Our fans are also to blame

[MS0204]

1 hour ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Who is that USALeicesterFan twitter account? A proper KPFC shill. Brandead.

Don’t get me started on that absolute whopper, pipes up a load of crap like he knows ticket policies/protests and just in general what’s going on. I had to mute him as the final nail in the coffin was when he said he has as much to do with the club as I do even though he lives the other side of the world. Dare to say anything negative about Leicester and he will throw the clown emoji but you say anything about American politics and he jumps down your throat because we’re English.. absolute cretin of a bloke 

[jayfox26]

2 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

That’s uncalled for. Sorry to hear that 

It's all good, I expected it when i started such a controversial post. Possibly shouldn't have posted it late at night when I'd had several beers and maybe could have worded it a little differently, maybe having the post as a questions rather than a statement. 

[Nolucklcfc]

I do think our fanbase in general is quite impatient and we do turn on managers very quickly (not owners though apparently). Even during games when it’s not quite going our way,  it does feel like it turns quite frustrated a lot quicker than a lot of other clubs and that’s even before this decline of the last 4 years. 
 

I find Uniteds fanbase interesting, they ferociously back whatever manager they have even if they are shit and even when the players don’t turn up they back them, obviously not every single time but mostly. You could argue in a different sort of way, that decline is similar to ours from where they were to what they are now. 
 

 

[MS0204]

So this topic has reached 9 pages.. surely this negativity ain’t going into the Charlton match next Saturday unpopular opinion but perhaps if your spending hundreds on tickets and travel to go up and down the country like most comments I read then perhaps it would do you better to sit one out for a week?

[lcfcbluearmy]

12 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

For me the squad as of 1st September has to have three groups in the eyes of the management and board 

 

- Bomb squad with complete exclusion 

- Players who want to leave but will maintain professionalism 

- Hungry, younger core. 
 

If you look at Pearson’s take over from Sven, he managed to recognise there were a few he could still get some mileage out of initially before letting them leave. Whilst he recognised Mills as a bad egg out of the door but maintained St Ledger for a period until others superseded him 

This is a genuine question was St Ledger a bad egg always struck me as a decent player who just got phased out of the team came back as a scout since so thought he seemed to have some love for the club

[lcfcbluearmy]

3 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Not really, smaller clubs like Birmingham and Wrexham have ended up with wealthy owners. I think we would still be an attractive proposition to anyone who's looking at investing in a football club. 

 

 

Neither of those owners are anywhere near as wealthy as ours:

 

Ryan Reynolds net worth: 350 million dollars - he would have to spend every penny he had just to buy us

 

Tom Wagner net worth: 1.34 billion pounds yes wealthy 

 

Top net worth - 3.5 billion dollars almost twice Wagner

 

So yes they have pumped monet into the clubs they own but don't have the ability to fund a prem club the sane way KP have done in the past

[lcfcbluearmy]

Just now, lcfcbluearmy said:

Neither of those owners are anywhere near as wealthy as ours:

 

Ryan Reynolds net worth: 350 million dollars - he would have to spend every penny he had just to buy us

 

Tom Wagner net worth: 1.34 billion pounds yes wealthy 

 

Top net worth - 3.5 billion dollars almost twice Wagner

 

So yes they have pumped monet into the clubs they own but don't have the ability to fund a prem club the sane way KP have done in the past

This isn't a defence of our owners just pointing out that other owners don't necessarily have the money you might think they do

[Jacob7839]

Don't get me started on the people that clapped the players off after Preston. Actually mind numbing activities from the happy clappers

[CosbehFox]

33 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

This is a genuine question was St Ledger a bad egg always struck me as a decent player who just got phased out of the team came back as a scout since so thought he seemed to have some love for the club

Kinda of my point. He had a rep for being a bad egg but Pearson saw he could use him until he phased him out. 

[hejammy]

Some of the players clearly have an issue with some of the fans, clearly a lot of the fans have issues with some of the players, all of the board and the way we're heading as a football club. 

 

Will this be a case of who blinks first. The players are downing tools cause they think "f it, the ungrateful fans are just being arseholes for no reason. Really is a catch 22 situation. 

 

What the players however should realise is regardless of what the fans say, think or do, the club is paying you a handsome wage to do a job. Do your job and the rest will fall in line. 

[lcfcbluearmy]

9 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Kinda of my point. He had a rep for being a bad egg but Pearson saw he could use him until he phased him out. 

