FAO Levein Bumlickers..

[shen]

i dont see why people should take into account the few things levein has done which are good. if we get relegated under craig levein will the fans who are behind him now still be behind him then.

i dont think so. we have a team of players that are capable of keeping us up but like TPH says levein looks scared of changing things when things are not going our way and he does persist to try and make out none of this is his fault. if he hasnt got the guts to admit to his mistakes he dont deserve to be manager of our club leicester city

His problem is that he's changing the wrong things, not that he's scared of making changes

[Foxes 2 da grave]

His problem is that he's changing the wrong things, not that he's scared of making changes

yeh but if i was the manager today i would of put dion on instead of MDV due to the fact that we were having a few corners. But levein makes changes to late when they havent got time to make a impact on the game

[shen]

yeh but if i was the manager today i would of put dion on instead of MDV due to the fact that we were having a few corners. But levein makes changes to late when they havent got time to make a impact on the game

Boy am I glad you're not manager then!

[The People's Hero]

yeh but if i was the manager today i would of put dion on instead of MDV due to the fact that we were having a few corners. But levein makes changes to late when they havent got time to make a impact on the game

Yeah - he does seem to do that.

Panics.

[martyn]

Not a million miles away then.

Do you follow City much when they're in this neck of the woods? Palace? Brighton? etc.

Never been to the Withdean actually. Always go to Palace, Reading, Charlton and Southampton (despite it being the best part of 2 hours away). Went to Watford this season as well.

[Babylon]

Will any of you now concede that the man is not untouchable? However much you like his style or his glasses or the way in which he refuses to ever take any blame himself, surely you yourselves would accept that results under him have not been and are not good enough.

A rare glimpse of quality once every five or six games simply does not cut it. I'm sure he's a nice bloke but he's just not doing a good enough job.

Has anyone bum licked him on here?? I've certainly not seen it.

When has anyone made out he is untouchable?

When has anyone said any differently about results being bad?

What people have said is that changing a manager doesn't guarantee things getting better!!! Taylor, Bassett, Adams (to some extent) and Levein have all failed to reach your expectations. What makes you think the next person is going to?

You cannot keep chopping and changing managers and expect anything to improve. Like i've said before look at Forest, Wimbledon, Southamptonm Sheffield Wednesday, Coventry.... all prime example of teams changing managers every 12 months!!

IF you get rid of Levein and bring someone else in, how long are you going to give them??? What if in a years time we are only a few points better off. Will you start a campaign to get rid of them and give someone else a go?? That would mean more contracts to pay off for the manager and all his staff. You cannot keep doing it for ever!!!!

We could get someone else in and fly up the table, that's great. But if we don't what then?? At what point are we going to say, "right that's it. We are going to stick with them for the long haul!!"

[The People's Hero]

Success isn't guaranteed if we bring someone else in, I know that. But it's no reason to stick with someone who quite clearly hasn't got what it takes.

[New England Fox]

I realise I cant actually judge too well, not being able to actually go to any games of course. But I'm not really a Levein hater or a Levein fan, infact, Im rather indifferent towards him.

But thinking about things logically for a moment.....would it REALLY be a good idea to sack him now? The transfer window is right around the corner and if we find ourselves managerless then surely that will hinder us in buying new players.

Not to mention the fact that if a new manager did come in, he would need time to asses the squad and decide on areas of needed improvement, and by the time he does that the window will be all but closed and he will be stuck with what is already at the club.

Surely the more sensible option is to stick with Levein and allow him to makes changes in the transfer window and hope that brings about an improvement. True it may not, but I really see it as the more sensible options. From reading and listening to his interviews, it does seem to me that he knows what the improvements need to be made,so I say give him the chance.

and besides......if we did sack him.....who would we bring in....or more to the point,who would want the job?

[Babylon]

Success isn't guaranteed if we bring someone else in, I know that. But it's no reason to stick with someone who quite clearly hasn't got what it takes.

But how long are you going to carry on with that attitude? Will you ever stick with a manager. Surely the club cannot bank role sacking managers for ever!!!

Should we start handing out 6 month contracts???

[The People's Hero]

If you had a pair of shoes that was really hurting your feet, would you keep them, thinking that they'd eventually get more comfortable? Would you console yourself that it's fine to wear uncomfotable shoes because there might be some worse ones out there, perhaps?

Or would you get a decent pair of shoes?

I think that's actually quite a good analogy.

[Babylon]

If you had a pair of shoes that was really hurting your feet, would you keep them, thinking that they'd eventually get more comfortable? Would you console yourself that it's fine to wear uncomfotable shoes because there might be some worse ones out there, perhaps?

