Darren Motsi

[Manwell Pablo]

26 minutes ago, DezFox said:

The fact there is no clear, consistent pathway to regular first team football will not helped, and you know it, not sure why you are arguing. 

No clear pathway to first time football yet we are using several teenagers in first team football. 
 

Ok. 

[Manwell Pablo]

For context, as some people seem to like to call context out without appreciating what it actually means. On average a professional debut is made at about 19. 
 

Now, let’s put that in context against having 34 appearances at 16. 
 

 

[Dan]

If we're going to lose players to the big teams for peanuts (like when Liverpool took Nyoni and never had to actually pay anything) then it really renders Seagrave a bit useless and I've been one of those who generally defended the building of it. The cost vs the reward are skewed well against us unless we're a top half Premier League side.

[Manwell Pablo]

2 minutes ago, Dan said:

If we're going to lose players to the big teams for peanuts (like when Liverpool took Nyoni and never had to actually pay anything) then it really renders Seagrave a bit useless and I've been one of those who generally defended the building of it. The cost vs the reward are skewed well against us unless we're a top half Premier League side.

Nail on the head….

 

Not particularly helped by the fact we’ve made it quite public how great the facility is. 
 

Very easy pickings for big clubs now. 
 

 

[Dan]

4 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

Nail on the head….

 

Not particularly helped by the fact we’ve made it quite public how great the facility is. 
 

Very easy pickings for big clubs now. 
 

 

Honestly, it's too big for us. I hadn't realised the costs involved. What's the ground expansion equivalent? It's probably about 75k.

[MPH]

Expect a couple of Liverpool loanees this season.

[Pita]

7 hours ago, brookfox said:

I know, but they’re still a big Prem club.

At least there useless leaders put there hands in their pockets not like ours 

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said:

I’m sorry, you are comparing yourself and Harry Kane never winning the ballon d’or to Jeremy Monga playing 34 games before the age of 17, just so I’m clear. Just before my point needs further embellishment.  
 

Excuse the tone. 

Yep. It was obviously a very extreme exampl but the point was, that if you don't apply any context to anything, you can make any claim valid/reasonable. If somebody didn't know anything about football but you told them what the ballon d'Or is, then gave them 2 names and said they'd both won it the same amount of times, why an earth would they think one person is a better footballer than the other? They wouldn't because they'd have absolute none of the correct context to make that decision. It's a ridiculous claim but they could only dispute it by pure luck.

 

The number of games Monga played, and Page to a lesser extent (Aluko just a bad call) would probably look great on it's own to a non Leicester fan or in other seasons. But apply a bit of context and it's painfully clear their opportunities/game time has been poor in the circumstances.

 

End of the day, you didn't owe me a reply and it's totally fair if you just wanted to ignore the post, but if you're going to do so and make a counter claim, at least acknowledge or respond to the 'evidence' I presented. Otherwise it's not much more worthwhile than me letting every know that Harry Kane and I are going head to head for the ballon d'Or later this year 

[LCFCCKEANO]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

If we're going to lose players to the big teams for peanuts (like when Liverpool took Nyoni and never had to actually pay anything) then it really renders Seagrave a bit useless and I've been one of those who generally defended the building of it. The cost vs the reward are skewed well against us unless we're a top half Premier League side.

Don’t completely agree here, although it is very frustrating realistically it’ll be the top 1% who get swooped like this, we are still producing a massive amount of sellable talent, even if Motsi, Monga and Page do go we still have millions in talent and it may be the only thing that saves us from the completely inept running of the club especially with transfers. Guys like KDH, Barnes, Chilwell who were not massively rated made millions for us, as long as we can keep some of the guys who are a level below the Motsi’s and Monga’s at that age I think it’ll end up being worthwhile in that regard. Main issue I have with seagrave is more the way we have used it and haven’t taken advantage of the opportunities it presents

[Manwell Pablo]

34 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Yep. It was obviously a very extreme exampl but the point was, that if you don't apply any context to anything, you can make any claim valid/reasonable. If somebody didn't know anything about football but you told them what the ballon d'Or is, then gave them 2 names and said they'd both won it the same amount of times, why an earth would they think one person is a better footballer than the other? They wouldn't because they'd have absolute none of the correct context to make that decision. It's a ridiculous claim but they could only dispute it by pure luck.

