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huddersfieldfox

Rot started when

By huddersfieldfox, in Leicester City Forum

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Kitchandro

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I don’t think we can say any rot set in this season, we were doomed well before. The players never had the will and all the infrastructure and culture at the club has been causing problems for years. You could see from the first game of the season that we were a poor side.

 

I had issues with the ownership before Top was in charge, including some pitiful managerial appointments, but on the pitch we generally got away with it and / or thrived in spite of that. Still, you could argue Puel, with his negative possession football and playing down of the club’s potential, was an early warning sign of what was to come.

 

Interesting to see most people finally agreeing that the culture under Rodgers was the most destructive thing. Yes, sorry to repeat it but it was obvious to some at the time. Pandering to managers who are clearly in it for themselves only erodes the spirit of the club, that spread to the fans, and the standards withered away. We had so much talent in that squad, and we were convinced no manager could do any better. Meanwhile he was dismantling it systematically and psychologically.

 

I’d argue finishing 5th in 2020 should have been a red flag. The players underperformed, showed no fight, had a second-half of the season collapse, played the ball around the back with no urgency. These things, along with the awful recruitment that began under Rodgers and Congerton, are the most significant in our demise, and they’ve happened in every season since, even under Maresca when, again, we got away with it.
 

We have been mentally weak, tactically inept and financially reckless to the extreme since that time. It’s a habit, a culture and a mindset. Top treated Rodgers like he was a saviour, like we were a nothing club, he gave him all the power until it was obvious he’d pissed it up the wall and we couldn’t afford to trust him again.
 

Everyone, including the fans, started to believe the narrative that Rodgers made a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. It became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Now we clap getting relegated to League One. There was never enough pressure on the hierarchy to make changes. To sack Rodgers, to sack Rudkin, to sell the club That comes from the media, but it starts with the fans getting the message across to the point where the media find it interesting enough to latch on to.

 

Anyway, if we start a phoenix club, it should be based on the idea that no one is bigger than the club. 

 

 

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brownfox

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1. 2017/2018 when we got rid of our sports psychologist we have been mentally weak ever since.
2. Brendan publically stating we need investment and the board refusing to take us to next step

3. Hiring Glover

4.  Rudkin not being able to trade / sell players at the right time, ie letting players go for free

5. Top being deluded thinking premier league whilst team playing championship.

6. Top wasting time with stadium expansion when we are free falling 

7. replacing Maresca with Cooper different style of play totally off the mark with the type of manager needed 

8. lying to Ruud about investment and supporting coaches

9. letting the team go downhill whilst ignoring the fans who were screaming for right decisions

10. signing Ayew, BDCR, Skipp & coulibally (the later should be a sackable decision on its own)

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Foxes99

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Won the premier, cracking draw for champions league.  Let’s build on this momentum and cement ourselves. Buy Slimani for club record 28 million!  

 

adam1

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When we had more then one ex Tottenham player in the squad. 

 

Think about it.

 

They are known bottlers. It is in their DNA. Yet we have two of their youth products in our first team squad.

 

WE ARE INFECTED.

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Mark_w

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2015 is when we went from having someone who knew what they were doing in charge of the football operation, to someone who didn't. Obviously we had some great success still on the back of what had already been built and some subsequent good fortune, but that's when we went from having a well thought out plan to just hoping things would work out.

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TeppoPortin

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I think the summer of 2021 was when a lot of our problems started.  The club decided not to sell any players and said they wanted to invest in the squad with the aim of finishing in the top 4.  But instead of signing players who improved the first team they signed players who weren't even as good as our backups.  The 3 players we paid money for in that window have all contributed to 3 relegations including this one.  The knock on effect was the 2022 summer window and the decision to keep Rodgers on far longer than he should have been which led to the first relegation, all in an attempt to save money.

 

Going further back our recruitment started to become a lot more erratic as soon as we didn't have both Pearson and Walsh at the club, even in the successful 2018 window we made some bad signings including Danny Ward.

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Freddy

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6 hours ago, Blueman1967 said:

The Forest FA Cup game seems to be where it started, it might even have been COVID. The money players were put on for Champions League football, which we never had.

I can remember being really shocked as Forest stuffed us, the reigning F A cup holders, at their place quite comfortably. Can remember thinking then that we had no fight and didn't really care as a team. That was the start for me. 

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reynard

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6 hours ago, ronnup said:

Liverpool Boxing day felt like it for me...

Yes for me too. Before that we were playing exciting attacking football. That defeat was a sobering affair and appeared to change our approach to the way we played.

Confidence was knocked for both players and manager and I don't think we ever really got over it. Seems a bit mad to pinpoint the start of the demise to when we were riding high in the league but I do genuinely that day was the turning point.  

Foxdiamond

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1 minute ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Absolutely. It can all be traced back to that. 

I wouldn’t disagree. The bricks and mortar not the issue but rather the lack of discipline and man management probably the cause

reynard

reynard

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55 minutes ago, Lesta Legend said:

2016/2017

 

we didn’t keep Steve Walsh (he wanted DOF) on and decided to stick with the useless cnt Rudkin. A slow decline ever since.

Steve Walsh was amazing for us but that was part of a trio really when he was at his best. I don't think you'd find many Everton fans missing him.

wurmer

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7 hours ago, huddersfieldfox said:

Does anyone have a genuine opinion when the rot started. I'm not asking for years back because I genuinely thought we would go back up this season but its now looking like it's the opposite. 

What changed the players mindset, when did the rot start to creep in and why are our players so weak mentally and physically 

Genuinely - it started when the helicopter went down.

 

Has just gained momentum over the intervening years.

Larry_LCFC

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The day Vichai passed away. He wasn't perfect and got some stuff wrong but I genuinely think he was 10x the owner and businessman Top could ever be. Fairly sure Rudkin would have gone years ago and key decisions would have been made far quicker.

Guesty

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Just now, reynard said:

Steve Walsh was amazing for us but that was part of a trio really when he was at his best. I don't think you'd find many Everton fans missing him.

He did say the Everton board vetoed some of his transfer recommendations. He said he had deals lined up for Andy Robertson and Maguire for £20 million - and Haaland for around £4 million - and Jonny Evans. 

 

That could have been us.

 

Promoting Rudkin over him is probably the biggest mistake we've ever made.

reynard

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Just now, Guesty said:

He did say the Everton board vetoed some of his transfer recommendations. He said he had deals lined up for Andy Robertson and Maguire for £20 million - and Haaland for around £4 million - and Jonny Evans. 

 

That could have been us.

 

Promoting Rudkin over him is probably the biggest mistake we've ever made.

He did sign some dross  for them though. But promoting Rudkin over anyone is a mistake. He wouldn't even be able to make a decent cup of tea.

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