Ah fair ok thank it was a genuine question I just didn't remember what the situation was with him thanks for filling me in

[KrefelderFox666]

46 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Neither of those owners are anywhere near as wealthy as ours:

 

Ryan Reynolds net worth: 350 million dollars - he would have to spend every penny he had just to buy us

 

Tom Wagner net worth: 1.34 billion pounds yes wealthy 

 

Top net worth - 3.5 billion dollars almost twice Wagner

 

So yes they have pumped monet into the clubs they own but don't have the ability to fund a prem club the sane way KP have done in the past

It's not always about how much you have but more importantly what you do with it. I think a lot of fans would get on board with a less wealthy owner who has a clear plan/strategy 

[lcfcbluearmy]

4 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

It's not always about how much you have but more importantly what you do with it. I think a lot of fans would get on board with a less wealthy owner who has a clear plan/strategy 

Yes absolutely completely agree just wanted to point out that wealthy owners are not easy to come by and sone of the owners that are seen as wealthy don't have the money people think they do.

 

However I agree that dosent always matter but it is degrees e.g. Wrexham owners could not in a million years be able to afford to run us

 

But not a defence of our owners because despite investing they have spent it in completely the wrong way

[funkyrobot]

5 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Seems quite unpopular from some of the abuse I've been getting. I'm not welcome on this forum or at the stadium apparently 🤣. 

 

Who'd have thought having an opinion on a fans forum could trigger some people so badly 🤣. 

This coming from a non attending fan so triggered by a loss and by fans that attend matches and/or buy merch that he starts a ranting thread about them all being happy clappers. 🥴

[CornwallFox]

11 hours ago, iancognito said:

You say he hasn't done it intenionally and then state the one the he has done intentionally. He messed with the model of success. Allied to your other statements - we've recruited poorly and given contracts no-one else can afford, means he's in charge of a complete footballing shitshow. If he's not directly responsible for that he should sack the guy who is, yet he doesn't, because they're friends. He's overseen nearly 5 years of steady decline and apart from "the things he's done for the community" no-one can point to anything he's done that's improved the club since his Dad died.

 

I cut him some slack for quite a few seasons but we're an utter shambles right now and it's all down to leadership and direction.

And that's fine but my point was feel free to chant or argue against the leadership, but at least support the team on the pitch. 

[jayfox26]

1 minute ago, funkyrobot said:

This coming from a non attending fan so triggered by a loss and by fans that attend matches and/or buy merch that he starts a ranting thread about them all being happy clappers. 🥴

We're all entitled to our views and opinions, that's what the forum is for. On reflection, the tone of my post should have been different but I stand by my points. The club needs change and us as fans can try and force that change, that's ultimately the the point I was making. Again my opinion, not saying I'm right. 

 

I've quite enjoyed some of the responses and comments from both sides, but i just don't understand why some people get personal. I'm not arsed, I expected it when I posted what was always going to be a controversial post. 

[Manwell Pablo]

2 hours ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Weren’t Chelsea charged with making secretive or overseas payments to players? Isn’t that an offence punishable with a points deduction? 
 

That charge seems to have just disappeared.

 

I haven't heard that one before but no I doubt that would be a points deduction, that sounds more like a fine. 

 

Points deductions are generally to do with Profit and Sustainability rules.

 

Again does it really matter. We shouldn't be making excuses for the failings at the top of the club, we should be highlighting them.

 

5 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Seems quite unpopular from some of the abuse I've been getting. I'm not welcome on this forum or at the stadium apparently 🤣. 

 

Who'd have thought having an opinion on a fans forum could trigger some people so badly 🤣. 

You did kind of throw a hand grenade into the forum by attacking the fans, not saying I don't agree with some of the points you've made but your always going to get a reaction posting that 

[goog]

38 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

We're all entitled to our views and opinions, that's what the forum is for. On reflection, the tone of my post should have been different but I stand by my points. The club needs change and us as fans can try and force that change, that's ultimately the the point I was making. Again my opinion, not saying I'm right. 

 

I've quite enjoyed some of the responses and comments from both sides, but i just don't understand why some people get personal. I'm not arsed, I expected it when I posted what was always going to be a controversial post. 

Why are you even here? 

You said yourself you choose to watch other teams now, so really you are not even a LCFC fan.

 

Before you say you are....

 

Fans don't check in and out when things go wrong.

They stay fans regardless.

In the good and the bad. 

 

Regardless of 

 

Results 

Performance 

Management 

Lack of trophies 

Bad ownership

Relegation

 

Or successes.... 

 

It's the whole definition of a fan.

 

Take the rough with the smooth. 

It's in your blood. 

