Our fans are also to blame

[Lionator]

48 minutes ago, SK3Blue said:

I’m watching non league, I did the whole WSL women’s season last season following Leicester and even they are being ruined by King Power. Not another penny until they are gone. 

What’s the situation with the women’s team? I keep seeing people refer to it. 

[CosbehFox]

4 minutes ago, Lionator said:

What’s the situation with the women’s team? I keep seeing people refer to it. 

Basically a similar paralysis over the summer and now playing catch up on signings etc. Very likely to be bottom of the league. Whilst at same time providing very little encouragement or publicity post Lionesses victory to make crowds grow etc 

Edited 17 August 2025 by CosbehFox

[funkyrobot]

8 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

I understand the social aspect of going to games and to many it's the "norm" but are you/any of the other fans like you happy with the way club is being run? Are you happy with our players, and I don't mean their quality, I mean their commitment? 

 

If you are then you're easily pleased, if not, what can we do to change things? 

 

We should all be proud of our club, can anyone genuinely say they are proud of this club right now? 

 

As for me as a supporter, I've been an LCFC fan all my life (my dad's from leicester) but have lived all my life in the north West. Since I was 10 (1997) I've been to around 10-15 games as season both home and away up until covid and then carried that on until last season when i didn't attend a single game. I don't intend on attending any anytime soon

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Strange that you decided to stop going after a great season when we got promoted? Fans can and do attend and can also be simultaneously be unhappy with a teams performance and commitment. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Like most fans who go I’ll express an emotion that depends on what I’m seeing. I don't boo but as a collective Leicester fans made it quite clear to the owner, the players and the manager last season that the performances were unacceptable. And that will continue.
 

This happy clappers trope is becoming a lazy way of some LCFC fans, particularly non attendees, to moan about the one part of  that is NOT to blame for the current plight of the club. The atmosphere in the stadium home or away directly relates to the football that’s being served up. I can tell you that Leicester owners and players know exactly what our thoughts are at the moment. 

[SK3Blue]

7 minutes ago, Lionator said:

What’s the situation with the women’s team? I keep seeing people refer to it. 

Lost 7/8 players, only brought 3 in, lots of injury problems last season and some players unhappy with their rehab, whole physio/medical team went, still advertising for a first team physio as of last week. 
 

Went 7 months without a DoF, very lucky that 2 other key players didn’t go, deals just fell at the last hurdle. Club doesn’t communicate. 

[Brainy]

I'm absolutely not one of these people at all, but football is a way of life for some people. Getting the new shirt every season, travelling the country every weekend to follow your team. To stop doing this on an individual level is a lot easier to say that it is to actually do. I imagine it's not easy to tell your kids that you don't want to buy them a new shirt because you refuse to give your money to the club. Even if you do you're relying on thousands of other people to stop doing it too to get the impact you suggest on the club. 

 

You do what you have to do but it irks me when people tell other fans how they should support a club, especially when it comes to protesting the club. 

[Wolfox]

6 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Honestly this just comes across as a very apathetic, I’ve been able to enjoy the club in my time so who cares about the future. Comes across a quite a selfish view. Many of us want a health club we can get behind supporting for years and decades into the future as well.
 

I think people such as yourself who use the ‘supported for 50 years’ line, miss the point as to why people are pissed off. Myself, I have supported this club since 2001 when I was 8. I have seen all the ups and downs, from the low of administration, Championship wilderness, relegation to League 1 and to the highs of 2016 and 2021. I didn’t even think I was supporting a club who could have back to back seasons in the Premier League until it happened in 2014. So it’s nothing to do with being relegated, or not being a fixture in the Premier League. It’s the culture of the club and the way it is being run. But this has been covered so often on here. Those who don’t get it (or appear not to), either have their heads so far in the sand or are trolling. 
 

Where I do agree is backing Cifuentes and those calling for him already are a joke. As for the young players, yes exciting. But remember this crop of players has been in the making as a Premier League club. As our standing drops further, we are unlikely to produce these quality players in the same number again. Yes, there will be the odd one (there’s always been a Shilton or Linekar from time to time) but it will become infrequent and they will be taken for pennies in the current football world.

Don’t mistake my view for apathy…. Why would I not care about our future?
 

I may have exaggerated…. I’m 52 and went to my first match at 7 and have had a season ticket more often than not…. Tenure as a supporter doesn’t and shouldn’t have a baring on how much you care…. There are just far more things in the world I can get upset about than a win and loss in our first two league games (yes yes, I understand there are broader questions)…. But you’d be making a mistake if you felt I was a smiley, can’t be bothered, happy clapper…
 

Are we really in a position where we need to be as outraged as many appear to be?  Nah, I’m not having it…. If I were a Wednesday fan, fair enough…. There is a lot of false bravado on here and I personally find it tiresome… it’s a case of shit or get off the pot….   But stop whining!!!

