Positives

[Filbert Fireworks]

4 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

We still have too many under contract this year that we can't get rid of. 

 

Tbh even next year Faes, Vestergaard, BDCR and Choudhary don't expire til 2027 and they'll quite possibly be the four highest paid players in League One. 

 

You could probably have between 7 and maybe even 10 cracking young EFL players with loads of upwards mobility and resell value for what we pay that lot in wages. 

 

We're definitely not completely out of the woods. 

 

Especially with Kristiansen, Okoli and Skipp all here for another two to three years and all of them being paid too much to be able to sell them easily. 

 

Hopefully there is some sort of league 1 relegation clause and we can bin the lot. Not even sell them just straight in the skip. 

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, DAS Boot said:

No positives.  
 

The club is too unattractive for anyone to buy.  Seagrave will be sold in the next 12 months and the club won’t exist in the next 24.

it really isn't. There is a degree of the devil you know (I think I'd rather we continue with this ownership than sell our souls to sportswash human rights abuses in the middle east like Newcastle have done) but we have got genuinely big name recognition from the last 10 years. We've got a huge catchment area for fans as the only professional club in the entire county, elite level facilities (shame about the people staffing and using them). We are an appealing purchase for anyone wanting to own a football club if only Aiyawatt would let go. I get why he doesn't but eventually it will be taken out of his hands, and we should find a buyer very easily 

[Filbert Fireworks]

Think the only positive we can claim is that we are positively absolutely garbage. 

[RowlattsFox]

I think the only positive I can think of is I don't care enough anymore to let it ruin my weekends. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

Hopefully get rid of the mercenary deadwood but I fear it's the really awful players like Winks that will stay as no one will be daft enough to pay them anywhere near as much as we've been stupid enough to. 

 

More room at home games to have a rest / sleep? 

[Winstonthedog]

No queueing for over priced tepid beer and extremely over priced barely warm food ... 

[Finnegan]

23 minutes ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

Hopefully there is some sort of league 1 relegation clause and we can bin the lot. Not even sell them just straight in the skip. 

 

I highly doubt we have clauses like that, not release clauses. 

 

What you might find is that relegation reduction clauses aren't league specific so that those that lost a % when we came down from the Prem will lose a % more. This might encourage them to then find employment elsewhere. 

 

It honestly wouldn't surprise me with all these guys, though, that even with two wage reductions, what we pay them might still be so much better than what they'll get elsewhere that they'd still stay. 

 

I mean let's say we paid Vestergaard 60k in the Prem (it was probably more than that) and he lost 25% after each relegation, he's still going to be taking home north of 33k in League One. 

 

He's 33. Where's he going to get better money than that now? 

 

Likewise Choudhury. He's an extremely Championship player. He should probably be on about 15k somewhere lower mid table in the Champ and that's if we're being very generous. Being a bit harsh I'd probably say his level might even be top end League One. 

 

Even with back to back relegation reductions we probably still pay him north of 25k p/w.

 

Keep in mind the average weekly wage in League One is probably about 5k these days with U21 prospects being on about half of that at most. 

 

I wasn't exaggerating when I said that if you looked at our reject bin, the guys we want rid of (the above plus Thomas, Faes, Okoli, Kristiansen, BDCR, etc) you could probably pay a full 25 man squad capable of winning League One with what they'll earn next year.

 

Edited 20 April by Finnegan

[Winstonthedog]

2 hours ago, ozvaldo said:

A positive from me - we have a new T-shirt to sell in the club shop…

 

 

Is that on sale in the club shop .... sorry superstore  .... that gonna be a best seller 

[Winstonthedog]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I highly doubt we have clauses like that, not release clauses. 

 

What you might find is that relegation reduction clauses aren't league specific so that those that lost a % when we came down from the Prem will lose a % more. This might encourage them to then find employment elsewhere. 

 

It honestly wouldn't surprise me with all these guys, though, that even with two wage reductions, what we pay them might still be so much better than what they'll get elsewhere that they'd still stay. 

 

I mean let's say we paid Vestergaard 60k in the Prem (it was probably more than that) and he lost 25% after each relegation, he's still going to be taking home north of 33k in League One. 

 

He's 33. Where's he going to get better money than that now? 

 

Likewise Choudhury. He's an extremely Championship player. He should probably be on about 15k somewhere lower mid table in the Champ and that's if we're being very generous. Being a bit harsh I'd probably say his level is might even be top end League One. 

 

Even with back to being relegation reductions we probably still pay him north of 25k p/w.

