dmayne7 Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said: You realise pace and strength can easily be improved? Its the skills that can't be improved on. So its a good thing his technical ability is his best attribute. Just needs to hit the gym, not that complicated. Eh? It's the other way if anything. You can make a player a bit quicker and stronger (at least in a footballing context), but not completely transform them. Whereas technical ability can be massively refined from thousand of hours on the training ground/playing matches. Obviously all these things are innate as no amount of work or practice is going to turn me into Usain Bolt or Cristiano Ronaldo 2
JimJams Posted 4 February Posted 4 February Massively overrating Ngumoha there. He's played far far far fewer minutes than Monga and is only lauded because he scored a winning last minute goal on his debut against 10 man Newcastle. Very Macheda like reaction to him. 3
dmayne7 Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 16 minutes ago, FosseSpark said: There was a debate about whether Monga was a 'generational talent' earlier in the year. Anyone who has seen Rio Ngumoha play cameos for Liverpool this year can't have failed to see that Monga isn't currently fit to lace his boots (pace, goal threat, general play is miles apart), Max Dowman's few appearances in the premier league and Europe also show that he's miles ahead of Monga in his general play. I want Stola, Page, Monga, Braybrooke, Aluko, Evans and Nelson to be the backbone of Leicester's future or at least help to fund it by being excellent and being bought for massive transfer fees. But you can't ignore what's in front of you. Monga looks VERY skilful but doesn't look to have any pace or strength in his running v adult players. This could develop as he's only young,but doesn't stand him out vs 17 yo's who DO have adult running power when they break through ie Raheem Sterling, Jermaine Pennant, Rooney, Owen, Braybrooke has great attributes but may just find a level lower than prem/championship, Stola can't do crosses, sometimes falls to bit under pressure on the ball. Looks a good if not GREAT shotstopper. Page looks great on the ball but it's impossible to say where he will end up. Aluko looks competitive but nothing to make you super excited that he's the next Rio Ferdinand Nelson currently looks quite weak for a 21 year old in comparison to proper excellent players. Evans - no idea You're massively ignoring the importance on confidence/context though. Monga did those things when he came into the team and frankly, looked head a shoulders above every else on the pitch early in the season. He's had that absolutely smashed out of him. I agree maybe he's not got that electric pace but strength wise, nobody was getting him off the ball. Put Ngumoha or Dowman in this team and you'd see exactly the same things. Jakub's best quality when he came into the team was his ability to deal with crosses/corners (not seen a keeper do that here for 20 years). But again, that's gone to absolute toilet, much like other aspects of his game. Braybrooke and Alves, were massively hyped up but then had horrific injuries. Physically Alves actually came back stronger but Braybrooke clearly suffered. Not completely disagreeing with your assessment but the context is massively important when assessing these players 2
BrilliantFox Posted 4 February Posted 4 February (edited) 7 minutes ago, dmayne7 said: Whereas technical ability can be massively refined from thousand of hours on the training ground/playing matches Technical ability is developed from toddler to around the age of 10. Those that weren't technically adequate from then won't have a chance in any Premier League academy. Pace and Strength on the other hand are developed as an adult. Monga just needs to go to the gym and he will be alright. I'm confident in him as should we all be. Edited 4 February by BrilliantFox
dmayne7 Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 1 hour ago, BrilliantFox said: Technical ability is developed from toddler to around the age of 10. Those that weren't technically adequate from then won't have a chance in any Premier League academy. Pace and Strength on the other hand are developed as an adult. Monga just needs to go to the gym and he will be alright. I'm confident in him as should we all be. I wasn't necessarily agreeing with you on Monga (see my next post), just that when it comes to athletes, they have a limit on how fast/strong they can get, especially in the confines of still being able to perform in the sport they play. There is a physical limit that is different for all of us. Whereas technical ability can continue to get better almost infinitely because there is a theoretical point of perfection.
The boy Linacre Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 2 hours ago, dmayne7 said: Eh? It's the other way if anything. You can make a player a bit quicker and stronger (at least in a footballing context), but not completely transform them. Whereas technical ability can be massively refined from thousand of hours on the training ground/playing matches. Obviously all these things are innate as no amount of work or practice is going to turn me into Usain Bolt or Cristiano Ronaldo Or Daka into somebody who can control a bouncing or passed football it seems. And hit the back of the next on an irregular basis
coolhandfox Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 3 hours ago, BrilliantFox said: Technical ability is developed from toddler to around the age of 10. Those that weren't technically adequate from then won't have a chance in any Premier League academy. Pace and Strength on the other hand are developed as an adult. Monga just needs to go to the gym and he will be alright. I'm confident in him as should we all be. Wengers view...... 1
Lambert09 Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 3 hours ago, dmayne7 said: You're massively ignoring the importance on confidence/context though. Monga did those things when he came into the team and frankly, looked head a shoulders above every else on the pitch early in the season. He's had that absolutely smashed out of him. I agree maybe he's not got that electric pace but strength wise, nobody was getting him off the ball. Put Ngumoha or Dowman in this team and you'd see exactly the same things. Jakub's best quality when he came into the team was his ability to deal with crosses/corners (not seen a keeper do that here for 20 years). But again, that's gone to absolute toilet, much like other aspects of his game. Braybrooke and Alves, were massively hyped up but then had horrific injuries. Physically Alves actually came back stronger but Braybrooke clearly suffered. Not completely disagreeing with your assessment but the context is massively important when assessing these players The problem with monga is his flashy feet just lead everyone to say wow, he’s incredible. But the work on passing, crossing, shooting, defensive work and positioning is still at the level of a 16 year old. I’m not knocking the lad, he should have a bright future but that’s why he’s not ready. But at the same time mavididi has made a career without having much ability other than running with the ball… let’s hope monga is destined for bigger things than stephy 1
Ric Flair Posted 4 February Posted 4 February 4 hours ago, JimJams said: Massively overrating Ngumoha there. He's played far far far fewer minutes than Monga and is only lauded because he scored a winning last minute goal on his debut against 10 man Newcastle. Very Macheda like reaction to him. Agreed, not impressed at all.
