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We need a manager with the experience to manage upwards in our rather dysfunctional organisation, so he gets the space and support he needs to work.  Not nodding along to JR, not going full Maresca, but being able to bring the leadership with him as much as the players.  You don't learn that in a few years, you learn it in multiple places in a mix of coaching and managerial roles, with success and failure.

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47 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

Disagree completely as it’s not comparable - Kingy has limited experience and none as a manager.

 

Fuchs has been coaching for a few years and has just saved a league 2 side with no resources, changed the culture, team spirit and results.

 

we are league one and need to be realistic plus there are internal issues - Fuchs is also successful outside football and he is bright, good communicator and knows the club.

 

i would rather take him over most of the names being mentioned here not just because he is an ex-player but because his characteristics suggest he will go on to be a top manager !

 

Who would have said that Andrews would step up at Brentford - well he is similarly a bright and excellent communicator - I know the situations and clubs are not comparable but CF is a better bet than most managers being linked or mentioned here imo

Brentford isn't the same. andrews was the assistant, he knew the players, knew the club, worked with the same playing style as Thomas Frank and was ingrained. He would have e worked on tactics with the players already. He didn't have a complete rebuild he just carried it on. Yes, it could have gone wrong and yes he's done a good job there, but he had a massive advantage. Fuchs hasn't been a the clubs or years and it's completely different to what he left.

 

Fuchs has been a manager for months in this country. Yes, he's done a good job keeping them up, but just doesn't have the experience we need right now. This isn't a time for experiments, its time to make the right calls and move away from the past. 

 

Appointing Fuchs will seem like a crowd pleaser to me not a complete strategy to get us out of this mess. We need an overhaul on recruitment of manager, players and coaches and a Fuchs sadly doesn't have that experience. 

 

Also, how would you feel if it did go poo shoe up?

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Whoever Leicester get is going to be a risk because we won’t be able to attract or afford most targets. Fuchs has experience of league 2 and living within tight budgets and is hugely respected within the club and fan base. Rowett has stated his case in terms of some of the stats since he has been here but has struggled in big games and changes/substitutions have been late. So I’d be prepared to give Fuchs a chance but I almost don’t want to land him with the responsibility given the chaos at the club.

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8 hours ago, MPH said:

I know I have said this before but the main  problem is not the managers. It’s the god awful management structure and the terrible players and mentality  within the playing squad that they bought in.

 

Succesive managers have failed and the squad needs gutting from top to bottom and without  the right backing and the right people in charge of signings,  I don’t think the best managers in the world would get a tune out of us.

Agree on this. The manager is likely to have very little say in the recruitment of players anyway, so if we keep getting this wrong, it won't matter who we get in. The most important thing I think we need from a manager at the minute is someone who can be a man-manager and reset standards/attitudes at the club - style of play is almost immaterial if the attitudes stink.

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2 hours ago, indierich06 said:

Agree on this. The manager is likely to have very little say in the recruitment of players anyway, so if we keep getting this wrong, it won't matter who we get in. The most important thing I think we need from a manager at the minute is someone who can be a man-manager and reset standards/attitudes at the club - style of play is almost immaterial if the attitudes stink.

Always strikes me as potty that a manager has very little influence on what new players are brought in. After all it is his head on the block when it goes wrong. Surely we have to get a new manager ASAP and have him and his staff discuss directly the budget and targets. 

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10 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Always strikes me as potty that a manager has very little influence on what new players are brought in. After all it is his head on the block when it goes wrong. Surely we have to get a new manager ASAP and have him and his staff discuss directly the budget and targets. 

Seems like that's just the way of things now. Clubs decide what style of football they want to play, what players they want to buy. The manager has some input, as we've seen unfortunately with the likes of Steve Cooper, who I think was partly responsible for bringing the likes of Ayew, Skipp and BDCR to the club, but by and large the managers seem to identify types of players they want or positions they want to strengthen, and then the club goes out and finds players that meet those attributes. It makes sense to an extent if the club has got an established identity and way of playing, and a dedicated scouting network - they want to find a manager who will suit the players they already have at their disposal. But in our case, it seems to be that we just buy random players and appoint random managers, and none of it makes any sense.

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18 hours ago, Pita said:

Agree with you on Fuchs. But not Ferguson just not th right fit 

Was just more an example from the apparent options. I think the best bets that Davies if hes interested.

 

If it was between Fuchs and Ferguson id rather Ferguson until the toxicity dies down. Fuchs isnt ready yet is he and we'd only end up tarnishing his name

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4 hours ago, indierich06 said:

Agree on this. The manager is likely to have very little say in the recruitment of players anyway, so if we keep getting this wrong, it won't matter who we get in. The most important thing I think we need from a manager at the minute is someone who can be a man-manager and reset standards/attitudes at the club - style of play is almost immaterial if the attitudes stink.

I definitely think Fuchs would be a good man-manager, he would be strong on improving standards and fitness, and would have the balls to take on Top & co.  He is shrewd and successful on many fronts, I suspect a much more rounded man than most managers, very intelligent, and likely to look at the long term.

 

Having said all that, he is obviously a risk in terms of his limited experience.  But to all those on here who are using that to dismiss any prospect of his being good enough, JUST LOOK WHERE ENGAGING EXPERIENCED MANAGERS HAS GOT US IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.  The least experienced of the lot was Maresca.

 

 

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I wouldn’t want him, purely because he (presumably) has a relationship with the owner. If he’s terrible he’ll be kept on out of ‘loyalty’. 
 