 

Keep in mind the average weekly wage in League One is probably about 5k these days with U21 prospects being on about half of that at most. 

 

I wasn't exaggerating when I said that if you looked at our reject bin, the guys we want rid of (the above plus Thomas, Faes, Okoli, Kristiansen, BDCR, etc) you could probably pay a full 25 man squad capable of winning League One with what they'll earn next year.

 

Vestergaard needs the money  .... have you seen the size of his dog 😂 

[The Doctor]

10 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I highly doubt we have clauses like that, not release clauses. 

 

What you might find is that relegation reduction clauses aren't league specific so that those that lost a % when we came down from the Prem will lose a % more. This might encourage them to then find employment elsewhere. 

 

It honestly wouldn't surprise me with all these guys, though, that even with two wage reductions, what we pay them might still be so much better than what they'll get elsewhere that they'd still stay. 

and this is why I don't really buy into any ideas of a chance to reset this summer. The ones we want rid of aren't going to get a move to a PL club where they think they are, and no ****er is going to give them the wages we do. The only way they move like that, still taking a decent pay cut, is if we agree to pay the difference between their new club wage and their current wage to when their contract would be up with us, and we simply can't afford to be subsiding other clubs wage bills. It's going to be a several year job to reset even if the new technical director is any good and doesn't sign a whole new load of tripe on wages they don't deserve 

[brookfox]

We’re two seasons off being in the same league as Harborough Town!

[dmayne7]

22 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

What do you mean pay them off? 

 

If you mean a mutual termination, as in giving them a reduced lump sum and letting them move on, that pretty much never happens in football for good reason. It's a terrible idea. 

 

Firstly, it up-fronts a cost you were going to spread over multiple seasons and forces you to take the PSR hit immediately all at once. Secondly, it surrenders any future possibility you might have of making money off the player. You never know when a desperate club might come in and try and - at very least - take your player on loan. 

 

Look at us with Joe Aribo. Southampton would have been laughing all the way to the bank. It's happened for us, too, look how many times Soumaré and Praet went out. Each time reducing our costs by the loaning club paying some of the wages and/or chipping in a bit of a fee. Every little helps. 

 

Mutual terminations for players almost never happen and when they do there's usually some extreme behavioural issue. They certainly don't happen when, like us, you pay absolutely massive contracts that are hugely weighted towards basic salary with very minimal performance based add ons. 

 

Why do you think we've struggled to get rid of players during Rudkin's entire era? Our contract structure is appalling. 

 

'Pay them off somewhat'. Not fully. So I'm talking about subsidising their wages as part of transfers to other clubs. And given almost all of them will only have a year left, mutually terminating the contract, which would mean paying less overall, will actually be a net benefit PSR wise (on its own)

 

And the other aspect is they the financial rules are different in L1 so that's going to change how we operate.

 

Plus, in the examples you've given, these were PL players who were not going to be able to match their wages or playing level ambitions at another club. We're now in the situation we're all of these players will think they're 2 levels better so will probably be happy to take a slight wage cut to get back to that level. None of them going to be happy rotting in L1. Most of those players have now had their PSR value written off or reduced to close to nothing so again, not the same consideration.

 

Now this all ignores the fact that if we get rid of players, we'll have to replace them which costs money (and let's be honest, we won't have been scouting players for this level). And then of course, if we did go up, we're back under the same financial regulations so that needs to be keep in the background.

 

Ultimately, I think we'll be lumped with many of them but not because the players don't want to go but because Top/Rudkin won't realise we need to get rid

[Sol thewall Bamba]

I genuinely can't think of any aside from the embarrassment that it has caused King Power and the board. But even then it's not worth it because they'll make excuses and it's equally as embarrassing for the supporters.

[Chelmofox]

9 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I highly doubt we have clauses like that, not release clauses. 

 

What you might find is that relegation reduction clauses aren't league specific so that those that lost a % when we came down from the Prem will lose a % more. This might encourage them to then find employment elsewhere. 

 

It honestly wouldn't surprise me with all these guys, though, that even with two wage reductions, what we pay them might still be so much better than what they'll get elsewhere that they'd still stay. 

 

I mean let's say we paid Vestergaard 60k in the Prem (it was probably more than that) and he lost 25% after each relegation, he's still going to be taking home north of 33k in League One. 

 

He's 33. Where's he going to get better money than that now? 

 

Likewise Choudhury. He's an extremely Championship player. He should probably be on about 15k somewhere lower mid table in the Champ and that's if we're being very generous. Being a bit harsh I'd probably say his level might even be top end League One. 

