Gary Rowett

[Number 6]

17 minutes ago, old koppite said:

I think you’re right about a different approach. I thought from how we started yesterday we would ride on new found confidence but slowly Norwich took control.

I heard a comment on the comms that recently Norwich were averaging 2 goals per game conceded, so why didn’t we have a go at them second half? I can’t remember a clear chance apart from the Daka tackle on their keeper. No urgency or spark going forward and it was like Marti again. 

That was the most disappointing aspect for me too. We seemed happy to play keep ball at 0-2 with 20 mins left. We didn't lay a glove on them and didn't seem to want to even throw a punch.

[South Shire Fox]

45 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Not suggesting we’ll suddenly pick up loads of wins but he has to do something different during matches when making subs. 
Changing players like for like won’t make a difference. 
Change the system play 2 up front. 
I know the options available are shit but it has to be something that the opposition isn’t expecting especially at home. 
Put Mavididi or Fatuwo thru the middle or put 1 of them alongside Daka. 
Taking Fatuwo off for Mavididi or Monga and Daka for Ayew offers nothing different for the opposition. 
 

Have you seen how bad Mavididis finishing is? We dont have two actual strikers in the entire club, thats the issue

Edited 1 March by South Shire Fox

[winteriscoming]

4 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Have you seen how bad Mavididis finishing is? We dont have two actual strikers in the entire club, thats the issue

I know but you can’t consistently change Ayew for Daka and expect a different outcome. 
Change formation and do something the opposition isn’t expecting. 
I know the options are shit but try something different. 

[South Shire Fox]

9 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

I know but you can’t consistently change Ayew for Daka and expect a different outcome. 
Change formation and do something the opposition isn’t expecting. 
I know the options are shit but try something different. 

You cant expect a winger who cant score to suddenly start scoring as a striker either. The only one who might do a job upfront is a guy who had a good scoring record playing there before in the Championship for Bristol.. BDR

[Chelmofox]

So here is my beef. Whats the point of getting someone new in, just to play Marti ball still?

 

I had some quiet optimism after the last 2 draws. However, my concerns were; we were largely playing the same system with some tweaks, and in both games our poor defending led to us conceding.  

 

Whats the ******g point of bringing someone like Rowett in just to carry on playing Marti ball? Yesterday was like watching us all season, with the same players doing the same stuff. It felt like nothing had changed at all. 

 

Rowett has a full week now with the team. Yet somehow all i think is we will end up with Riccy and Fatawu stinking the right hand side, an XG of 0.3, Ayew falling over for 25 minutes, Stephy looking depressed, CB's unable to defend or play out of the back, Skipp running around but without really being able to play football, and Winks looking pretty but with very little coming from it.

 

Did Rowett really come into this thinking this formation and the reliance on the same principles was going to save our season?

[winteriscoming]

2 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

You cant expect a winger who cant score to suddenly start scoring as a striker either. The only one who might do a job upfront is a guy who had a good scoring record playing there before in the Championship for Bristol.. BDR

Ok do that then. 
All I’m suggesting is to do something different instead of making like for like changes in games. 
We’ve been doing it all season and it’s resulted in fvck all. 
It’s not as if Daka and Ayew are setting the world alight with goals or chances. 
 

[filbertway]

4 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So here is my beef. Whats the point of getting someone new in, just to play Marti ball still?

 

I had some quiet optimism after the last 2 draws. However, my concerns were; we were largely playing the same system with some tweaks, and in both games our poor defending led to us conceding.  

 

Whats the ******g point of bringing someone like Rowett in just to carry on playing Marti ball? Yesterday was like watching us all season, with the same players doing the same stuff. It felt like nothing had changed at all. 

 

Rowett has a full week now with the team. Yet somehow all i think is we will end up with Riccy and Fatawu stinking the right hand side, an XG of 0.3, Ayew falling over for 25 minutes, Stephy looking depressed, CB's unable to defend or play out of the back, Skipp running around but without really being able to play football, and Winks looking pretty but with very little coming from it.

 

Did Rowett really come into this thinking this formation and the reliance on the same principles was going to save our season?

Given Rowett's post match interview it didn't seem like the idea was to play that way, from the look on his face at times and his presser, it sounded like they went into their shell and default mode. Like you say, yesterday felt like what we've seen all season. Stoke and Middlesbrough certainly felt like a positive step forward though.

 

Hopefully it's an eye opener and he manages to implement some change. Stoke aside. Middlesbrough and Ipswich away and a very good Norwich at home is a tough start. Once again, we took an age to bring in someone who was available. Wasted the fixtures that were good opportunities and threw him in when the tough fixtures rolled in.

