Nick Posted 3 January Posted 3 January 12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: I don't think there's any coincidence Mavididi has also been horrendous this season, Cifuentes hasn't a clue how to set a side up to attack and defend in unison. Whilst our squad has weaknesses, we are underperforming and the causation is multiple things. This. 1
ronnup Posted 3 January Posted 3 January 13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: A lot of our problems are diminishing the talents of the very few half decent players we have and he is a victim of that. It was clear under Enzo that whilst he's a maverick, he actually needs structure in the team for him not to toil. He will still utilise his unpredictability but as we have seen when he's just given no support he does not shine. I don't think there's any coincidence Mavididi has also been horrendous this season, Cifuentes hasn't a clue how to set a side up to attack and defend in unison. Whilst our squad has weaknesses, we are underperforming and the causation is multiple things. Our whole club is just a mess and very few players will still perform here. If he has anything about him he should get out whilst he can as he will utilise his strong defensive ability (rare for an attacking winger) with his high ceiling of creativity. Like many who have left us in the last 2-3 seasons. He will go on to far better things. Also forgetting on Stephi hes basically got nobody behind him at all times. Lose that confidence and you start ti second guess making runs and being creative because one mistake and Car Crash Luke is behind you chuckling to himself as he hands the opposition a guilt edged chance. Fatawu's progress as a pmayer has been absolutely frozen at a key time for him, after a long injury. I level a large portion of that shit pie on Marti and the clueless defensive systems or lack of 2
adejo92 Posted 3 January Posted 3 January (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: A lot of our problems are diminishing the talents of the very few half decent players we have and he is a victim of that. It was clear under Enzo that whilst he's a maverick, he actually needs structure in the team for him not to toil. He will still utilise his unpredictability but as we have seen when he's just given no support he does not shine. I don't think there's any coincidence Mavididi has also been horrendous this season, Cifuentes hasn't a clue how to set a side up to attack and defend in unison. Whilst our squad has weaknesses, we are underperforming and the causation is multiple things. Our whole club is just a mess and very few players will still perform here. If he has anything about him he should get out whilst he can as he will utilise his strong defensive ability (rare for an attacking winger) with his high ceiling of creativity. Like many who have left us in the last 2-3 seasons. He will go on to far better things. Agree with most of this in fairness. I just wish he would put himself above the others rather than allow himself to become as bad as those around him. Look at JJ, our stand out player week on week out (Doesn't take much, granted). Some of that is perhaps down to personality though I guess, hes probably mentally stronger etc. Just seems like Fatawu's head has gone. Whether hes fed up, or just thinks hes better than anyone else so wants to play for himself... I guess either way, like you say, it all boils down to management. Edited 3 January by adejo92 1
BKLFox Posted 3 January Posted 3 January 1 hour ago, adejo92 said: Agree with most of this in fairness. I just wish he would put himself above the others rather than allow himself to become as bad as those around him. Look at JJ, our stand out player week on week out (Doesn't take much, granted). Some of that is perhaps down to personality though I guess, hes probably mentally stronger etc. Just seems like Fatawu's head has gone. Whether hes fed up, or just thinks hes better than anyone else so wants to play for himself... I guess either way, like you say, it all boils down to management. Of course it doesn’t ALL boil down to management, what’s that quote about horses and water 🤔 Any of us in any walk of life need to want to do something & do it for ourselves before any one else. Yes we will sometimes get a boss you click with and the day is a little more enjoyable but at the same time if you don’t get on then personal pride gets you up in the morning. I never get this forum in virtually any thread, we have threads slating every single player but then you all say all roads lead to the manager, we’d be swapping managers out after every loss if it was run by FT, nope didn’t work get rid, ok he won let’s stick with him..ooh no was just the players doing their own thing get rid. I remember when Thomas Frank was getting glowing references on here, with the old how far we have fallen look at Brentford they everything we used to be and we should have got Frank…now on here he’s a laughing stock with Bournemouth & Brighton starting to go the same way because they have hit their ceiling, this year it’s Sunderland and their manager getting the praise until the Premier puts everything back in its place. We don’t have the best squad in this league and by some distance, we need players that are mentally strong & now people will go back to Pearson only signed mentally strong players the club is a disgrace etc again players being let off…the players need to look at themselves, Mavididi walks on the pitch with a slapped 4rse face Enzo was right within 5 minutes you know if he’s going to have a stinker or not and that’s on him, he’s got his orders and I imagine they are quite simple …run at the FB ffs, why does someone need to take him into another room before he goes out and go all American Drill-Sgt on him to get him fired up. They are pampered tw4ts that get away with murder on here despite the mentioned threads because all roads lead back to a single person Q well he picks them 1
The_77 Posted 3 January Posted 3 January 5 hours ago, Sly said: Barnes wasn’t shooting from everywhere and trying to do everything himself. Barnes was a team player. And still got slated on here every week. Fatawu is in a tough situation. Most of Marti’s tactics this season have just been to get it to Abdul and pray. Fatawu is still managing to be incredibly productive considering what’s happening around him.
The_77 Posted 3 January Posted 3 January 5 hours ago, Sly said: Barnes wasn’t shooting from everywhere and trying to do everything himself. Barnes was a team player. Barnes also constantly received the same exact criticism on here.
dannythefox Posted 3 January Posted 3 January Anything over 30m sell but can’t see anyone wanting him anyway.
