Rubbersoul Posted 18 January Posted 18 January Wrexham A Oxford H Charlton H Birmingham A Stoke A Middlesbrough A Really not looking forward to this run of games.
Popular Post Stadt Posted 18 January Popular Post Posted 18 January (edited) If we’re losing games anyway why not give Evans the the odd minutes Sumo-are and S. Thomas are getting. Developmentally it makes a far bigger difference for Evans than the others. We’ve seen how Page has come on Leaps and bounds Edited 18 January by Stadt 5
Mickyblueeyes Posted 18 January Posted 18 January We need to get smashed in the next 3. He needs the pay out as he paid to be here so won’t leave despite knowing he isn’t fit for the job.
winteriscoming Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 26 minutes ago, Rubbersoul said: Wrexham A Oxford H Charlton H Birmingham A Stoke A Middlesbrough A Really not looking forward to this run of games. No reason we shouldn’t be winning those first 3 games. With this prat though we’ll do well to get 2 draws out of the first 3.
Winstonthedog Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 3 hours ago, BeaumontFox said: EXACTLY!!! The league is shit and we’re in the second half of it because we’re even shitter than Cov!! True .... I hate losing games .... but worse still its the way we are losing .... NO fight NO passion, NOT bothered, body language says it all .... roll over and give up ... 1
Parker Pen Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 12 minutes ago, winteriscoming said: No reason we shouldn’t be winning those first 3 games. With this prat though we’ll do well to get 2 draws out of the first 3. Spot on but we have even stopped drawing games as well. Just shows that he has no way back into a game that we fall behind in. We have no ability to scrap to a draw or win ugly! I wouldn’t be surprised if we only pick up 3 points in those next six matches if we stick with Marti. We aren’t winning or drawing away and throwing away points at home. 1
Gazza3 Posted 18 January Posted 18 January We just don't look as fit as other teams - I think that is why we struggle for a full match performance. Manager doesn't change anything until damage has been done. This season is done . Total reset needed in the summer with a big clear out of all coaches , fitness coaches , set piece coach and manager . Look at the other teams that are doing well and try to poach their staff. It's not rocket science. Sack everyone and start again 😝😜 1
Corky Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 1 hour ago, Claridge said: We would be doing a lot better under Cooper in this league, shows how bad Marti is i suppose We probably would. Cooper is more suited to this level and was appointed at the wrong time. Another failing by the powers that be.
foxtillidrop Posted 18 January Posted 18 January (edited) I don't understand, how has he paid to be with us? Presume hd hasn't physically paid the club with cash, but may have given up some form of compensation due from his old club? The in game management from the staff and players has been diabolical - we've dropped about 15 points having squandered the lead on countless occassions straight after half time. Edited 18 January by foxtillidrop
BeaumontFox Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 37 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said: True .... I hate losing games .... but worse still its the way we are losing .... NO fight NO passion, NOT bothered, body language says it all .... roll over and give up ... There are a lot saying that the manager is the problem. Marti isn’t the best, but NOBODY is going to get a tune out of these pissants. Keep Marti unless we end up in the relegation zone, then rebuild in the summer.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 1 hour ago, Stadt said: If we’re losing games anyway why not give Evans the the odd minutes Sumo-are and S. Thomas are getting. Developmentally it makes a far bigger difference for Evans than the others. We’ve seen how Page has come on Leaps and bounds Haha YD 1
Dahnsouff Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 10 minutes ago, BeaumontFox said: There are a lot saying that the manager is the problem. Marti isn’t the best, but NOBODY is going to get a tune out of these pissants. Keep Marti unless we end up in the relegation zone, then rebuild in the summer. You could get different players and have Marti get better out of them. Just as you could probably get a different manager and get better out of these players. One seems cheap.
BeaumontFox Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: You could get different players and have Marti get better out of them. Just as you could probably get a different manager and get better out of these players. One seems cheap. One requires talent.
Dahnsouff Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 1 minute ago, BeaumontFox said: One requires talent. The other requires effort
BeaumontFox Posted 18 January Posted 18 January Just now, Dahnsouff said: The other requires effort I throw that back to the team again as my previous comment. 3 managers… all shite. We have a select few good players - the rest let us down and will always let us down. You could get Pep in FFS and we’d still be crap until we sign new players.
Muzzy_no7 Posted 18 January Posted 18 January Just listening to his FT interview you just know that time and time again he says the wrong things at HT. His core message was to be wary of Cov being at home and they would push etc. We were imposing ourselves, dominating, pressing and creating chances and rather than keeping it up he chooses to make them all sub consciously think about dropping 10 yards! Eugh 2
Dahnsouff Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 2 minutes ago, BeaumontFox said: I throw that back to the team again as my previous comment. 3 managers… all shite. We have a select few good players - the rest let us down and will always let us down. You could get Pep in FFS and we’d still be crap until we sign new players. Think we are actuality broadly in agreement tbh. This group are cooked, they may well go on to excel elsewhere, but here they are mostly finished, barring a couple of bright lights. Manager needs to reset it, he seems incapable, if its even possible.