 

We need to see consistent meaningful change in the approach. Ipswich is somewhat of a gimme, a point would be good. But he's got 2 more full weeks now to get a new mindset stamped on the players for what on paper is a relatively favourable run of games.

 

Slim pickings though if he can't get the currently fit players to look like they give a damn on a regular basis.

 

[South Shire Fox]

16 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Ok do that then. 
All I’m suggesting is to do something different instead of making like for like changes in games. 
We’ve been doing it all season and it’s resulted in fvck all. 
It’s not as if Daka and Ayew are setting the world alight with goals or chances. 
 

I think that more indicates to how bad and unbalanced the squad is. When fit we’ve a few decent CMs/CAMs, one good winger and then a few decent Championship level CBs in Souttar, Lacselles, Vestergaard etc. Unfortunatley our goalkeepers, full backs, and strikers are horrific. People who talk about our team being better on paper then most of the division are utterly deluded. Most are either over the hill or over rated as fck

Edited 1 March by South Shire Fox

[Chelmofox]

10 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Given Rowett's post match interview it didn't seem like the idea was to play that way, from the look on his face at times and his presser, it sounded like they went into their shell and default mode. Like you say, yesterday felt like what we've seen all season. Stoke and Middlesbrough certainly felt like a positive step forward though.

 

Hopefully it's an eye opener and he manages to implement some change. Stoke aside. Middlesbrough and Ipswich away and a very good Norwich at home is a tough start. Once again, we took an age to bring in someone who was available. Wasted the fixtures that were good opportunities and threw him in when the tough fixtures rolled in.

 

We need to see consistent meaningful change in the approach. Ipswich is somewhat of a gimme, a point would be good. But he's got 2 more full weeks now to get a new mindset stamped on the players for what on paper is a relatively favourable run of games.

 

Slim pickings though if he can't get the currently fit players to look like they give a damn on a regular basis.

 

We used to say the same about Marti. He was often waving his hands to drive them up the pitch.

 

If you start the same structure and setup, you give them the option to go back into their shell and default mode. But its the little things, like the captain first instinct to turn and go backwards, kick offs going straight back to the goalkeeper, players being unable to cross the ball (Riccy again!).  Bringing on Jordan *****g Ayew who drifts around like a blind man who operates in a different sporting dimension.   Its not just the energy. But if they players hadnt shown any energy this season, why were they all of a sudden going to start in the same setup?

 

Nothing changed because Rowett set them up exactly the same way. Boggles my mind that he has taken this approach.

Edited 1 March by Chelmofox

[Muzzy_no7]

I think it’s fair to say that the two previous games looked noticeably better but yesterday was just another typical game from us this season.

 

Rowett looked bewildered by it. 
 

Like others have said, he’s got a week now. I hope he gets Mark Sale in and tells Sadler to do one. 

[Nolucklcfc]

I thought he was very honest post match and sounded a bit confused as to why it was so flat in the end. Ultimately any manager is fighting to climb a slippery slope with this lot. 

[fox_favourite]

Ha. Having an advert on my Foxestalk for a trench digging service I thought was was quite funny. 

[Chelmofox]

20 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

I thought he was very honest post match and sounded a bit confused as to why it was so flat in the end. Ultimately any manager is fighting to climb a slippery slope with this lot. 

So that means he’s not done his homework. 👍 

[filbertway]

57 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

We used to say the same about Marti. He was often waving his hands to drive them up the pitch.

 

If you start the same structure and setup, you give them the option to go back into their shell and default mode. But its the little things, like the captain first instinct to turn and go backwards, kick offs going straight back to the goalkeeper, players being unable to cross the ball (Riccy again!).  Bringing on Jordan *****g Ayew who drifts around like a blind man who operates in a different sporting dimension.   Its not just the energy. But if they players hadnt shown any energy this season, why were they all of a sudden going to start in the same setup?

 

Nothing changed because Rowett set them up exactly the same way. Boggles my mind that he has taken this approach.

Well to me the Stoke and Middlebrough performances were a lot different to the Norwich one and the set up was the same for them.
 

What would your team/formation be that's sound defensively and also creates chances? Genuinely intrigued to know this magical formula that has eluded everyone else.

[Chelmofox]

6 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Well to me the Stoke and Middlebrough performances were a lot different to the Norwich one and the set up was the same for them.
 

What would your team/formation be that's sound defensively and also creates chances? Genuinely intrigued to know this magical formula that has eluded everyone else.

Were the performances really that different? Same setup for sure, and everyone seems to gloss over that Stoke 1st half which was appalling. And i do think Middlesbrough had done enough to win the game in reality. It did feel better, but i think we have likely over played it from a low base of being really awful. We should have won against Stoke - and the worst part is we gifted them 2 goals. 

