It’s imo big brother style wokery beyond the pale. That’s how we end up down the path of breaking up millions of families and getting people killed in other countries for what society deems at the time for saying the wrong words (even if they said them decades ago) meaning none of us can say anything anymore on threat of never seeing our friends and family again (which is what I thought many on the right were supposed to be rallying against).

 

Was it not you who ranted against the wife of a Tory MP getting prison time for allegedly encouraging people to burn down assylum hotels when there were people inside? Under the same legal system you want to set up judges would have to throw her out the country to god knows where never to see her friends and family again unless you set up legal frameworks where one thing is somehow different than the other which you won’t be svor to do because you can’t predict all the words that will be said in what way 

 

Just don’t get how so many right can genuinely want this stuff when they’re simultaneously (often rightly) so against cancel culture on the other side because they understand the legal precedent and culture it creates.

 

I was always taught this - imagine these powers being in the hands of the worst government you can imagine, because when you’ve created these legal powers they’re now there to be used by every future government, not just the ones you like.

Hypocrisy and a belief in inherent superiority that merits having power over other demographics. That's how.

 

"Cancel culture for me, but not for thee, because I'm better than you by my very inherent quality and so I deserve the institutional power to do this and you don't."

 

At the most fundamental level, that is what it comes down to imo. Some people simply don't want any kind of fair or equal world. 

Edited 29 December 2025 by leicsmac

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, Sampson said:

Where did he say it was about if he wants or does not want him to be in the uk, he said he doesn’t want a society where we banish British citizens for words they say? The guy is a British citizen not an asylum seeker, stripping someone of their citizenship and banishing them from the country because of words they said is a legal decision that creates a legal precedent that then has to be upheld by judges in similar situations. It’s imo big brother style wokery beyond the pale. That’s how we end up down the path of breaking up millions of families and getting people killed in other countries for what society deems at the time for saying the wrong words (even if they said them decades ago) meaning none of us can say anything anymore on threat of never seeing our friends and family again (which is what I thought many on the right were supposed to be rallying against).

 

Was it not you who ranted against the wife of a Tory MP getting prison time for allegedly encouraging people to burn down assylum hotels when there were people inside? Under the same legal system you want to set up judges would have to throw her out the country to god knows where never to see her friends and family again unless you set up legal frameworks where one thing is somehow different than the other which you won’t be svor to do because you can’t predict all the words that will be said in what way 

 

Just don’t get how so many right can genuinely want this stuff when they’re simultaneously (often rightly) so against cancel culture on the other side because they understand the legal precedent and culture it creates.

 

I was always taught this - imagine these powers being in the hands of the worst government you can imagine, because when you’ve created these legal powers they’re now there to be used by every future government, not just the ones you like.

Thank you (I know I usually end up winding you up 🤣).

[Lionator]

8 hours ago, danny. said:

This guy, you want him to be in the U.K.?

 

This country is so cooked. 

 

If the British government want to prosecute him for those historic tweets then fine. Let the law do its thing. However if we’re stripping citizenship for naturalised Brits and punishing the kids of these people because of this, then we’re not far from every brown person being at risk of having citizenship removed for hurty tweets, which is ironic given the far rights constant complaints about people being locked up for hurty tweets. At that point we become a fascist country and fulfilling the very role he stupidly said in those tweets lol. 

[Super_horns]

He must have something on these politicians as apparently the Tories were ready to accept him back as well ?

Money presumably.

Never mind if the bloke is a nasty offensive bit of work .

[worthosoriginals]

11 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

You mean the people who think that Asian people should integrate more and move away from Melton Rd, while never leaving their English ghetto in Spain?

 

[Lionator]

8 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

He must have something on these politicians as apparently the Tories were ready to accept him back as well ?

Money presumably.

Never mind if the bloke is a nasty offensive bit of work .

He was an integral part of the groups in Egypt protesting against Hosni Mubarak, so western governments were funding the groups he was a part of as part of the Arab spring. In spite of those tweets, he fought for citizen rights and against autocracy in Egypt which still basically exists. The British are a big part of that fight and are especially invested in Egypt since we occupied it for geopolitical purposes up to 1956. So yeah the tweets are bad but he was a big part of what were British geopolitical interests at the time and would likely have something to do with agencies (MI6). So I can imagine a sense of responsibility within the foreign office, especially as his mother is British. 

[st albans fox]

19 minutes ago, Lionator said:

He was an integral part of the groups in Egypt protesting against Hosni Mubarak, so western governments were funding the groups he was a part of as part of the Arab spring. In spite of those tweets, he fought for citizen rights and against autocracy in Egypt which still basically exists. The British are a big part of that fight and are especially invested in Egypt since we occupied it for geopolitical purposes up to 1956. So yeah the tweets are bad but he was a big part of what were British geopolitical interests at the time and would likely have something to do with agencies (MI6). So I can imagine a sense of responsibility within the foreign office, especially as his mother is British. 

He’s said sorry now and that the tweets in question were when he was young (about 30?) and the homophobic ones were tongue in cheek (as were the holocaust ones) - he was mocking to make a point.   he’ll  be under a lot of observation by the authorities or he won’t if he actually is ‘one of ours’. (As per an extrapolation of your thoughts above). 

 

I think both the left and right need to decide if historic social media stuff is a bad thing or not.  It seems that it is when it suits a narrative and isn’t when it doesn’t 

 

 

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

He’s said sorry now and that the tweets in question were when he was young (about 30?) and the homophobic ones were tongue in cheek (as were the holocaust ones) - he was mocking to make a point.   he’ll  be under a lot of observation by the authorities or he won’t if he actually is ‘one of ours’. (As per an extrapolation of your thoughts above). 

 

I think both the left and right need to decide if historic social media stuff is a bad thing or not.  It seems that it is when it suits a narrative and isn’t when it doesn’t 

 

 

That seems to be the case, yes.

 

Then, I think, it comes down to examining each individual case on its own merit, which a lot of people (and I'll happily include myself there) don't have the time or the spoons for.

[Lionator]

31 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

He’s said sorry now and that the tweets in question were when he was young (about 30?) and the homophobic ones were tongue in cheek (as were the holocaust ones) - he was mocking to make a point.   he’ll  be under a lot of observation by the authorities or he won’t if he actually is ‘one of ours’. (As per an extrapolation of your thoughts above). 

 

I think both the left and right need to decide if historic social media stuff is a bad thing or not.  It seems that it is when it suits a narrative and isn’t when it doesn’t 

 

 

I don’t think it’s about sorry’s. It’s about silencing those who you don’t agree with.