Popular Post Guesty Posted 3 January Popular Post Posted 3 January (edited) Yes, he's frustrating and takes shots when he shouldn't. But there are only 3 players in the entire Championship who have more assists than he does this season. And he's managed that when we have strikers who can't score from open play and he's constantly doubled up on. He works quite hard defensively (for a winger) when asked and gets assists. Most of what we create comes from his side of the pitch - Mavididi has 2 goals and 0 assists in the Championship. He leads the team in assists and is the third top scorer. We will miss him if he leaves. Edited 3 January by Guesty 9
Sly Posted 3 January Posted 3 January 4 hours ago, The_77 said: Barnes also constantly received the same exact criticism on here. Barnes wasn’t having pot shots from 40 Yards out. He’s a significantly better player than Fatawu. 3
The_77 Posted 3 January Posted 3 January 2 hours ago, Sly said: Barnes wasn’t having pot shots from 40 Yards out. He’s a significantly better player than Fatawu. Please read what I’m writing. I’m not saying Fatawu is better than Barnes (I don’t believe he is, for the record). Even Barnes wasn’t good enough for this crowd. Fatawu is a very good winger for this division and still one of the best players in the league. 2
Phild Posted 4 January Posted 4 January Fatawu to Bournemouth.... yes please......for stupid money 💰 and let's start fixing this squad with some sensible incomings. 1 2
Pita Posted 4 January Posted 4 January Looks like club playing hard ball saying they want to keep as he’s part of their plans. Just trying to up the fee
SafewayFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January Abdul’s ceiling is that of a PL winger. Has he regressed under Marti? 100% It’s genuinely best for both parties to sell him whilst we should get a half decent fee.
BKLFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 19 minutes ago, SafewayFox said: Abdul’s ceiling is that of a PL winger. Has he regressed under Marti? 100% It’s genuinely best for both parties to sell him whilst we should get a half decent fee. Obviously can only compare him to Enzo’s season so 23/24 - 40 games 6 Goals 13 assists 25/26 - 25 games 4 Goals 7 assists Chances are if he stays he beats his tally for 23/24 🤷♂️ 1
SafewayFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 3 minutes ago, BKLFox said: Obviously can only compare him to Enzo’s season so 23/24 - 40 games 6 Goals 13 assists 25/26 - 25 games 4 Goals 7 assists Chances are if he stays he beats his tally for 23/24 🤷♂️ A fair shout but that’s why stats shouldn’t be used without rationale. He was new to the country as a 19 year old lad, he was taken out for a stretch of games if his form dipped. Also, he wasn’t considered the main guy as that mantle was held by Vardy or KDH.
BKLFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 7 minutes ago, SafewayFox said: A fair shout but that’s why stats shouldn’t be used without rationale. He was new to the country as a 19 year old lad, he was taken out for a stretch of games if his form dipped. Also, he wasn’t considered the main guy as that mantle was held by Vardy or KDH. Output is the 1st thing a scout would look at, it would also be the marker for a fee. After that it would be, he’s doing it after a year out with a major injury before we look at who he’s playing with and is he a nice guy etc 1
SafewayFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 2 minutes ago, BKLFox said: Output is the 1st thing a scout would look at, it would also be the marker for a fee. After that it would be, he’s doing it after a year out with a major injury before we look at who he’s playing with and is he a nice guy etc I completely agree and why I’ve said that he has a PL ceiling, I’d not say the same about Stephy as a comparison. We should get a decent fee, but we probably got under market value for Madders, Barnes etc in recent years. 1
Sting Posted 4 January Posted 4 January I can't see Bournemouth wanting such an inconsistent erratic player despite his moments of brilliance. 2
The_77 Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 1 hour ago, SafewayFox said: A fair shout but that’s why stats shouldn’t be used without rationale. He was new to the country as a 19 year old lad, he was taken out for a stretch of games if his form dipped. Also, he wasn’t considered the main guy as that mantle was held by Vardy or KDH. Also recovering from a major injury, playing with a poorer team and worse manager, making this year’s output even more impressive.
SafewayFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January Just now, The_77 said: Also recovering from a major injury, playing with a poorer team and worse manager, making this year’s output even more impressive. But he’s our outlet 9/10, he’s been below par for more games than not IMO. Which isn’t totally on him, Marti’s lack of tactics are a big reason for this. But, I stick with my original point, Abdul has a PL ceiling but his value will only decrease the longer that he’s here. We will sell him either this window or the summer, it’s nailed on.
AKCJ Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 20 hours ago, Sly said: Barnes wasn’t having pot shots from 40 Yards out. He’s a significantly better player than Fatawu. I think Fatawu at 21 is a better player than Barnes at 21 and Barnes didn't have a serious injury under his belt either.
Sly Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 30 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I think Fatawu at 21 is a better player than Barnes at 21 and Barnes didn't have a serious injury under his belt either. Barnes was 21 in 2018 / 2019 season. That season he was on loan at West Brom and scored 9 goals in 26 games. I’d have taken Barnes at 21 over Fatawu. This is why football is a game of opinions though! Neither are bad options when they’re on form.
AKCJ Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 29 minutes ago, Sly said: Barnes was 21 in 2018 / 2019 season. That season he was on loan at West Brom and scored 9 goals in 26 games. I’d have taken Barnes at 21 over Fatawu. This is why football is a game of opinions though! Neither are bad options when they’re on form. Fatawu at 19 obliterated the chances created record in a Championship season. This season he's on 4 goals and 7 assists in 25 games despite having to play in the most tepid team you've ever seen.
Tommy Fresh Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 7 hours ago, Phild said: Fatawu to Bournemouth.... yes please......for stupid money 💰 and let's start fixing this squad with some sensible incomings. Yeah I'd be very excited to see who we pick up with the Fatawu money 1
BKLFox Posted 4 January Posted 4 January 8 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: Yeah I'd be very excited to see who we pick up with the Fatawu money It’s a tough 1 because 1 it means Monga is pushed up or do we realise he’s not a starter yet so 2 do we have to get a replacement RW if so what’s the point as we also need a midfielder, LB & striker. Personally leave it till the summer, his stats will hopefully bloat the fee and there will be more options in summer.
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