Popular Post Rubbersoul Posted 4 February Popular Post Posted 4 February I know people go over the top with academy players (that’s not just a Leicester thing) but I find it so disappointing when people go out of their way to knock them. The reaction to Aluko getting sent off always sticks with me. Genuine celebrations in the match thread so they could prove a point. 12 1
Popular Post Jon the Hat Posted 5 February Popular Post Posted 5 February 6 hours ago, Rubbersoul said: I know people go over the top with academy players (that’s not just a Leicester thing) but I find it so disappointing when people go out of their way to knock them. The reaction to Aluko getting sent off always sticks with me. Genuine celebrations in the match thread so they could prove a point. Anyone who expects 16/17 year olds to have good judgement clearly doesn't have a 16/17 child, or a good memory. 2 1 5
Steve Earle Posted 5 February Posted 5 February 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: Anyone who expects 16/17 year olds to have good judgement clearly doesn't have a 16/17 child, or a good memory. 👏 Frontal cortex, innit!
leicesterlad1989 Posted 5 February Posted 5 February 18 hours ago, FosseSpark said: There was a debate about whether Monga was a 'generational talent' earlier in the year. Anyone who has seen Rio Ngumoha play cameos for Liverpool this year can't have failed to see that Monga isn't currently fit to lace his boots (pace, goal threat, general play is miles apart), Max Dowman's few appearances in the premier league and Europe also show that he's miles ahead of Monga in his general play. I want Stola, Page, Monga, Braybrooke, Aluko, Evans and Nelson to be the backbone of Leicester's future or at least help to fund it by being excellent and being bought for massive transfer fees. But you can't ignore what's in front of you. Monga looks VERY skilful but doesn't look to have any pace or strength in his running v adult players. This could develop as he's only young,but doesn't stand him out vs 17 yo's who DO have adult running power when they break through ie Raheem Sterling, Jermaine Pennant, Rooney, Owen, Braybrooke has great attributes but may just find a level lower than prem/championship, Stola can't do crosses, sometimes falls to bit under pressure on the ball. Looks a good if not GREAT shotstopper. Page looks great on the ball but it's impossible to say where he will end up. Aluko looks competitive but nothing to make you super excited that he's the next Rio Ferdinand Nelson currently looks quite weak for a 21 year old in comparison to proper excellent players. Evans - no idea Rio Ngumoha and Max Dowman are making cameo appearances in well established Premier League teams. One of which is likely to win the Premier League this year. They are surrounded by world class players and are having their minutes managed accordingly. Nobody can deny that Monga was a breath of fresh air when he came into the setup last season. Mainly due to how shite the rest of the team was. This season there's been more expectation on him whereas your two examples are players who can play relatively freely. Ability wise we have some fantastic young lads coming through but our club is a mess and unfortunately it doesn't feel like a good environment for bleeding in the youth. In time this could change though but that might be wishful thinking. 1
FosseSpark Posted 5 February Posted 5 February I 100% stand by the fact that Nguhoma and Dowman are streets ahead of Monga in terms of ability, as much as we would like it to be different It's just the evidence of my eyes on having seen them play.
MPH Posted 5 February Posted 5 February (edited) 1 hour ago, FosseSpark said: I 100% stand by the fact that Nguhoma and Dowman are streets ahead of Monga in terms of ability, as much as we would like it to be different It's just the evidence of my eyes on having seen them play. what are the respective ages of all 3 players? 6 months might not sound much but at 16/17 it’s quite significant in terms of development Besides, I don’t think either of them have been double marked when playing.. Put them in the doggo teams we’ve put out and then see if people are calling them massive talents.. Edited 5 February by MPH 1
Ric Flair Posted 6 February Posted 6 February 12 hours ago, FosseSpark said: I 100% stand by the fact that Nguhoma and Dowman are streets ahead of Monga in terms of ability, as much as we would like it to be different It's just the evidence of my eyes on having seen them play. Dowman is, but not Nguhoma. 3
MPH Posted 6 February Posted 6 February On 04/02/2026 at 23:51, Jon the Hat said: Anyone who expects 16/17 year olds to have good judgement clearly doesn't have a 16/17 child, or a good memory. I knew everything when I was 16 and I made sure my parents knew that too. 1
lcfc sheff Posted 6 February Posted 6 February Anyways back to Evans, he’ll get his chances and will still learn considerably more rather than playing in the u21s which he is too good for
Cincinnati Fox Posted 8 February Posted 8 February On 06/02/2026 at 05:51, lcfc sheff said: Anyways back to Evans, he’ll get his chances and will still learn considerably more rather than playing in the u21s which he is too good for IMG_0530.webp 2
FOXSE Posted 8 February Posted 8 February (edited) On 05/02/2026 at 21:56, FosseSpark said: I 100% stand by the fact that Nguhoma and Dowman are streets ahead of Monga in terms of ability, as much as we would like it to be different It's just the evidence of my eyes on having seen them play. On 05/02/2026 at 21:56, FosseSpark said: Edited 8 February by FOXSE
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