 

A fan don't turn the tap on and off when they feel like it. 

 

 

 

 

[jayfox26]

22 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I haven't heard that one before but no I doubt that would be a points deduction, that sounds more like a fine. 

 

Points deductions are generally to do with Profit and Sustainability rules.

 

Again does it really matter. We shouldn't be making excuses for the failings at the top of the club, we should be highlighting them.

 

You did kind of throw a hand grenade into the forum by attacking the fans, not saying I don't agree with some of the points you've made but your always going to get a reaction posting that 

Yeh 100% and I've accepted that I probably shouldn't have posted late at night after a few beers. May have approached it differently and worded it differently had I done it the following morning.

[jayfox26]

25 minutes ago, goog said:

Why are you even here? 

You said yourself you choose to watch other teams now, so really you are not even a LCFC fan.

 

Before you say you are....

 

Fans don't check in and out when things go wrong.

They stay fans regardless.

In the good and the bad. 

 

Regardless of 

 

Results 

Performance 

Management 

Lack of trophies 

Bad ownership

Relegation

 

Or successes.... 

 

It's the whole definition of a fan.

 

Take the rough with the smooth. 

It's in your blood. 

 

A fan don't turn the tap on and off when they feel like it. 

 

 

 

 

I didn't say I watch other teams. I said that I would like to take my kids to watch leicester at some point but I won't give my money to the club the way it is now and I said I may consider getting taking them to watch non league. My kids are only 4 and 7 so haven't been to any football games yet. 

 

It's not about checking in or out when things go well/bad, you're assuming I've only supported leicester during good times which isn't true. I've been to games since my dad first took me in 1997. Other than covid I've been to games every single season up until last season when for varying reasons, I'm just not enjoying it anymore. 

 

I've watched prem, champs league, europa league, championship, league 1, I've seen it all.

 

Of course I want the club to be successful and ideally be in the prem but it doesn't overly bother me what league we are in. 

 

I actually really enjoyed our league 1 season and went to many games as the tickets were easier to buy back then. 

 

The main thing for me is a club and a team I can be proud of and get behind, regardless of results/success/league etc. We just don't have that and we won't until changes are made. 

 

I fully accept that my original post came across badly and as I've said earlier, probably shouldn't have posted it late at night after a few beers.

 

I do however stand by my points that the club needs to change and the fans can help with that. 

 

I also stand by my point that I won't give any of my hard earned money to this owner or board. If that makes me a bad fan then that's fine, I can take that.

 

 

[The Horse's Mouth]

8 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

 

 

Can we make him consider selling because the clubs losing money through ticket sales/merch sales etc and embarrass him and his board by having a half empty stadium? Absolutely, but it would take 1000s of people to be on board and judging by many of the comments on here, that will never happen.

 

I

 

Have you seen our finances , top has lost hundreds of millions over the past few years I don’t think attendances halving is really going to impact his pocket as much as it already has 

[fox_favourite]

When fans have seen such a rapid decline, but no one at the club taking responsibility or being pro active, of course there's going to be frustration. When fans have seen inept managers appointed last season, seen a team fail to score for months, frustrations will be shown. If you see the inept people offer high wages to average players who then don't even perform or shown passion..for a number of seasons, frustrations will be there. If you see players with bad attitudes and the same players that were responsible for 2 relegations is that cause for support? 

 

Show desire, commitment, have a club that communicates, see a club wanting to improve, wanting to make changes for the better and fans will support and get behind the club because they can see what is happening. We don't have any of that. Fans don't support a club because they expect the best players. They just want players that care, that show commitment, desire to play. We have little of that and the ones that do are being dragged down by the grumpy bums. 

 

The club is fractured, they've tried to paint over the cracks with Enzo and the last promotion, but sadly the foundations were already unstable.

 

If we had seen significant change after the last relegation (new board members and/or DoF) then we might be in a better position now. The toxic atmosphere has been created due to lack of change, lack of the evolving and, as Nigel would say, being an ostrich. Fans on the whole haven't been (some exceptions of course). They have seen a club in the semi final of a European competition to losing to a mediocre championship team in Preston. 

 

It is a catch 22, but the players need to stop acting like snowflakes, accept there will be criticism and try to change it. At the moment, the club is too fractured and I don't see how or when this will change. If the club believes that this group of players have the right attitude to push for promotion after a fire sale, then they haven't learnt a thing and the ineptitude will take us even lower. How low that is worries me. 