 

I can assure I’m not a troll…. Most of my posts on here are quite mild mannered…. I really enjoy this forum in the main, but the hyperbolic nonsense some spout is deeply tiring for me and many others I suspect…

 

Remember football forums across the world are, in the main, a reflection of your last result…. I like to believe I’m relatively well balanced person

 

but, your responses seem sensible enough, so I’m happy to respond and suspect we’d have an interesting conversation on this topic over a pint…. Cheers 🍻 

[Dahnsouff]

24 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Then if they don’t leave by 1st September, you have to isolate them. They either commit to the plan or don’t. Bomb squad them. 
 

The scenario is similar to Pearson after Sven invested in too many bad personalities. Over a year Pearson set about riding the squad of the bad eggs and replacing them with more dedicated players. 

Can see that as an aim, and board surely cannot have forgotten the success of such a cull. 

 

So until this is complete we just keep trudging through this season, heads up, looking for signs of hope. 

[Tielemans63]

Fans aren't really to blame are they? Top is to blame, ultimately.

 

King Power was decimated following Vichai's tragic death and then Covid

 

Top has kept hold of the club, probably for sentimental reasons following his fathers death, however it's pretty obvious that KP could do without having to fund a PL-level team that involves serious levels of investment. It's pretty clear both organisations are going to the dogs pretty rapidly, partly because of external financial pressure, but largely due to poor management.

 

Top is clearly miles out or his depth, as are the people he's surrounding himself with at the club. It's been error after error in the running of the club, and Top has inexplicably kept faith with those who have a track record of incompetence and failure. He doesn't sack them, because he has even less idea of what to do than they do. If he sacks his confidants then he's completely exposed. People forget that Rudders is a handy fall guy, happy to be paid £200k a year to be so.

 

In my opinion, ultimately Top is to blame. He has the power to sell-up and move on, or to be brave and change personnel, but he keeps it as it is, even though he sees the direction in which the club is headed. 

 

Top is responsible for what we've become. 

Edited 17 August 2025 by Tielemans63

[ashbyj]

It’s not just the pathetic and deluded unconditional love for top from the majority of supporters it’s also a high number of fans being at the defence of players like Daka and Soumare who looked pure dog sh1te after the first 3 games that makes my p155 boil.

Edited 17 August 2025 by ashbyj

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Can see that as an aim, and board surely cannot have forgotten the success of such a cull. 

 

So until this is complete we just keep trudging through this season, heads up, looking for signs of hope. 

For me the squad as of 1st September has to have three groups in the eyes of the management and board 

 

- Bomb squad with complete exclusion 

- Players who want to leave but will maintain professionalism 

- Hungry, younger core. 
 

If you look at Pearson’s take over from Sven, he managed to recognise there were a few he could still get some mileage out of initially before letting them leave. Whilst he recognised Mills as a bad egg out of the door but maintained St Ledger for a period until others superseded him 

[Muzzy_no7]

We have an incredibly passive and conforming fanbase which is now negatively affecting the club.

 

If this was Forest there would be mass protests against the ownership and board.

 

If this was Coventry our attendances would drop by 25-40%.

 

I know we have a lot of banning orders and hundreds of our most passionate do not go to most of our games anymore but it does not account for how complicit large amounts of our fanbase are.

 

I genuinely don’t know where we go to address this, if we indeed can. 

 

 

[MonarchFox]

Mostly I would say no.

 

Although it doesn't help booing the likes of Faes and Winks, im not a fan of them.

 

Sadly in football nowadays (and politics) the Dunning-Kruger effect kicks in and these guys get a great following 

[FoxesTez]

Fans are not to blame but are not helping.

 

Yesterday during the game we had:

 

Boos and a rendition of 'what the ****ing hell was that' for an Ayew corner in the 20 something minute 

Boos at half time 

Chants of 'you don't know what you're doing' to Marti for his half time subs 

Boos as Daka and Faes came into the pitch 

Boos for Daka's first touch

 

Anything other than perfection in terms of results (with the current squad of players) and our fanbase cannot cope.

 

Luckily those players with goodwill get a bit more grace - I can only think of the reactions had Ward let in that first goal or Ayew had dropped a 2/10 like Fatawu did.  

[Clogger_]

13 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Strange that you decided to stop going after a great season when we got promoted? Fans can and do attend and can also be simultaneously be unhappy with a teams performance and commitment. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Like most fans who go I’ll express an emotion that depends on what I’m seeing. I don't boo but as a collective Leicester fans made it quite clear to the owner, the players and the manager last season that the performances were unacceptable. And that will continue.
 

