General News Thread

[Sampson]

I suppose it’s what you mean by left if you’re grouping left and liberals together. As I was always taught liberals were centrists.

 

I was always taught in politics class in school that socialists were left, social democrats were centre-left, liberals were centrists, conservatives were centre-right and reactionary conservatives were right.

 

Not trying to cause an argument just interested in the theory behind the thing that people are using as their left:right ratios.

[Tommy Fresh]

7 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

No. It’s not worth it. 

Id say it’s 80/20 on this particular thread but I don’t mind, I enjoy coming on here. 

If it's not worth it, you are also slightly aware it's probably not a great thing to say

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I suppose it’s what you mean by left if you’re grouping left and liberals together. As I was always taught liberals were centrists.

 

I was always taught in politics class in school that socialists were left, social democrats were centre-left, liberals were centrists, conservatives were centre-right and reactionary conservatives were right.

 

Not trying to cause an argument just interested in the theory behind the thing that people are using as their left:right ratios.

The Overton Window adds additional complications to this. 

 

For instance, what people would consider a liberal/conservative in Oslo and in Alabama differs wildly. 

[Muzzy_no7]

9 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

If it's not worth it, you are also slightly aware it's probably not a great thing to say

I see where you’re coming from but I disagree 

[Muzzy_no7]

Anyone got a spare 10 mins:

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test 
 

I was almost bang in the centre, slightly more authoritarian than libertarian 

[kenny]

18 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Anyone got a spare 10 mins:

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test 
 

I was almost bang in the centre, slightly more authoritarian than libertarian 

 

Drifting left in my old age.

[bovril]

4 minutes ago, kenny said:

 

Drifting left in my old age.

Is that Madders vs Everton? 

[leicsmac]

37 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The Overton Window adds additional complications to this. 

 

For instance, what people would consider a liberal/conservative in Oslo and in Alabama differs wildly. 

WRT recent discussion, this applies to political compassing, too. 

[Guest Electric Yetis]

[FoxesDeb]

[Muzzy_no7]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

Can’t see this, Deb

[FoxesDeb]

[CosbehFox]

the plan, people would be arrested on arrival, detained at disused RAF bases and, if agreements were reached, returned to their countries of origin, including Afghanistan and Eritrea, where a significant number of people on small boats come from.

The party says it would build removal centres in remote areas of the country under plans to detain up to 24,000 people within 18 months.

The party would also look to countries such as Rwanda and Albania to house migrants, and seek to use British overseas territories such as Ascension Island as a "fallback" if people awaiting deportation could not be sent elsewhere.

 

The Reform UK plan for illegal immigration. 
 

It’s pretty much a bit of plan Tory which failed and a bit of plan Labour. 

Edited 26 August 2025 by CosbehFox

[Muzzy_no7]

[ealingfox]

21 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

the plan, people would be arrested on arrival, detained at disused RAF bases and, if agreements were reached, returned to their countries of origin, including Afghanistan and Eritrea, where a significant number of people on small boats come from.

The party says it would build removal centres in remote areas of the country under plans to detain up to 24,000 people within 18 months.

The party would also look to countries such as Rwanda and Albania to house migrants, and seek to use British overseas territories such as Ascension Island as a "fallback" if people awaiting deportation could not be sent elsewhere.

 

The Reform UK plan for illegal immigration. 
 

It’s pretty much a bit of plan Tory which failed and a bit of plan Labour. 

 

So we'd start funding the Taliban. Brilliant stuff.

[Torquay Gunner]

24 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

the plan, people would be arrested on arrival, detained at disused RAF bases and, if agreements were reached, returned to their countries of origin, including Afghanistan and Eritrea, where a significant number of people on small boats come from.

The party says it would build removal centres in remote areas of the country under plans to detain up to 24,000 people within 18 months.