 

Actually feel the biggest improvement came from not playing Fatawu  

 

But no, now i dont think there was much of an improvement really.

 

I am not a football formations / tactics specialist. But i am shocked to still see us messing around playing pretty stuff whilst 1-0 day at home. And im shocked that the new manager is setting up the same way.

[Tiny earl]

One glaring difference yesterday was Mukasa being totally anonymous.

the two previous games he linked the play brilliantly BUT the lads only eighteen.

Coming from a youth team environment,did we really expect him to play three high intensity games in a week!

He could make a big difference let’s not break him.

 

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, Tiny earl said:

One glaring difference yesterday was Mukasa being totally anonymous.

the two previous games he linked the play brilliantly BUT the lads only eighteen.

Coming from a youth team environment,did we really expect him to play three high intensity games in a week!

He could make a big difference let’s not break him.

 

Actually, i think one of the issues here could be that Winks was doing too much, which i think got in the way of Mukasa and stopped him playing freely. Winks' heatmap:

 

[filbertway]

17 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Were the performances really that different? Same setup for sure, and everyone seems to gloss over that Stoke 1st half which was appalling. And i do think Middlesbrough had done enough to win the game in reality. It did feel better, but i think we have likely over played it from a low base of being really awful. We should have won against Stoke - and the worst part is we gifted them 2 goals. 

 

Actually feel the biggest improvement came from not playing Fatawu  

 

But no, now i dont think there was much of an improvement really.

 

I am not a football formations / tactics specialist. But i am shocked to still see us messing around playing pretty stuff whilst 1-0 day at home. And im shocked that the new manager is setting up the same way.

Can't disagree with too much of that. But I think given the limited options I understand him setting up this way.

 

I'm still optimistic he can find a way out of this for us, hopefully yesterday is an eye opener and he has a plan to fix us.

 

[lcfc_forever]

He's got a week now to work on the team, especially the foundations.And hopefully he see that the likes of Thomas and Ayew should be nowhere near this team - he cited the former's mistake for their 2nd goal so clearly recognises it. 

 

If he's going to switch formations to address the full back issues, this is the time to train it in with a week between fixtures.Having 3 in the middle of the park would help get some solidity there as well, and then JJ supporting Mukasa up front. 

[CornwallFox]

8 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

So here is my beef. Whats the point of getting someone new in, just to play Marti ball still?

 

I had some quiet optimism after the last 2 draws. However, my concerns were; we were largely playing the same system with some tweaks, and in both games our poor defending led to us conceding.  

 

Whats the ******g point of bringing someone like Rowett in just to carry on playing Marti ball? Yesterday was like watching us all season, with the same players doing the same stuff. It felt like nothing had changed at all. 

 

Rowett has a full week now with the team. Yet somehow all i think is we will end up with Riccy and Fatawu stinking the right hand side, an XG of 0.3, Ayew falling over for 25 minutes, Stephy looking depressed, CB's unable to defend or play out of the back, Skipp running around but without really being able to play football, and Winks looking pretty but with very little coming from it.

 

Did Rowett really come into this thinking this formation and the reliance on the same principles was going to save our season?

I'd like to see James playing as an 8 ahead of a more defensive midfielder. One 6 and two 8s kind of formation 

[Leicesterpool]

Honestly can't blame Rowett if we went down, he's come into this with squad of players that aren't up to the fight and not a transfer window to bring him some freshness in the team. Feels the same when Dean Smith came in, got dealt with a poor hand with limited time frame. You would like to think Rowett has lot more time compared what Deano had but still the same problem with set of players they had.

Edited 1 March by Leicesterpool

[woznotwos]

I’d try wingbacks with 5 at the back and a central 3 now James is fit. We aren’t staying up with the same formation. But what do I know..

[Leicesterpool]

I do feel like in this team you can't play Winks and Skipp at the same time, I feel like there two similar players there both defensive midfielders. Rowett has just got two choose which one he's going to go with and then put Jordan James in the other position. Defensively I think Skipp is better but then again you do feel Winks as got a goal in him. 

[J.Lisemore]

Struggle to support a manager that doesn’t make glaringly obvious in game decisions. Okoli was always a disaster waiting to happen on his first half performance alone and he stuck with him for the second half leaving a competent centre half Lascelles on the bench. Really p*** poor management, he talks a good game to media but what is he saying to these players? Absolutely none of that starting 11 looked up for it. 

[TeamRocket]

Do we not have any young under 21 or 16 strikers. Honestly give them a go and send the has been to under 21s or summit till they are gone from the club. Surely a young  up and coming striker will be more hungry and better at find the net then 2 players who are scared to score.