Claudio Fannieri Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: You literally said its about having a good position to negotiate from in January For certain players yes, there is still an option we could sell Daka and Soumare for low fees in January, it’s not beyond the realms.
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 Just now, Claudio Fannieri said: Big difference when you are in the premier league and the revenues that brings you can do this however in the championship you cannot afford to have a player on £60k per week sat in the stands. and let’s be honest it didn’t end well for Ruud did it and he was pretty much calling out the piss poor standards and culture from the outset and wasn’t supported in trying to change it just moved on. Okay so it's good optics when we're clearly going down to have lads sat around doing nothing
LiliansLeftPeg Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 2 hours ago, Gamble92 said: He should be doing a lot better. Even the squad in its current state should be right near the top and no one will convince me otherwise. Looking at the other squads on paper there's hardly anyone I would swap based purely on talent. Football isn't played on paper, though. In reality, this squad's current state is 4 points off Championship playoffs following an embarrassing PL season, losing 25/38 league games, losing 8 on the spin without scoring and losing 18 of our last 23 matches. Yes, this league is bad... but so are we! Personally I'd swap Faes, Soumaré, Daka, Skipp, Ayew, Kristiansen, Coulibaly with most players in this league in an instant. I'd sell the likes of Vestegaard, Thomas, Hamza if a bid the value of a mars bar came in, just to get the wages off the books. Even if I agreed they had talent at this level, it counts for nothing if they won't apply it and haven't applied it under the last 3 managers. A fourth manager is incredibly unlikely to change that. For me, the squad is a bigger issue than the manager at this moment. 3
trooky Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 26 minutes ago, sm1 said: We've got a squad good enough to be mixing at the top. The majority of the team that walked the championship is here plus we have JJ. Yes, there are glaring issues at striker, but that's where a top coach comes into effect. When Enzo moved Ndidi to CAM, most felt it was a wrong decision. He made it work by giving him a clear role. Mavs and Fats looked much better because Enzo isolated them 1:1 with opponents. Even Daka had a golden period just before Afcon. The longer Marti has been here the worse we've got. He's shown zero ability to solve these conundrums. I agree we should be doing better, but the squad is much weaker than under Enzo. We're missing KDH, Ndidi, Vardy and Iheanacho from that team. Enzo is clearly a much better coach than Marti and would have this team in the playoffs though IMO. 1
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 Just now, Claudio Fannieri said: For certain players yes, there is still an option we could sell Daka and Soumare for low fees in January, it’s not beyond the realms. Oh so now its about values again and not just optics as you just said. Who's paying a fee for them? When they can agree to take them for free and have them join 6 months later
Claudio Fannieri Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 Just now, Tommy Fresh said: Okay so it's good optics when we're clearly going down to have lads sat around doing nothing Just for the record I ain’t Top and I don’t agree with it but football is more than just results, it’s about finances and PSR etc etc
Pliskin Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 5 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: 100% the culture is miles away from it where it was previously. It is but the right manager can change that culture. I don’t think Marti has the dressing room on side, the body language of the players and overall demeanour suggests as much. Regardless of players attitudes, if they buy into their managers philosophy, their game improves. It’s down to man management….. it’s like dressing a salad, who actually likes eating leaves? Well dress it with Gravy and no one will eat it…. Dress it with a nice salad dressing and even those who don’t like salad may try it, like it, and eat it…… This is the type of manager we need at the moment….. someone who can appeal to the personalities within the group over their own philosophy…… you see it time and time again. Marti is trying to carry on implementing his way, whilst he’s getting resistance from the players….. it will never end well.
trooky Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 29 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: As I have said previously I ain’t sure Marti wants to pick some of them, I think once the transfer window closed he was told to reintegrate certain players and they had to be included in the match day squad to keep them in the shop window and to retain some negotiating position for the January window. the fact they weren’t necessarily in the starting XI at the start of the season backs that up. This is pure speculation, unless you have links to Marti or the club? Most managers leave their unsettled players out in August if they're being linked with moves. Marti has struggled and tried just about every player in the squad in search of a solution.
Claudio Fannieri Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 Just now, Tommy Fresh said: Oh so now its about values again and not just optics as you just said. Who's paying a fee for them? When they can agree to take them for free and have them join 6 months later It’s about both, you do realise there is PSR to navigate? I am just giving up a perspective, it’s about optics, utilising assets and balancing that with trying to secure best possible deals for players who could move on in January. As for teams who could come in for any of our out of contract players. teams in relegation trouble may look at players like Winks, Soumare, Daka as cheap gambles to come in and help stay up. We did it with Coulibaly. It does happen.