And I’m aware there’s going to be no ideal candidates. It’s difficult because the ideal character would be someone that wouldn’t want to work with King Power and who King Power wouldn’t want to appoint. But somehow he hits the ground running and everyone is forced to stick it out because we can’t stop winning 😄

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As much as I like Fuchs and the fact he’s done a decent (ish) job in management, I’m not sure it’s worth the risk. We need a massive bounce next season, preferably someone who’s more experienced at building a squad that’s in the pits. It’s just a massive gamble with Fuchs.

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1 hour ago, Buzzell said:

As much as I like Fuchs and the fact he’s done a decent (ish) job in management, I’m not sure it’s worth the risk. We need a massive bounce next season, preferably someone who’s more experienced at building a squad that’s in the pits. It’s just a massive gamble with Fuchs.

Don’t forget Rudkins will choose the next manager. Won’t get any where with him still at the club 

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16 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Always strikes me as potty that a manager has very little influence on what new players are brought in. After all it is his head on the block when it goes wrong. Surely we have to get a new manager ASAP and have him and his staff discuss directly the budget and targets. 

It works the other way as well though. We have given managers too much control and ended up with a squad of misfits signed by numerous former managers. Look at our bomb list now, goes back to Kristiansen/Faes (Rodgers), Winks (Maresca), Skipp/BDR (Cooper), Coulibaly (RVN). By the time we got to Cifuentes, we clearly haven’t had a pot to piss in for any signings so it’s stops there. But that’s an issue in itself, we reached a point where we brought a manager in who wouldn’t be backed at all. Vestergaard is a special case that goes back to Rodgers and was doubled down on by Maresca! This season, we’ve even had Ricky stinking the place out from back in Puel’s day! 

 

Well run clubs like Brighton and Brentford have a structure in place where the manager is brought in to fit this. Transfers then have consistency and even if the manager gets his say from targets, the playing squad would be structured in a way that another manager/coach would be able to come in and take over.

 

We've never had that structure under KP at all. We dined off one excellent manager and his team who put that in place and then lived off the big sales for a few years while pissing money up the wall on crap going back to the summer of 2016 and allowing the structure behind the scenes to be pulled apart. And that isn’t just on Aiyawatt, that all started/happened under Vichai. 

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26 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

I could never hate Fuchs as much as I've hated our last 4 managers.

 

It would be a great start as I've hated all of our last 4 managers either on day 1 or day 21 maximum. 

 

I think you misunderstand the sterling work our leadership can do in that arena.

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We need someone disciplined, straight talking to the players and a manager with an idea on how to set a team up in practice, not theory. 

 

Not sure if Fuchs is ready or can drill this into players, but we have seen he knows how to play and complete the basics then pull out the extras when needed. 

 

Our wing play has been terrible for years.  We need a fresh start with coaching staff and players, full backs and wingers that pass, move cross or shoot. 

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5 hours ago, Richmondfox said:

We need someone disciplined, straight talking to the players and a manager with an idea on how to set a team up in practice, not theory. 

 

Not sure if Fuchs is ready or can drill this into players, but we have seen he knows how to play and complete the basics then pull out the extras when needed. 

 

Our wing play has been terrible for years.  We need a fresh start with coaching staff and players, full backs and wingers that pass, move cross or shoot. 

Don’t forget a decent striker. 

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1 hour ago, Supergray22 said:

Don’t forget a decent striker. 

I look forward to a time where we see a winger and full back play a 1-2, cross into the box and the striker isn’t on the halfway line or has fallen over. 

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As I've said before (posting on the 'League One - Who Manages Us' thread), I don't see Fuchs as being experienced enough to come in as Manager, but I do think he's got enough 'in his locker' to come in as Assistant, backing up an experienced Manager. That man, for me, is Dean Smith. Their history at Charlotte FC together, could mean a good working relationship for us.

 

I think Smith didn't get a fair crack in his previous stint with us and left too early - he has 'unfinished business' and could be the man for us in League 1. Whether he would want to come, is another matter, as would, whether we'd pay Charlotte, to get him!

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Ex-players turned manager certainly have a very up-and-down history at the club. 

 

There's a case that one of them was our best ever manager: Gillies had ten years in charge, our first major trophy, three more finals, our first European outing, four top-eight finishes and many of our greatest ever acquisitions. But if you look at the others (Gardner, Lochhead, McLintock, Kelly, Rowett, unless I'm forgetting someone) you've got just under six years of management in total... With a return of a bottom place finish in the Midlands League, three relegations and two of our lowest ever second tier finishes.

 

I'm not sure what the lessons are from all that. Things can go badly if you're swayed by the fact that someone's an ex-player (e.g. Lochhead, McLintock) and less so if it's not a factor (e.g. Kelly). And then you've got Gillies, and there was no reason to think he'd be the right man to keep us in the top flight whatsoever, but he did, and then became one of our finest ever.

 

Which category Fuchs would come into, I don't know, but I do know that we're either going to go for a very predictable, safe and totally inappropriate manager for the scale of the task, or take a punt on a wild card who'll either be a complete revelation or, more likely, an absolute disaster. Of the two ex-players that are being linked with the post, Rowett probably comes into the first bracket, and Fuchs the second.

 

You never quite know who'll be the right man for the moment. Who'd have thought, given their background, that not only Gillies, but also Bloomfield, Hodge, Little, O'Neill, Pearson, Ranieri and arguably even Maresca would do as well as they did? And who'd have thought managers who seemed to be a league above us, like Pleat, Eriksson and maybe even someone as well-loved as Wallace would have ultimately endured such mixed (and worse) fortunes?

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