 

Even with back to back relegation reductions we probably still pay him north of 25k p/w.

 

Keep in mind the average weekly wage in League One is probably about 5k these days with U21 prospects being on about half of that at most. 

 

I wasn't exaggerating when I said that if you looked at our reject bin, the guys we want rid of (the above plus Thomas, Faes, Okoli, Kristiansen, BDCR, etc) you could probably pay a full 25 man squad capable of winning League One with what they'll earn next year.

 

Denmark not in the world cup, so Jannik has probably now said goodbye to his international career. 

 

Only a mentalist of a Championship club would offer him even 50% what we will give him in League One (based on your fag packet numbers). I have nightmares about seeing him, first game of the season next year, against Peterborough, standing on the ball inviting the press whilst groans ring out at the KP. Then he will ping the ball hard to someone in midfield, we lose possession, and i watch him running backwards like he is walking in slime. 1-0 down. 

[orangecity23]

The only positive results we will get is if someone drug tests the first team to test for Horlicks. 

[Finnegan]

12 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

and this is why I don't really buy into any ideas of a chance to reset this summer. The ones we want rid of aren't going to get a move to a PL club where they think they are, and no ****er is going to give them the wages we do. The only way they move like that, still taking a decent pay cut, is if we agree to pay the difference between their new club wage and their current wage to when their contract would be up with us, and we simply can't afford to be subsiding other clubs wage bills. It's going to be a several year job to reset even if the new technical director is any good and doesn't sign a whole new load of tripe on wages they don't deserve 

 

I'd say there's two chances for hope here:

 

The first is that some of the kids are as good as we want them to be. If even a couple of Braybrooke, Aluko, Nelson (if we don't have to sell him to raise money), Alves, Thomas (I doubt it tbh), Page or Evans have Kingesque breakthrough seasons in League One that will take an enormous strain off and most of those should be good enough to at least plug gaps. 

 

The other ray of hope is that whilst we might not have much room to move financially, it actually might not TAKE much to find players who will be good at League One level. 

 

McCarron brings in a couple of gem loans from City Group's network, couple of cheap / free young signings from his travels and all of a sudden the squad doesn't look too awful. 

 

You'd imagine we'd have the pick of players at this level. 

 

We absolutely cannot go another year in a row without finding an absolutely clear cut leading #9 capable of 20+ goals in all comps, though. 

 

Edited 20 April by Finnegan

[Raspeir]

Only possible positives I can see are:

1. The ending of several contracts of overpaid and toxic characters whose contracts we can feel pretty confident the club now won't attempt to renew.
2. The fact that the wages of other bad apples who remain will hopefully be on a lower basic wage, meaning we'll now hopefully be able to move some of them on and out too - so often the barrier to getting rid of scumbags in the dressing room has been that we are paying them more than anyone else would ever be crazy enough to. If they've had their wages halved twice over the last two seasons (wishful thinking perhaps) then at least those wages may be within the ballpark of what other clubs higher up the league would be willing to pay.
3. We bring in a coach that will give some of the talented youth a chance, and can use the opportunity to build a foundation for them so we have some players to be proud of again and who can bring some revenue back in to the club in the long run through earning moves at a higher level.
4. We get chance to finally clear the decks enough to finally re-set the energy of the club and make it enjoyable to go to games again. I'd take a less-talented team that fights and tries hard, giving the blood and sweat that we would give, over the bunch of overpaid and entitled fashionistas we have at the moment, as I'm sure would pretty much all.

[BKLFox]

I’m hanging on to the things happen in cycles theory & dropping into Lge 1 last time ended a torrid cycle and then kick started the most successful cycle in the clubs history….i’m just hoping we are at the end of this bloody cycle mind.

[Silva Fox]

None

[Fox1980]

Concourse staff might actually be able to keep up 

[CrazyKopCorner]

We are one league closer to do the grand slam and winning League 2! You'll never sing that! 

[Dmitry]

The positive for me is that I live more than 3,000 miles away from the King Power Stadium (as crow flies). Otherwise I'd be arrested with some of you, for protesting these frauds.

[TSFox]

Anyone else a little bit excited about the Vertu Trophy?

 

Good opportunity to get back to Wembley?

[HoustonFox]

An upside is that most League One teams are on ifollow so we don’t have to watch the crap that is foxesplayer next season 

 

[Mark_w]

4 minutes ago, TSFox said:

Anyone else a little bit excited about the Vertu Trophy?

 

Good opportunity to get back to Wembley?

I think it's just you