Cifuentes OUT

[john ridley]

Maybe we should of backed Brian Barry Murphy in hindsight,instead  of keeping  the bad apple  players who thought they knew it all .Would of been a better bet than Marti  ,but No ,pander to the shit players who know **** all.

[coolhandfox]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

If we’re losing games anyway why not give Evans the the odd minutes Sumo-are and S. Thomas are getting. Developmentally it makes a far bigger difference for Evans than the others. We’ve seen how Page has come on Leaps and bounds 

Maddness.

 

Soumare hasn't wanted to be here for nearly 3 years, not learn from the Wout debacle.

 

S.Thomas isn’t going to be championship standard and has shown very little other than putting a shift in.

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 January by coolhandfox

[Corky]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

The reason I thought we appointed Cooper was for the following season because we were nailed on for relegation with or without a points deduction. 

Only in exceptional circumstances such as those at Sheffield Wednesday (points deductions, embargoes, virtually a youth squad) would that be acceptable. We backed Cooper with enough resource to give him a chance.  There was no excuse for writing off a season and letting him start again plus, what if we started this season badly? With that baggage it cannot carry on.

[whoareyaaa]

3 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

Wrexham A 

Oxford H 

Charlton H 

Birmingham A 

Stoke A 

Middlesbrough A 

 

Really not looking forward to this run of games. 

4 winnable games coming up, shame we can't move faster in the market and get a striker in

 

Slowest club ever for transfers 

[Claudio Fannieri]

The revisionism regards Cooper infuriates me he was awful, we were a shambles looked disorganised and largely reliant on moments of magic, the appointment of Cooper after Enzo and then allowing him to have such an influence in recruitment meant we spunked a load of money on some bang average players and largely condemned to us to relegation. Now with the exception of the incomings I would say Marti has some glaring similarities and flaws as Cooper. 

[trooky]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

Only in exceptional circumstances such as those at Sheffield Wednesday (points deductions, embargoes, virtually a youth squad) would that be acceptable. We backed Cooper with enough resource to give him a chance.  There was no excuse for writing off a season and letting him start again plus, what if we started this season badly? With that baggage it cannot carry on.

We were in exceptional circumstances. Everybody expected a huge points deduction and with no money to spend either because of PSR - we needed to right-off that season to reset and sort out our finances for good.

 

It would have been an easy narrative for the board to galvanize the club, if they could be bothered to communicate to fans. 

 

The club was mismanaged causing the PSR non-compliance, but the management of the club since then has been even worse. 

 

We broke the rules and should have just accepted our punishment instead of winning an appeal against the PL on a technicality and dragging the whole episode out for 3 seasons. 

 

The insanity of that season is that the board actually thought the squad was equipped to stay up. 

 

We've continued to spend money we don't have, offering stupid wages or extensions for mediocrity to the point we can't afford to sign players or sack the manager. 

 

We're now expecting a points deduction in a lower division with a very real risk of relegation to league 1,  a genius move by the club and to make matters worse the muppet in charge hasn't changed anything. 

Edited 18 January by trooky

[Rubbersoul]

 He needs banning from the changing room at HT 

[fox in the sox]

9 minutes ago, Rubbersoul said:

 He needs banning from the changing room at HT 

It pretty much proves that he is just setting out to hold on for the win at half time. Couple that with the fact that the opposition are likely to be fired up after half time and you are asking for trouble.

[OntarioFox]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The revisionism regards Cooper infuriates me he was awful, we were a shambles looked disorganised and largely reliant on moments of magic, the appointment of Cooper after Enzo and then allowing him to have such an influence in recruitment meant we spunked a load of money on some bang average players and largely condemned to us to relegation. Now with the exception of the incomings I would say Marti has some glaring similarities and flaws as Cooper. 

I feel like we'd be in exactly the same middling, shitty position we are now under Cooper - the description you've given is literally where we find ourselves, we've been bailed out by individual moments and other sides being unable to finish their dinner. There hasn't been a single 90 minute performance - Derby and Swansea were the closest and they were 60 minute performances at best. We're completely humbled the rest of the time by teams that are "on-paper" of lower ability but outfight us and do the simple things way better.

As hideously out of his depth as he was tactically, Ruud gets the one sliver of credit in that he didn't get an ounce of backing in the transfer market (Coulibaly aside? lol). He wasn't the one responsible for bringing Ayew, BDCR, Skipp to the club. Nor was he the one to welcome Soumare and Thomas back into the spine of the team after a year away, actively making us worse in the process. I guess we'll never know how we'd have done this season if we'd just said "screw it" and let him have his say on who we bring in and cast out. We certainly might have seen the back of Winks sooner, but hindsight's a beeyatch.