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 3 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Just for the record I ain’t Top and I don’t agree with it but football is more than just results, it’s about finances and PSR etc etc Oh yeah but then it doesn't make sense they wouldn't tell him to play probably one of our biggest assets in Nelson who we've turned down bids for 1
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said: It’s about both, you do realise there is PSR to navigate? I am just giving up a perspective, it’s about optics, utilising assets and balancing that with trying to secure best possible deals for players who could move on in January. As for teams who could come in for any of our out of contract players. teams in relegation trouble may look at players like Winks, Soumare, Daka as cheap gambles to come in and help stay up. We did it with Coulibaly. It does happen. PSR to navigate, see my post with regards to not playing Nelson
Claudio Fannieri Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 2 minutes ago, Pliskin said: It is but the right manager can change that culture. I don’t think Marti has the dressing room on side, the body language of the players and overall demeanour suggests as much. Regardless of players attitudes, if they buy into their managers philosophy, their game improves. It’s down to man management….. it’s like dressing a salad, who actually likes eating leaves? Well dress it with Gravy and no one will eat it…. Dress it with a nice salad dressing and even those who don’t like salad may try it, like it, and eat it…… This is the type of manager we need at the moment….. someone who can appeal to the personalities within the group over their own philosophy…… you see it time and time again. Marti is trying to carry on implementing his way, whilst he’s getting resistance from the players….. it will never end well. You can if you have the support of the owner and DoF but if you come in and change things and certain players go snivelling and whining to the owner and they don’t double down on the support for the manager then their position is completely undermined. 1
Claudio Fannieri Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 Just now, Tommy Fresh said: PSR to navigate, see my post with regards to not playing Nelson You know best pal
Happy Fox Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 He’s very lucky we got a win! But with a pending points deduction there is no chance, we are making the playoffs with Marti. 1
Reg Vardy Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 Just now, Happy Fox said: He’s very lucky we got a win! But with a pending points deduction there is no chance, we are making the playoffs with Marti. Why do we want to? To come back down again? Need to get structure of club in good shape, which require removal of half the squad, replacement, and then go again, pointless going up/playoffs, to repeat last season……build something….. 4
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 5 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: You know best pal So do you apparently, let me know when you've had chance to come up with a reason how not playing Ben Nelson is beneficial to PSR. Hopefully Marti is successful with us because he actually seems a decent bloke
JimJams Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 Marti has been dealt a bad hand on the striker front. We haven't got one worth a shite, and that's a big problem. However we have at least 3 (2.5 if we factor Mavs form) wingers who can beat a man for fun. Fatawu and Monga are excellent runners of the ball and can take a man on at will, often beating them, but aren't generally in effective positions once they do that. Knowing this I think MC should have done more to try and get these 2 or 3 into positions on the pitch where beating their man leads to dangerous situations, but it doesn't. That's because they're getting the ball after a turnover in which we've passed it around so much we've allowed the opposition to get back and reset, or they're playing too far wide meaning beating a man at best puts you in a crossing position. We've bizarrely taken to only playing one of them in games which means it's a piece of piss to shift the defence across to double up, sometimes triple up on the man on the ball. People are getting frustrated with Abduls end product now, but that's partly to do with what I've just mentioned. Once he's gone past a player, he's rarely in the box, he's still well out of it and our solo striker is marked by 2 and the opposite winger hasn't made moves into the box. So it's a speculative shot which mostly ends up setting off someones car alarm or it's a cross to nothing. Monga tends to play the safe pass back once he's run out of limited options. They'd have more options if we had fullbacks in support offering them an outlet or a decoy for defenders, but we don't have fullbacks that get forward. Our fullbacks are cowardly really. They don't get forward in support at all because the onus is on recycling the ball in order not to turn it over and be out of position on the transition. Which kills your attacking impetus. We also don't use the b2b 8's that Enzo used to play off on the inside/underlap that worked to a degree. You need to use one of these to make the wingers more effective, otherwise you're just hoping one of them pulls a rabbit out of a hat every game, which isn't sustainable. Less so when you only play one of them. I suppose it just comes down to me thinking he needs to set up to get the best from our best players rather than setting up to mitigate the weaknesses of our more limited players. Though having said that I don't think he's actually doing the latter either. Anyway I'm bored of typing and you're bored of reading. 1