Patrick Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 1 minute ago, Muzzy_no7 said: Just listening to his FT interview you just know that time and time again he says the wrong things at HT. His core message was to be wary of Cov being at home and they would push etc. We were imposing ourselves, dominating, pressing and creating chances and rather than keeping it up he chooses to make them all sub consciously think about dropping 10 yards! Eugh I read on the QPR forum that many of the players didn't like Marti's man management style and think his successor is a massive improvement.
BeaumontFox Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Think we are actuality broadly in agreement tbh. This group are cooked, they may well go on to excel elsewhere, but here they are mostly finished, barring a couple of bright lights. Manager needs to reset it, he seems incapable, if its even possible. I’ve given up with most of them. It’s the least likeable side in recent memory.
Corky Posted 18 January Posted 18 January I don't believe you should keep someone because the alternatives could be worse but it is relevant as to how we got here. It was three months from relegation being confirmed (probably another two before that where it looked very likely) to him being appointed. He clearly was not our first choice and we spent months in limbo not knowing who would be in charge. No preparation for training, transfers in and out, culture etc. What did they see in Cifuentes that other candidates didn't have? He is doing a poor job. He shouldn't be here. But the fact he is, is down to the people who will find the next one. That is just as important. 1
Mickyblueeyes Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 10 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said: Just listening to his FT interview you just know that time and time again he says the wrong things at HT. His core message was to be wary of Cov being at home and they would push etc. We were imposing ourselves, dominating, pressing and creating chances and rather than keeping it up he chooses to make them all sub consciously think about dropping 10 yards! Eugh I said this the other week. There are two types of managers. One who will sit there and spend 5 mins talking about the opposition but the rest of the 15 telling players how great they are. The other type spends 5 telling the players how great they are and the rest of the 15 how great the opposition is. Those second half performances/collapses (or first half collapses) are very much a self fulfilling prophecy triggered by the manager. He’s a ultra defensive/cautious manager who can’t coach his team to defend! 4
trooky Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 43 minutes ago, Corky said: We probably would. Cooper is more suited to this level and was appointed at the wrong time. Another failing by the powers that be. The reason I thought we appointed Cooper was for the following season because we were nailed on for relegation with or without a points deduction.
Parker Pen Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 17 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: I said this the other week. There are two types of managers. One who will sit there and spend 5 mins talking about the opposition but the rest of the 15 telling players how great they are. The other type spends 5 telling the players how great they are and the rest of the 15 how great the opposition is. Those second half performances/collapses (or first half collapses) are very much a self fulfilling prophecy triggered by the manager. He’s a ultra defensive/cautious manager who can’t coach his team to defend! This message gets straight into their heads and a clear example yesterday was how those extra 10 yards dropped off created that uncertainty in the play of the centre halves and Skipp who were no longer on the front foot in challenging for the ball, ball bouncing over their heads for the opposition to run onto. Both goals were avoidable and down to defending too deep and passively. This is why he must go this week!
DennisNedry Posted 18 January Posted 18 January We all know that he's not good enough. My original 'Marti out' thread was closed a few games before this one. Odd appointment in the first place to be honest. A bit like the signing of Ayew, literally nobody was excited by it. Obviously the problems at the club run much deeper (KP) than the manager but that doesn't mean he should keep his position.
beepee1984 Posted 18 January Posted 18 January 34 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said: Just listening to his FT interview you just know that time and time again he says the wrong things at HT. His core message was to be wary of Cov being at home and they would push etc. We were imposing ourselves, dominating, pressing and creating chances and rather than keeping it up he chooses to make them all sub consciously think about dropping 10 yards! Eugh This exactly what I noticed too. Yes Coventry were always going to come at us, but the message shouldn't have been preparing to defend it, but how we can exploit the space they leave behind. Instead we play Ayew as out front man 30 yards away from our own goal. Our striker should be on the half way line waiting for a quick turnaround. Instead he has drilled it into the team they are not good enough and the 2nd half they proved him right. After actually a good first half - which again proves the players are capable of much better than we are doing and proves again that he can't get the best out of them and he is the wrong man for job I will give him credit for the first half, because it was only the 2nd time this season I've seen us use the Enzo tactics - inverted RB and James as a 2nd 8 and it worked - the 2nd half although we were still trying it, the transition between the two formations was far too slow - either this was tactical or Ricci can't last 90 minutes. I really don't get this idea of playing 90 minutes, then missing a match. Surely he would be better playing 60 minutes every match
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