Or would you get a decent pair of shoes?

I think that's actually quite a good analogy.

It is... but your forgetting not everyone can keep buying new shoes if the ones you have hurt?? Especially when there is no guarantee the shoes you are buying are going to fit better. They could indeed be 2 sizes smaller and hurt even more!

[The People's Hero]

Indeed, but I've accounted for the possibility that worse shoes are available. That's why the analogy rocks and I am so so proud of it.

[TornadoShaunUK]

You can see what hes getting it, we do usually play really well and still fail to win but theres only so many times you can put itdown to luck before it starts to get tiresome. I'd like to see someone with a little experience in the English league to come in. Preferably a manager in a lower division that is doing well. Pitty Burley has gone we would have been rampant under him.. having said that.. I notice southampton took a 3-0 bashing today..

[Foxes 2 da grave]

It is... but your forgetting not everyone can keep buying new shoes if the ones you have hurt?? Especially when there is no guarantee the shoes you are buying are going to fit better. They could indeed be 2 sizes smaller and hurt even more!

whos stupid enough to buy shoes two sizes to small apart from the person who employed levein

[Babylon]

whos stupid enough to buy shoes two sizes to small apart from the person who employed levein

Funny how most people on here were glad about the appointment. So i'd guess lots of people are walking around with sore feet.

The fact remains you don't know what might happen. We could get Arsene bleeding Wenger and still be shit.

[TornadoShaunUK]

Funny how most people on here were glad about the appointment. So i'd guess lots of people are walking around with sore feet.

The fact remains you don't know what might happen. We could get Arsene bleeding Wenger and still be shit.

if we got Arsene Wenger with our squad I'd be willing to bet we would still be shit!

It's going to take someone of Alex Ferguson proportions to get us out of this...

[STUHILL]

I realise I cant actually judge too well, not being able to actually go to any games of course. But I'm not really a Levein hater or a Levein fan, infact, Im rather indifferent towards him.

But thinking about things logically for a moment.....would it REALLY be a good idea to sack him now? The transfer window is right around the corner and if we find ourselves managerless then surely that will hinder us in buying new players.

Not to mention the fact that if a new manager did come in, he would need time to asses the squad and decide on areas of needed improvement, and by the time he does that the window will be all but closed and he will be stuck with what is already at the club.

Surely the more sensible option is to stick with Levein and allow him to makes changes in the transfer window and hope that brings about an improvement. True it may not, but I really see it as the more sensible options. From reading and listening to his interviews, it does seem to me that he knows what the improvements need to be made,so I say give him the chance.

and besides......if we did sack him.....who would we bring in....or more to the point,who would want the job?

Genius, i couldn't have said it any better myself! Bringing in a new manager now would probably be the worst possible time, a massive ask for any manager to turn things around with the number of issues to consider that Florida Fox pointed out! Despite what 'The People's Hero' constantly suggests, no-one is happy with the results and no one is a CL bumlicker, we just want what is best for the team and at this moment in time, sacking CL and bringing in a new guy, just isn't a logical answer!!!

[davieG]

if we got Arsene Wenger with our squad I'd be willing to bet we would still be shit!

It's going to take someone of Alex Ferguson proportions to get us out of this...

It took him a hell of a long while to get Man U going in the right direction and was on the brink of dismissal, I can't understand why people continue to use Fergie as an example of why you should sack someone

[HUUUUUUUUUUME]

i think levein will make the club better it took him a while at hearts but he did it aventually and if we did sack him we are right back at square 1

[Katy]

Ive always been amused by your theory James, that everyone who supports Levein is living up his bum crack. I support Levein (although wavering slightly after today) but have never 'bumlicked' him. Were you at the game today btw?

[Jimmy]

today was the last straw for me, 2 points from home games against crewe and millwall immediatly following each other is not good enough, not for some favourable officiating rab would of cost us the match, he wasnt fouled when he punched the ball into the net, kisnorbo was total bollocks but levein hasnt got the guts to drop them.

do the decent thing, as mickey did, walk away, in other words F*** OFF LEVEIN

[Manwell Pablo]

The bloke is not doing a job at the minute I have to say. It's a sorry state of affairs, 2 points at home to sides who are quite clearly relegation fodder ( Crewe actually looked like a league one side when we played em ) just is not good enough.