I guess you can apply the same logic to Marti, mind you - a few loans isn't exactly backing the guy. But he's at least got a few new bodies to work with and a bunch of academy players chomping at the bit, which makes the half-season wasted persisting with want-away players like Bouba and Wout, and documented failures like Daka, all the more infuriating.

Edited 18 January by OntarioFox

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

I feel like we'd be in exactly the same middling, shitty position we are now under Cooper - the description you've given is literally where we find ourselves, we've been bailed out by individual moments and other sides being unable to finish their dinner. We're completely humbled the rest of the time by teams that are "on-paper" of lower ability.

As hideously out of his depth as he was tactically, Ruud gets the one sliver of credit in that he didn't get an ounce of backing in the transfer market. He wasn't the one responsible for bringing Ayew, BDCR, Skipp to the club. Nor was he the one to welcome Soumare and Thomas back into the spine of the team after a year away, actively making us worse in the process. I guess we'll never know how we'd have done this season if we'd just said "screw it" and let him have his say on who we bring in and cast out. We certainly might have seen the back of Winks sooner, but hindsight's a beeyatch.

I guess you can apply the same logic to Marti, mind you - a few loans isn't exactly backing the guy. But he's at least got a few new bodies to work with and a bunch of academy players chomping at the bit, which makes the half-season wasted persisting with want-away players like Bouba and Wout, and documented failures like Daka, all the more infuriating.

It's actually 1 and we lost 6/7 first team players and none of them where the ones that wanted away bar Bilal.

 

It's pretty laughable really.

[OntarioFox]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

It's actually 1 and we lost 6/7 first team players and none of them where the ones that wanted away bar Bilal.

 

It's pretty laughable really.

I'd actually scrubbed Bilal out of my memory, forgot he's even still on our books 

If we're being technical, he was also given a crock (Ramsey) and a pensioner (Begovic) to work with. And we tried REALLY, REALLY HARD to also give him a car crash survivor and wasted half of January trying to make that happen before we just got REALLY unlucky with him turning out to actually be beyond repair - some credit to Rudkin where it's due, eh? 

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

Only in exceptional circumstances such as those at Sheffield Wednesday (points deductions, embargoes, virtually a youth squad) would that be acceptable. We backed Cooper with enough resource to give him a chance.  There was no excuse for writing off a season and letting him start again plus, what if we started this season badly? With that baggage it cannot carry on.

Also we'd won the championship at a canter. We weren't nailed on for relegation until it became apparent a few games in that we were, in fact, crap. 

[whoareyaaa]

3 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

I'd actually scrubbed Bilal out of my memory, forgot he's even still on our books 

If we're being technical, he was also given a crock (Ramsey) and a pensioner (Begovic) to work with. And we tried REALLY, REALLY HARD to also give him a car crash survivor and wasted half of January trying to make that happen before we just got REALLY unlucky with him turning out to actually be beyond repair - some credit to Rudkin where it's due, eh? 

It's like selling KDH and then buying Skipp for the same money.

 

[OntarioFox]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

It's like selling KDH and then buying Skipp for the same money.

 

I'm never going to get over Fulham getting Emile Smith Rowe for more or less the same money.

Skipp's one of our better players now for the record, but that doesn't change the fact. Christ, we're such a basket case.

[Mickyblueeyes]

Seeing how it goes. Hoping to change it the summer etc. is what has caused this club the magnitude of problems it is currently facing. This guy offers nothing. No youth development. No style or play. No coaching. No fitness. No innovation. No contacts. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. His interviews are also crap. As is his dress sense. It’s obvious where the relationship is going. 
 

However, we’ll let it drift. Because it’s hard work finding anyone else. It requires the 5’3 horrible bastard in charge to take five minutes out his day and coordinate a search  with that dozy gimp from Wigston. 
 

I know cucks like Ginnetta and his happy clapper group think we are Preston or something. But we are not. What’s happening is unacceptable. We should never drift at this level. 

[Jakemoore]

The club couldn’t even afford to pay his exit fee from QPR so I fail to see how we can afford his compensation. He’s here to stay until at least the summer. The board will be willing to accept wherever we finish so long as we don’t go down (which I’m pretty sure we won’t). The aim then will be start spending again more wisely. I think the season was just about managing the books and recouping some of our significant losses. Sacking managers won’t fill within that. 

