General News Thread

[StanSP]

Is this 'uprising' on 13th Sept actually happening? 

 

I've seen a few notable people on X hype it up but what's actually going to happen? 

 

Is this flag and weird roundabout painting just the precursor to whatever is planned? Are we then likely to see more long jail terms for anyone causing disorder ()? 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Is this 'uprising' on 13th Sept actually happening? 

 

I've seen a few notable people on X hype it up but what's actually going to happen? 

 

Is this flag and weird roundabout painting just the precursor to whatever is planned? Are we then likely to see more long jail terms for anyone causing disorder ()? 

If it does happen, then it certainly does not need to go unanswered, either by those actually with a conscience or by the authorities. 

[StanSP]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

If it does happen, then it certainly does not need to go unanswered, either by those actually with a conscience or by the authorities. 

Be interesting to see how Police and/or government approach it. Or what their comms/actions are in the lead up to it are. 

 

I hope there's nothing like what we saw last summer. 

[st albans fox]

11 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

My result did shock me too tbh as I’ve always seen myself as someone split between the centre and centre right.

 

I came out as dead centre😂.

 

 

I think if you ask enough questions about enough issues - most people will come out close to the centre. This is what too many principled politicians have failed to come to terms with in our fptp system.  Occupy the middle ground the best to give yourself the best chance of winning. 

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Be interesting to see how Police and/or government approach it. Or what their comms/actions are in the lead up to it are. 

 

I hope there's nothing like what we saw last summer. 

I hope for that too, but at the same time I wonder what exactly it will take to neutralise the more toxic element of the sentiments seemingly taking hold in the UK right now, as it must be neutralised?

[Dr The Singh]

19 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Is this 'uprising' on 13th Sept actually happening? 

 

I've seen a few notable people on X hype it up but what's actually going to happen? 

 

Is this flag and weird roundabout painting just the precursor to whatever is planned? Are we then likely to see more long jail terms for anyone causing disorder ()? 

Is this uprising legal?

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

I think if you ask enough questions about enough issues - most people will come out close to the centre. This is what too many principled politicians have failed to come to terms with in our fptp system.  Occupy the middle ground the best to give yourself the best chance of winning. 

I think this was true up until about a decade ago, but I'm not sure how well occupying the centre is working for Starmer right now, for instance. 

 

Of course, the point also has to be made again that the Overton Window is a thing and the very definition of what the centre ground is in terms of viewpoints on issues varies wildly. 

[CornwallFox]

18 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I think this was true up until about a decade ago, but I'm not sure how well occupying the centre is working for Starmer right now, for instance. 

 

Of course, the point also has to be made again that the Overton Window is a thing and the very definition of what the centre ground is in terms of viewpoints on issues varies wildly. 

Western capitalism is on its last legs. Ordinary people are finding ordinary life harder and harder and are desperate for change. A new economic model and social contract is needed.

At the same time, climate change is starting to gather pace and we're going to see increasingly erratic weather patterns, floods, super storms etc over the next decade+.

In the last century oil was the great wealth creator and those benefiting from it aren't going to go quietly. So we have what, on it's own, is an annoying but relatively small issue of small boats rammed down the throats of the masses 24/7 to create public belief in a crisis, the fermenting of disorder and dissent, including by a political party, and suddenly the entire political world is focused on that one issue, pushing the overton window rightwards, keeping those that need it there in business. Nothing else is reported. It didn't matter what good things labour do, the media just doesn't report them.

Social media now is a cesspit of people simply parroting the talking points of their chosen media outlets, no free thought, no new ideas, no possible progress. It's all very depressing.

Edited 28 August 2025 by CornwallFox

[JonnyBoy]

RR looking to tax landlords NI to help fill the black hole, is she that thick that she doesn't realise that cost is going to get passed down to the renters? The whole revenue being taxed and the renters rights bill means there are less houses in the market driving up prices for renters as well 

 

Absolute stupidity 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Western capitalism is on its last legs. Ordinary people are finding ordinary life harder and harder and are desperate for change. A new economic model and social contract is needed.

At the same time, climate change is starting to gather pace and we're going to see increasingly erratic weather patterns, floods, super storms etc over the next decade+.

In the last century oil was the great wealth creator and those benefiting from it aren't going to go quietly. So we have what, on it's own, is an annoying but relatively small issue of small boats rammed down the throats of the masses 24/7 to create public belief in a crisis, the fermenting of disorder and dissent, including by a political party, and suddenly the entire political world is focused on that one issue, pushing the overton window rightwards, keeping those that need it there in business. Nothing else is reported. It didn't matter what good things labour do, the media just doesn't report them.