This happy clappers trope is becoming a lazy way of some LCFC fans, particularly non attendees, to moan about the one part of  that is NOT to blame for the current plight of the club. The atmosphere in the stadium home or away directly relates to the football that’s being served up. I can tell you that Leicester owners and players know exactly what our thoughts are at the moment. 

Quite a few lazy tropes in your message "funkyrobot"!

 

I can tell you KP and players think thousands (most?) of the fans in the ground don't give a monkeys about what happens, because they convey no emotion at all. 

 

Out of interest, how do you express displeasure at a game? Frowning? A strongly worded letter? Sitting firmly on your hands at the end of the game???

 

You know what "happy clappers" are because sadly you can't miss them. If you care about our club and have any interest in building an exciting supportive atmosphere then defending these nonentities is a strange way to do it. If they must attend, can we not find dedicated areas for them, maybe with little holders for their flasks next to each seat?

[Saxondale]

That’s now about five threads all started post yesterday’s game expressing the same ‘everything is shìt’ sentiments. It’s all performative outrage.

[Kitchandro]

So many people missing the point on these threads. ‘No, Top is to blame’. Nobody is suggesting that the fans or Marti are solely to blame or more to blame than the owners.

 

That doesn’t mean that the fans, players and manager are, in principle, exempt from criticism.

 

There are too many fans who continue to spend money on the club. That’s not really a debate. Look at the amount of people wearing the new shirts for example. 
 

Now, a lot of these fans might be KPFC types or the kind that just go ‘for something to do’. And there’s no point arguing with these people because they obviously don’t really care.

 

But if you’re on this forum moaning and you’re constantly fed up with this regime (and if you care and have even a tiny of capacity for reflection, you will be) then continuing to contribute to our attendances and club revenue is contributing to the problem. In the sense that an empty stadium on TV and a massive drop in sales would 1) give us media exposure that we badly need to pressurise the owners and in turn perhaps 2) force the club to do something in response. That’s how protest works in a world where, yes, you as an individual don’t have any personal power or influence. If only we had dug our heels in in January 2022 when the terminal decline had started and we had a manager, having just lost 4-1 to local rivals from the league below, began his sabotage to save his reputation. We should have mass protested for his removal then and there. The fans never did, Top wasn’t pressurised to make a decision, and you know the rest.
 

At the very least media exposure for some kind of resistance to what is happening would give this club a bit of pride back. That’s what people see when they look at Sheffield Wednesday. Pride. Self-respect. A proper football club that demands standards from its owners and employees. Why did we even clap those Wednesday fans if we don’t want to be like that?

 

So it’s all very well taking this thread personally and being butthurt, but you must know this deep down. If you go for the ‘social aspect’, you could just socialise doing something else. If the club actually stands for something more than the that, then have a bit of respect for it and say enough is enough. 

Edited 17 August 2025 by Kitchandro

[funkyrobot]

3 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Quite a few lazy tropes in your message "funkyrobot"!

 

I can tell you KP and players think thousands (most?) of the fans in the ground don't give a monkeys about what happens, because they convey no emotion at all. 

 

Out of interest, how do you express displeasure at a game? Frowning? A strongly worded letter? Sitting firmly on your hands at the end of the game???

 

You know what "happy clappers" are because sadly you can't miss them. If you care about our club and have any interest in building an exciting supportive atmosphere then defending these nonentities is a strange way to do it. If they must attend, can we not find dedicated areas for them, maybe with little holders for their flasks next to each seat?

What were the lazy tropes in my message then clogger? I’ll bet the majority of the people bemoaning the ‘happy clappers’ today weren’t even at the game, have no idea of the atmosphere and are just ready to spring in with a happy clappers comment after EVERY loss.

 

As an attendee of all games and many away games (I’m there next week) I’ll react to what I see in front of me. If there’s effort, fight, positive play then I encourage and support. If the team are backs to the wall I’ll encourage and support. I’ll join in with chants. If someone is not putting the effort in, I’ll shout at them to do so. When there’s fans rightly moaning at Rudkin, I’ll join in. If there’s nothing to cheer about, no fight, no effort, then no I’m not going to cheer. 

 

That being said, I’m not going to judge a fellow fan for how they support the club. We have different fans from all age groups and everyone is different. It’s entirely up to them. They aren’t nonentities though, that’s a very strange description. 

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Saxondale said:

That’s now about five threads all started post yesterday’s game expressing the same ‘everything is shìt’ sentiments. It’s all performative outrage.