[honeybradger]

5 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The revisionism regards Cooper infuriates me he was awful, we were a shambles looked disorganised and largely reliant on moments of magic, the appointment of Cooper after Enzo and then allowing him to have such an influence in recruitment meant we spunked a load of money on some bang average players and largely condemned to us to relegation. Now with the exception of the incomings I would say Marti has some glaring similarities and flaws as Cooper. 

How can anyone give Cooper any praise. He was the one who signed Ayew and Bobby Reid, who were dreadful in the PL and arent even cutting it in the championship.

 

Skipp as well, who has somehow become a fan favourite, is not good enough for a team looking for a promotion push, let alone for £20mil. Just an absolutely diabolical summer.

[Pita]

2 hours ago, Jakemoore said:

The club couldn’t even afford to pay his exit fee from QPR so I fail to see how we can afford his compensation. He’s here to stay until at least the summer. The board will be willing to accept wherever we finish so long as we don’t go down (which I’m pretty sure we won’t). The aim then will be start spending again more wisely. I think the season was just about managing the books and recouping some of our significant losses. Sacking managers won’t fill within that. 

Going down will depend on points deduction ( if we get one) 

[deep blue]

5 hours ago, ian__marshall said:

I'm worried about the impact he's having on the players development particularly given we have some exceptional talent coming through. 

 

That break late in the game yesterday when Fatawu shot when there were several team mates in better positions reaffirmed my concerns. More worryingly was MCs reaction. Any decent manager subs him off straight away and explains why he has been pulled and reminds him it's a team game. He's an exceptional talent capable of the occasional moment of genius, but as a player he needs to understand he can't do it all alone. 

 

The drop in Mavididi's level is astonishing. Whilst I appreciate he's not a young lad he should easily be one of the best players in the league, yet looks like a pub player. 

 

Monga looks like a shadow of the player that burst onto the scene. Despite his age he should be excelling at this level if he is to go on to become the talent we all believe he can be. 

 

Nelson for me should be flying but whilst an improvement on others in the position he's been pretty average since coming in. Likewise Jakub. 

 

With all the other youngsters coming through I simply don't trust Marti to aid these players with their development. That's a real problem for us where we are as a clubright now, because not only will that mean we're unlikely to make a quick return to the PL, but the full value potential of these players is unlikely to be fulfilled meaning we'll struggle to sell our way out the financial predicament we face. 

 

Sadly I'm afraid he's not what we need given the current circumstances and the club need to bite the bullet and move him on. 

That's a really good post and touches on aspects of our demise and mismanagement (from the Top down)  that are often overlooked.

[lfu]

5 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

The revisionism regards Cooper infuriates me he was awful, we were a shambles looked disorganised and largely reliant on moments of magic, the appointment of Cooper after Enzo and then allowing him to have such an influence in recruitment meant we spunked a load of money on some bang average players and largely condemned to us to relegation. Now with the exception of the incomings I would say Marti has some glaring similarities and flaws as Cooper. 

Cooper's now managing Brøndby IF in Denmark, probably the second biggest team in the country

His last two league results were a loss against the 11th place and 12th place teams, in a 12-team league.

#EliteGaffer

[Muzzy_no7]

3 minutes ago, lfu said:

Cooper's now managing Brøndby IF in Denmark, probably the second biggest team in the country

His last two league results were a loss against the 11th place and 12th place teams, in a 12-team league.

#EliteGaffer

Pooper 💩 🚽 

[Katy]

Just because we’re being horrific in the Championship, doesn’t mean we should be rewriting history and getting dewy-eyed over Cooper ffs. We were the pits under him, he signed Ayew (😭) and for that and many, many other reasons we should never have appointed him in the first place. 

[Joe90]

14 hours ago, Rubbersoul said:

 He needs banning from the changing room at HT 

Crazy only 1 second half goal scored!! This bloke has zero impact well actually a negative impact every half time team talk he loses us the game!! 

[daddylonglegs]

Not even a whisper of him being sacked - because we can’t afford to. 

 

It’s wasted energy thinking he’ll go this year. 

[JonnyBoy]

2 hours ago, daddylonglegs said:

Not even a whisper of him being sacked - because we can’t afford to. 

 

It’s wasted energy thinking he’ll go this year. 

 

I just can't wait for the season to be over now, has to be the worst season i have ever experienced supporting Leicester in 30 years taking all things into account