The party would also look to countries such as Rwanda and Albania to house migrants, and seek to use British overseas territories such as Ascension Island as a "fallback" if people awaiting deportation could not be sent elsewhere.

 

The Reform UK plan for illegal immigration. 
 

It’s pretty much a bit of plan Tory which failed and a bit of plan Labour. 

Trump would be proud.

[Brizzle Fox]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

I got called both a leftie and 'Mary Whitehouse' on here within the space of a few days...

Probably a bit like working for the BBC...

[bovril]

10 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

So we'd start funding the Taliban. Brilliant stuff.

"We send the EU 350 million a week, let's fund the Taliban instead"

[Footballwipe]

14 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

So we'd start funding the Taliban. Brilliant stuff.

I'd be interested to see what would be built in to stop these governments agreeing to these deals, getting the returned migrants, getting the money for taking them and then magically 'losing them' as they cross borders and try again (assuming people would try it again anyway). Same people cross, detained, returned, money deposited, released, cross, detained, returned, money deposited etc etc?

 

Or would the deal mean these people are indefinitely detained in their home country?

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

I'd be interested to see what would be built in to stop these governments agreeing to these deals, getting the returned migrants, getting the money for taking them and then magically 'losing them' as they cross borders and try again (assuming people would try it again anyway). Same people cross, detained, returned, money deposited, released, cross, detained, returned, money deposited etc etc?

 

Or would the deal mean these people are indefinitely detained in their home country?

Yep. Outstanding right. 

[Torquay Gunner]

4 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

I'd be interested to see what would be built in to stop these governments agreeing to these deals, getting the returned migrants, getting the money for taking them and then magically 'losing them' as they cross borders and try again (assuming people would try it again anyway). Same people cross, detained, returned, money deposited, released, cross, detained, returned, money deposited etc etc?

 

Or would the deal mean these people are indefinitely detained in their home country?

I think a fair few of them weren’t be going anywhere again on account of being unalive.

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

the plan, people would be arrested on arrival, detained at disused RAF bases and, if agreements were reached, returned to their countries of origin, including Afghanistan and Eritrea, where a significant number of people on small boats come from.

The party says it would build removal centres in remote areas of the country under plans to detain up to 24,000 people within 18 months.

The party would also look to countries such as Rwanda and Albania to house migrants, and seek to use British overseas territories such as Ascension Island as a "fallback" if people awaiting deportation could not be sent elsewhere.

 

The Reform UK plan for illegal immigration. 
 

It’s pretty much a bit of plan Tory which failed and a bit of plan Labour. 

Did Reform miss the protests outside of Scampton (their heartland) when the idea was proposed to place asylum seekers there? 

[Lionator]

Although it’s an issue, it’s insane to see how much air time the asylum seeker issue gets compared to how much of an issue it is to wayyyy more consequential stuff around housing, economics and defence. 

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

the plan, people would be arrested on arrival, detained at disused RAF bases and, if agreements were reached, returned to their countries of origin, including Afghanistan and Eritrea, where a significant number of people on small boats come from.

The party says it would build removal centres in remote areas of the country under plans to detain up to 24,000 people within 18 months.

The party would also look to countries such as Rwanda and Albania to house migrants, and seek to use British overseas territories such as Ascension Island as a "fallback" if people awaiting deportation could not be sent elsewhere.

 

The Reform UK plan for illegal immigration. 
 

It’s pretty much a bit of plan Tory which failed and a bit of plan Labour. 

Just read this. 

 

They'd also potentially get £2.5k to send them on their way. Have I read that right?! 

 

Not sure it's a fully workable plan and can't see it getting through. 

[CosbehFox]

11 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Although it’s an issue, it’s insane to see how much air time the asylum seeker issue gets compared to how much of an issue it is to wayyyy more consequential stuff around housing, economics and defence. 

Which is ironic given the topic about RAF airbases as one of Labour’s medium to long term plans is to revitalise the existing housing stock on those sites to create more and better housing.