Popular Post DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 November 2025 Popular Post Posted 9 November 2025 23 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Faes and Winks came in pretty much straight after the window closed. VK is another who came back into the match day squad, once available. Personally I wouldn’t have had Faes, Winks, Soumare, VK or Daka anywhere near the squad this season as I don’t think any of them are committed to the cause and cannot wait to get our, however I ain’t so sure our manager is afforded the same choices by his bosses. As would most of the forum, but there’s no reality of a manager actually being able to do that in the real world. You can possibly get away with banishing one player, maybe two at a stretch - but there’s no chance a manager would be allowed to do such a thing to all 5 mentioned… especially given the wages they’re on / the combined potential re-sale value of those players that would tank if you publicly ostracise them to a youth team. You know, Marti might not really want all five mentioned long term… but want he will recognise is getting £25-£30+ million in sales from those players is likely to give him funds to reinvest in the squad, so it’s in his interests to try and maintain some sort of market value for these players. There are of course other internal factors at play too, such as squad harmony and these players individual standings within the squad. Marti had to come in an offer a clean slate to all and try and build a togetherness within the squad. Isolating five senior players from the off - that’s unlikely to get you very far especially if some of those players are quite popular within the squad - I can’t imagine the Wink’s saga did Ruud any favours. And of course whilst the window is closed players are going nowhere, so with 8 weeks of football still left until the next transfer window and a busy festive fixture list soon upon us, it doesn’t make sense for Marti to completely cast aside anyone in the squad just yet. Fans on here have the luxury of naming a preferred starting 11 with no consequence to their selections and based on very limited factors (i.e. their view on that players recent performances or lack of). 8 1
Happy Fox Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 21 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said: Why do we want to? To come back down again? Need to get structure of club in good shape, which require removal of half the squad, replacement, and then go again, pointless going up/playoffs, to repeat last season……build something….. Getting promoted is the only viable option to effect the change , being stuck in the championship won’t help! We need a better manager, Marti has done nothing imo to suggest he has the credentials to be that man.
teblin Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 I want him too so well, I don’t want to keep changing manager. The goal at the end probably bought him some time, need to follow up with wins at home after the break. As well as Southampton in the middle. But all 3 are tough games
Claudio Fannieri Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 34 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: So do you apparently, let me know when you've had chance to come up with a reason how not playing Ben Nelson is beneficial to PSR. Hopefully Marti is successful with us because he actually seems a decent bloke 34 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: So do you apparently, let me know when you've had chance to come up with a reason how not playing Ben Nelson is beneficial to PSR. Hopefully Marti is successful with us because he actually seems a decent bloke Personally I don’t agree with not including Nelson, but perhaps the club and Marti do know the plan and therefore this is what’s driving selection. Nelson won’t be on massive wages but the others are and I think trying to get that £10m or so in wages shifted is paramount. 2
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: As would most of the forum, but there’s no reality of a manager actually being able to do that in the real world. You can possibly get away with banishing one player, maybe two at a stretch - but there’s no chance a manager would be allowed to do such a thing to all 5 mentioned… especially given the wages they’re on / the combined potential re-sale value of those players that would tank if you publicly ostracise them to a youth team. You know, Marti might not really want all five mentioned long term… but want he will recognise is getting £25-£30+ million in sales from those players is likely to give him funds to reinvest in the squad, so it’s in his interests to try and maintain some sort of market value for these players. There are of course other internal factors at play too, such as squad harmony and these players individual standings within the squad. Marti had to come in an offer a clean slate to all and try and build a togetherness within the squad. Isolating five senior players from the off - that’s unlikely to get you very far especially if some of those players are quite popular within the squad - I can’t imagine the Wink’s saga did Ruud any favours. And of course whilst the window is closed players are going nowhere, so with 8 weeks of football still left until the next transfer window and a busy festive fixture list soon upon us, it doesn’t make sense for Marti to completely cast aside anyone in the squad just yet. Fans on here have the luxury of naming a preferred starting 11 with no consequence to their selections and based on very limited factors (i.e. their view on that players recent performances or lack of). I didn't mention half of those players he's mentioned by the way, just don't pick the ones that according to the original post he referenced as potentially ignoring Marti's instructions. Also if we get 25-30 on a combination of Faes, Winks, Kristiansen, Soumare and Daka then we've done very well Edited 9 November 2025 by Tommy Fresh
Dahnsouff Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said: Now he is, it doesn't explain the previous 3 months does it Guess I did not enter this chat on the ground floor.
Pliskin Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said: You can if you have the support of the owner and DoF but if you come in and change things and certain players go snivelling and whining to the owner and they don’t double down on the support for the manager then their position is completely undermined. Very true, which appears to be a problem here….. players having the ability to run to Top…… which was clearly an issue with Cooper! 2
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 November 2025 Posted 9 November 2025 2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said: For certain players yes, there is still an option we could sell Daka and Soumare for low fees in January, it’s not beyond the realms. Daka is unsaleable, you seem to be not factoring in Daka would have to leave. And Patson Daka is on 80k here. I imagine Soumare is in a similar if not quite as an impossible situation.
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