Sad fact of the matter is, I tink you do have to give the bloke the January transfere window to see what he can do to sort this mess out, we lost David Connolly on the last day, and were rushed to replace him. We ended up with Hume and Hammond. Who (lively as they can look at times) dont have the years of experince regularly finding the back of the net at this level that Connolly had. People may comment that he only scored 15 goals last season, but we wouldn't of even finished 15th if it werent for his goals... he found his form at the end of last season, and he ceratinly looked good at this start of this one. by my calculations he's still our joint third highest goalscorer as well. People over look the fact that a offer was made that we couldnt turn down for a player who we did very much need.

Before he went we were all saying the Leicester needed a striker, what we got was a player who will grow into a very good player at this level.... in 2-3 years time, and Elvis Hammond, a squad player (an inexperinced one at that) at best who will not put in a god performance that often. Not bad panic buys really, but still panic buys none the less.

there are other factors contributing to the bad reasults which Levein could quite easily address though. Kisnorbo looks miserable in the centre and never creates anything, occasional having a game where he will offer some defensive back up and little or nothing else. I remember him saying he was up for the "Makele" role. Maybe he should look at how Claude actually plays, winning the ball, and delivering a first time pass to a well placed playmaker to set up a immediate counter. Instead of ( on the rare occasions he does win the ball ) Dethering about for about 4 seconds and then passing to the nearest player that is either parrel to or behind him. CL could also sort the LB sitiuation out as well if he actaully sat down and thought about it, recall Wilcox? has to be worth a go. Also Im quite sure if he had a little chat with Alan Sheehan, encouraged him, offered him some extra postioning training for a couple of weeks, and told him his next chance would come at Hillborough, he would see a differnt player.

We also need a few older proffesionals IMO, around the 28,29,30 bracket. Im sorry to everyone he thinks the team needs to be as young as possibe but I think one of the reasons that match costing lapses in concentration occur ( the other reason having the initials R.D) is due to Craig lowering the average of the team to somthing stupid like 23. we need a a couple of older heads, at Center half for certain, and possibly a Center midfielder who isn't a bold, Psycotic Austrlian.

This is why he needs to be given till January, coupled to the fact that I for one certainly dont want to waste what little cash we have on paying him off, and then having to either A) pay even more for a manager with some promise who may end up being even less suitable for the job then Levien. Or B) Hire a John Gregory, a Dave Basset, or a Peter Reid.

Way it up... what would you rather have new players in January and CL, or a new manager and the current set of players, who to be fair about it, are more to blame IMO then him.

[Thracian]

It's comments like this that frustrate me on here sometimes.

TPH, you make some good points and I often find myself agreeing with you when I read this board. What gets my goat (Libertine has brought it up previously) is that fans who don't necessarily want Levein out (at this point & for whatever reason) are not automatically 'bumlickers' or proclaim CL to be a messiah. That is simply not true and seldom have I seen CL supporters praising him to the levels which the CL out brigade would have you believe.

Absolutely right. So many changes have occured at the club that many of us feel that, after the purchases of the January window, some of the weak spots will be glassed over and that the team will look more like one that can challenge at the other end.

Trouble is, week by week, we drop points against teams who we ought to be despatching easily until we've reached the point now where nervousness will creep in and when some of the better players start feeling there's no point because we're out of promotion contention.

If there's no improvement after January then the very real question of Levein's future will arise and all the economic and staff upheaval that could raise. To me, as I have felt for a long time, Levein needs a tactician to asist him and he needs those specialist coaches I mentioned.

Look at today. Final ball invariably in the air but no aerial players to receive it again, again, how many times again. Smith must have made a 10-15 crosses and we managed not one header that I can recall as a result.

We were no threat from corners, AGAIN, we were punished through left-back, AGAIN, Rab was desperately uncertain and unconvincing for large parts of the game, AGAIN, Tiatto was a prat, AGAIN, and that is basically it... we make the SAME errors time and AGAIN.

[ithuriel]

i dont normally post on here but after watching that garbage against millwall ive got to say im really worried about city getting relegated to div1.

i also will not be going to the norwich game. i can only endure so much rubbish and wins , let alone good performances under CL are like gold dust.

[Ultra]

We were no threat from corners, AGAIN, we were punished through left-back, AGAIN, Rab was desperately uncertain and unconvincing for large parts of the game, AGAIN, Tiatto was a prat, AGAIN, and that is basically it... we make the SAME errors time and AGAIN.

Indeed.

So what conclusions should we draw about the management and coaching team whose job it is to correct such basic flaws?

We have a decent squad of players who all too often have been let down by unprofessional attitudes both on and off the pitch.

If we had passed the football as well as CL passes the buck at after-match press conferences, we would now be neck and neck with Reading, instead of 37 points behind!