Social media now is a cesspit of people simply parroting the talking points of their chosen media outlets, no free thought, no new ideas, no possible progress. It's all very depressing.

Erudite. 

 

And then the thought turns to where that particular train terminates, and what it might take to change its direction at the next of very few remaining signal switches. 

 

Frankly, fvck knows. 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

RR looking to tax landlords NI to help fill the black hole, is she that thick that she doesn't realise that cost is going to get passed down to the renters? The whole revenue being taxed and the renters rights bill means there are less houses in the market driving up prices for renters as well 

 

Absolute stupidity 

When both the renter and housing market are being artificially inflated and it is encroaching on a basic human right, then action needs to be taken. 

 

Of course, targeting small time landlords is just going to push more housing stock into the hands of the big companies who can afford to absorb the loss and then pass it on to the renter, so depending on who this targets, it seemingly is the wrong kind of action, yes. 

[JonnyBoy]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

When both the renter and housing market are being artificially inflated and it is encroaching on a basic human right, then action needs to be taken. 

 

Of course, targeting small time landlords is just going to push more housing stock into the hands of the big companies who can afford to absorb the loss and then pass it on to the renter, so depending on who this targets, it seemingly is the wrong kind of action, yes. 

 

Yep. So we put up rents again, which part of “cut spending to match income” is Reeves struggling to understand ? With 20+ applicants for every rental vacancy, she simply taxes renters, making it ever harder for them to save and buy a property.

[CosbehFox]

I’d bloody appreciate if the current PM and his cabinet started calling out bullshit rather than trying to appease the untruth. 
 

The new comms bloke for the PM got a huge task. 
 

Morgan McSweeney is as big as a twat as Dominic Cummings. He’s got too much power for someone unelected 

[CornwallFox]

8 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

 

Yep. So we put up rents again, which part of “cut spending to match income” is Reeves struggling to understand ? With 20+ applicants for every rental vacancy, she simply taxes renters, making it ever harder for them to save and buy a property.

We have nearly 3 million landlords in this country. Not properties, actual landlords. 3 million. 

They are the reason the housing market is so badly broken. They buy everything at the cheap end, stopping first time buyers getting onto the housing ladder.

Action is definitely needed to stop them doing that, and to free up properties currently owned by landlords. 

Most renters don't want to rent. They have to because they can't compete with landlordism.

Edited 28 August 2025 by CornwallFox

[Tommy G]

57 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Be interesting to see how Police and/or government approach it. Or what their comms/actions are in the lead up to it are. 

 

I hope there's nothing like what we saw last summer. 

I'd imagine it will be worse, suspect the govt and police are bricking it. 

[CornwallFox]

20 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Erudite. 

 

And then the thought turns to where that particular train terminates, and what it might take to change its direction at the next of very few remaining signal switches. 

 

Frankly, fvck knows. 

The only chink of light for those of us not wanting a hard right government is that together the Tories and reform account for 36% of current polling.

Labour, lib dem and greens account for 42%.

The left just needs to stop dividing itself. And Labour need to not be afraid to talk as a centre left party, rather than just talk about right wing talking points.

[JonnyBoy]

5 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

We have nearly 3 million landlords in this country. Not properties, actual landlords. 3 million. 

They are the reason the housing market is so badly broken. They buy everything at the cheap end, stopping first time buyers getting onto the housing ladder.

Action is definitely needed to stop them doing that, and to free up properties currently owned by landlords. 

Most renters don't want to rent. They have to because they can't compete with landlordism.

 

you do realise most landlords own one house , not the image of multi-milllionares, we own another property due to circumstance. We will sell next year most likely because it isn't worth it anymore. You do realise the more people who sell their properties will increase the price of renting a property? 

 

But there are loads of houses up for sale (especially 2 bed properties)?  Do you disagree with the point I made about RR introducing NI tax on landlords? 

Edited 28 August 2025 by JonnyBoy

[CornwallFox]

4 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

 

you do realise most landlords own one house , not the image of multi-milllionares, we own another property due to circumstance. We will sell next year most likely because it isn't worth it anymore. You do realise the more people who sell their properties will increase the price of renting a property? 

 

But there are loads of houses up for sale (especially 2 bed properties)?  Do you disagree with the point I made about RR introducing NI tax on landlords? 