 

 

Edited 18 August 2025 by fox_favourite

[LCFCJohn]

4 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

I didn't say I watch other teams. I said that I would like to take my kids to watch leicester at some point but I won't give my money to the club the way it is now and I said I may consider getting taking them to watch non league. My kids are only 4 and 7 so haven't been to any football games yet. 

 

It's not about checking in or out when things go well/bad, you're assuming I've only supported leicester during good times which isn't true. I've been to games since my dad first took me in 1997. Other than covid I've been to games every single season up until last season when for varying reasons, I'm just not enjoying it anymore. 

 

I've watched prem, champs league, europa league, championship, league 1, I've seen it all.

 

Of course I want the club to be successful and ideally be in the prem but it doesn't overly bother me what league we are in. 

 

I actually really enjoyed our league 1 season and went to many games as the tickets were easier to buy back then. 

 

The main thing for me is a club and a team I can be proud of and get behind, regardless of results/success/league etc. We just don't have that and we won't until changes are made. 

 

I fully accept that my original post came across badly and as I've said earlier, probably shouldn't have posted it late at night after a few beers.

 

I do however stand by my points that the club needs to change and the fans can help with that. 

 

I also stand by my point that I won't give any of my hard earned money to this owner or board. If that makes me a bad fan then that's fine, I can take that.

 

 

On the money. I keep making the same point (being from the same era as to when I started, well a few years after) that we have seen the highs and the lows and it is not about solely winning and being in the top flight but being able to take pride in the club. 
 

The seems to be, albeit a minority, who like to suggest they those who are unhappy only came along in 2016 which is simply untrue and just as bad as what they are accusing you of. 
 

It’s all this, who’s a better fan bs. It doesn’t matter how long you have followed the club (we can’t help when we were born can we) or even if you attend every week (again not everyone lives close enough, can afford etc). I think there is only one actual measure and that is whether you care for the club. People might have different ways of doing that and some are quick to see trouble coming whereas others are blissfully unaware until it arrives. But caring all the same.

 

We have people who attend games who it is just out of habit. They are apathetic, aren’t bothered and outside of that 90 (well 85 when they leave) minutes, don’t have anything invested in the club, even being on a forum like this. Or someone who lives aware, doesn’t attend but did every week for many years, watches the games and is invested in what is happening. The latter cares unlike the former so it’s not just about having a season ticket. 

[Spanner73]

9 hours ago, hejammy said:

Some of the players clearly have an issue with some of the fans, clearly a lot of the fans have issues with some of the players, all of the board and the way we're heading as a football club. 

 

Will this be a case of who blinks first. The players are downing tools cause they think "f it, the ungrateful fans are just being arseholes for no reason. Really is a catch 22 situation. 

 

What the players however should realise is regardless of what the fans say, think or do, the club is paying you a handsome wage to do a job. Do your job and the rest will fall in line. 

And if you join all the dots together where does the rot and decay lead to  ? 
 

That’s right, straight to Dumb & Dumbers door 

 

Culture is created from the Top it’s called Leadership and standards, everything that Pearson built has been dismantled piece by piece. 
 

 

[Spanner73]

3 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

When fans have seen such a rapid decline, but no one at the club taking responsibility or being pro active, of course there's going to be frustration. When fans have seen inept managers appointed last season, seen a team fail to score for months, frustrations will be shown. If you see the inept people offer high wages to average players who then don't even perform or shown passion..for a number of seasons, frustrations will be there. If you see players with bad attitudes and the same players that were responsible for 2 relegations is that cause for support? 

 

Show desire, commitment, have a club that communicates, see a club wanting to improve, wanting to make changes for the better and fans will support and get behind the club because they can see what is happening. We don't have any of that. Fans don't support a club because they expect the best players. They just want players that care, that show commitment, desire to play. We have little of that and the ones that do are being dragged down by the grumpy bums. 

 

The club is fractured, they've tried to paint over the cracks with Enzo and the last promotion, but sadly the foundations were already unstable.

 

If we had seen significant change after the last relegation (new board members and/or DoF) then we might be in a better position now. The toxic atmosphere has been created due to lack of change, lack of the evolving and, as Nigel would say, being an ostrich. Fans on the whole haven't been (some exceptions of course). They have seen a club in the semi final of a European competition to losing to a mediocre championship team in Preston. 

 

It is a catch 22, but the players need to stop acting like snowflakes, accept there will be criticism and try to change it. At the moment, the club is too fractured and I don't see how or when this will change. If the club believes that this group of players have the right attitude to push for promotion after a fire sale, then they haven't learnt a thing and the ineptitude will take us even lower. How low that is worries me. 

 

 

Absolutely spot on !!