I don’t think it’s performative. People are depressed about the state of the club and deeply anxious about the future, and there’s no obvious solution. We have arrived at a situation in which both the squad and the fanbase are completely toxic, united only in their mutual loathing of each other. The squad blames it on the fans for being negative and not supporting them, and the fans blame it on the squad for not trying. Neither side seems able to change anything. It’s a vicious death spiral and nobody at the club seems to know what to do about it. 

[RonnieTodger]

21 minutes ago, FoxesTez said:

Fans are not to blame but are not helping.

 

Yesterday during the game we had:

 

Boos and a rendition of 'what the ****ing hell was that' for an Ayew corner in the 20 something minute 

Boos at half time 

Chants of 'you don't know what you're doing' to Marti for his half time subs 

Boos as Daka and Faes came into the pitch 

Boos for Daka's first touch

 

Anything other than perfection in terms of results (with the current squad of players) and our fanbase cannot cope.

 

Luckily those players with goodwill get a bit more grace - I can only think of the reactions had Ward let in that first goal or Ayew had dropped a 2/10 like Fatawu did.  

I thought he did. He was abysmal yesterday. 

[em9999]

I go to games for the son's sake and it's something to do

 

Half of the time I'm on my phone watching another match 

 

It's that dull 

[Saxondale]

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

I don’t think it’s performative. People are depressed about the state of the club and deeply anxious about the future, and there’s no obvious solution. We have arrived at a situation in which both the squad and the fanbase are completely toxic, united only in their mutual loathing of each other. The squad blames it on the fans for being negative and not supporting them, and the fans blame it on the squad for not trying. Neither side seems able to change anything. It’s a vicious death spiral and nobody at the club seems to know what to do about it. 

Yeah I get it, but I think it’s performative in the way that fans feel the need to out- do each other in their expressions of disgust, hence starting thread after thread of the same whinging shit rather than just contributing to the existing threads.

[Lionator]

8 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

That’s now about five threads all started post yesterday’s game expressing the same ‘everything is shìt’ sentiments. It’s all performative outrage.

I think it’s more desperation. The train is hurtling down the hill without any brakes and people can see that at this point the many opportunities to apply brakes have been squandered. We are now heading to oblivion. 

[funkyrobot]

4 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

So many people missing the point on these threads. ‘No, Top is to blame’. Nobody is suggesting that the fans or Marti are solely to blame or more to blame than the owners.

 

That doesn’t mean that the fans, players and manager are, in principle, exempt from criticism.

 

There are too many fans who continue to spend money on the club. That’s not really a debate. Look at the amount of people wearing the new shirts for example. 
 

Now, a lot of these fans might be KPFC types or the kind that just go ‘for something to do’. And there’s no point arguing with these people because they obviously don’t really care.

 

But if you’re on this forum moaning and you’re constantly fed up with this regime (and if you care and have even a tiny of capacity for reflection, you will be) then continuing to contribute to our attendances and club revenue is contributing to the problem. In the sense that an empty stadium on TV and a massive drop in sales would 1) give us media exposure that we badly need to pressurise the owners and in turn perhaps 2) force the club to do something in response. That’s how protest works in a world where, yes, you as an individual don’t have any personal power or influence.
 

At the very least media exposure for some kind of resistance to what is happening would give this club a bit of pride back. That’s what people see when they look at Sheffield Wednesday. Pride. Self-respect. A proper football club that demands standards from its owners and employees. Why did we even clap them if we don’t want to be like that?

 

So it’s all very well taking this thread personally and being butthurt, but you must know this deep down. If you go for the ‘social aspect’, you could just socialise doing something else. If the club actually stands for something more than the that, then have a bit of respect for it and say enough is enough. 

So you give Sheffield Wednesday fans attending the game at Leicester and presumably the 22k that showed up at Hillsborough maximum credit but you criticise Leicester City fans for attending games? 

[FoxesTez]

7 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

I thought he did. He was abysmal yesterday. 

Replace Ayew with Daka/BDCR or whoever in my post if it helps you to understand the point. 

[Kitchandro]

8 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

So you give Sheffield Wednesday fans attending the game at Leicester and presumably the 22k that showed up at Hillsborough maximum credit but you criticise Leicester City fans for attending games? 

I give them credit for their protest at our ground, yes. Why would they care if LCFC make money from away fan ticket sales? They don’t support us.

 

As for attending Hillsborough - it’s not necessarily how I would choose to protest with our club, but the difference is they did protest yesterday and it got loads of exposure. There’s no debate about how they feel about their owner and everyone in football, including the media is backing them, to the point where the Football League has actually had to get involved (even though they can’t make him sell).

 

Our fans are different. There’s chants against Rudkin but no mass protests against the real problem, the owners. There’s no mass boycott either. It’s just not enough, too many have refused to oppose Top and that is part of the problem.