I understand that. And those landlords bought their rental properties with the best of intentions, to build wealth for their families. I'm not attacking individuals. 

 

But successive governments should have seen the issues that landlordism would create for society and should have limited it years ago. 

 

So I entirely support efforts now to reverse the trend, and you selling up shows it's working. And, let's be honest, if you've had the property a while you'll have made good money on it with your tenants paying the mortgage. So you've lost nothing and only gained is the likely outcome (I realise you may have very specific individual circumstances where that somehow isn't true). 

Edited 28 August 2025 by CornwallFox

[StanSP]

57 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Is this uprising legal?

In what sense? 

 

As in similar to a protest? Not sure what criteria they have to meet but you and I both know there'll be incidents galore up and down the country aside from anything 'official'. 

 

57 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I hope for that too, but at the same time I wonder what exactly it will take to neutralise the more toxic element of the sentiments seemingly taking hold in the UK right now, as it must be neutralised?

Definitely agree it has to be neutralise but what that looks like I've got no idea. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I'd imagine it will be worse, suspect the govt and police are bricking it. 

Agreed. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

 

Definitely agree it has to be neutralise but what that looks like I've got no idea. 

 

Nor do I, and as a result I fear what may lie ahead in terms of that. 

[JonnyBoy]

Just now, CornwallFox said:

I understand that. And those landlords bought their rental properties with the best of intentions, to build wealth for their families. I'm not attacking individuals. 

 

But successive governments should have seen the issues that would create for society and should have limited it years ago. 

 

So I entirely support efforts now to reverse the trend, and you selling up shows it's working. And, let's be honest, if you've had the property a while you'll have made good money on it with your tenants paying the mortgage. So you've lost nothing and only gained is the likely outcome (I realise you may have very specific individual circumstances where that somehow isn't true). 

 

we make about £90 a month after mortgage (interest only), landlord insurance, paying the estate agent to oversee the property, then tax. We have had the house left in a horrific state that took us about a weeks worth of labour that we won't be paid for, their deposit only just about covered the cost. There isn't any money to be made apart from the property going up in value over time. 

 

Maybe the landlords who have 3/4/5 properties+ can really cream it 

[StanSP]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Nor do I, and as a result I fear what may lie ahead in terms of that. 

I'm just worried for the thousands (?) of innocent people that will be caught up in it. We've all seen how quickly fake news and misinformation can spread like wildfire. 

 

And not even only on that day or weekend, but for the days and weeks in the aftermath of it. 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I'm just worried for the thousands (?) of innocent people that will be caught up in it. We've all seen how quickly fake news and misinformation can spread like wildfire. 

 

And not even only on that day or weekend, but for the days and weeks in the aftermath of it. 

That's the important part for me. 

 

Such incidents, if this sentiment persists, won't be isolated. 

[st albans fox]

Anyone pretending that asylum seekers coming here by boat isn’t a problem that needs to be sorted is adding to the mess. We need a proper functioning fair system - we have a massive advantage of a sea border so the vast majority of those arriving are easily identified.  These people have often travelled long distances and risked their lives to get here.  Are they economic refugees or genuine asylum seekers?  The current system is overloaded and not fit for purpose.  The system for legal migration is also not fit for purpose. 

 

Simple solutions such as putting these people in local hotels is such an easy win for those that wish to make capital from it.  the money could surely be better spent creating more inventive solutions for their residence here until such time that they can be assessed properly.  Of course the backlog is a huge problem for now but I think as we move forwards with an ever warming climate,  our geographical position will make us an even more attractive place to try and come to.  This problem isn’t going to disappear. 

[Zear0]

13 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said:

 

we make about £90 a month after mortgage (interest only), landlord insurance, paying the estate agent to oversee the property, then tax. We have had the house left in a horrific state that took us about a weeks worth of labour that we won't be paid for, their deposit only just about covered the cost. There isn't any money to be made apart from the property going up in value over time. 

 

Maybe the landlords who have 3/4/5 properties+ can really cream it 

Nailing my colours to the mast, I inherited properties which I converted into rental properties and can assure you we're not creaming it on monthly cash flow in via rents either.  For a long long time I was also embittered thinking I was "only" making money from the properties value increasing over time.  As you've experienced, it is a faff, but in the decade we've had them, it's increased by 80% or something daft.  Since the early 2000s, this is the position of most landlords and you probably need to make peace with that one.