 

The number of games Monga played, and Page to a lesser extent (Aluko just a bad call) would probably look great on it's own to a non Leicester fan or in other seasons. But apply a bit of context and it's painfully clear their opportunities/game time has been poor in the circumstances.

 

End of the day, you didn't owe me a reply and it's totally fair if you just wanted to ignore the post, but if you're going to do so and make a counter claim, at least acknowledge or respond to the 'evidence' I presented. Otherwise it's not much more worthwhile than me letting every know that Harry Kane and I are going head to head for the ballon d'Or later this year 

So to boil this backdown to the actual topic as I’ve purposely lead you round the houses, and letting you ramble is getting boring, 
 

You, genuinely think, Motsi and he’s advisors have looked at this club and its policy of playing young players, when Liverpool have made an offer, and viewed the amount of time players like Monga and Page have got as a reason to leave Leicester for Liverpool, give all previous points made in this thread?  
 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

23 minutes ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

Don’t completely agree here, although it is very frustrating realistically it’ll be the top 1% who get swooped like this, we are still producing a massive amount of sellable talent, even if Motsi, Monga and Page do go we still have millions in talent and it may be the only thing that saves us from the completely inept running of the club especially with transfers. Guys like KDH, Barnes, Chilwell who were not massively rated made millions for us, as long as we can keep some of the guys who are a level below the Motsi’s and Monga’s at that age I think it’ll end up being worthwhile in that regard. Main issue I have with seagrave is more the way we have used it and haven’t taken advantage of the opportunities it presents

the facility costs 14 million pounds a year to run mate. That’s a lot to make out of teenage talent every year to make it sustainably breaking even. 
 

League One youngsters shifting for 10 million pounds aren’t exactly ten a penny. 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 21:52 by Manwell Pablo

[Dan]

24 minutes ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

Don’t completely agree here, although it is very frustrating realistically it’ll be the top 1% who get swooped like this, we are still producing a massive amount of sellable talent, even if Motsi, Monga and Page do go we still have millions in talent and it may be the only thing that saves us from the completely inept running of the club especially with transfers. Guys like KDH, Barnes, Chilwell who were not massively rated made millions for us, as long as we can keep some of the guys who are a level below the Motsi’s and Monga’s at that age I think it’ll end up being worthwhile in that regard. Main issue I have with seagrave is more the way we have used it and haven’t taken advantage of the opportunities it presents

Chilwell left before Seagrave was opened and Barnes and KDH had broken into the team or thereabouts before it was built as well.

 

I don't think is 100% the fault of the club this time. I do think this is a quite broken system where Liverpool can take a player off us for essentially nothing. Something I'd like to think we used as an argument in our favour during the court rulings.

 

But within those constraints I don't think we've given ourselves the best opportunity either for reasons outlined in this thread. Aluko and Page were substantially underused this season.

 

And if top clubs are still able to pinch the best ones off us for nothing then I don't think you can really say it's going to be worth it. Our training ground would supplement a top club. For us I think it's a bit of a noose around our neck - it's never going to pay for itself.

 

That's before you even know how much you can really attribute the success of these players to Seagrave as well. Is Monga good because of Seagrave, or is Monga good because he's a good player? In-fact actually he looks less promising than he did 12 months ago.

[LCFCCKEANO]

10 hours ago, Dan said:

Chilwell left before Seagrave was opened and Barnes and KDH had broken into the team or thereabouts before it was built as well.

 

I don't think is 100% the fault of the club this time. I do think this is a quite broken system where Liverpool can take a player off us for essentially nothing. Something I'd like to think we used as an argument in our favour during the court rulings.

 

But within those constraints I don't think we've given ourselves the best opportunity either for reasons outlined in this thread. Aluko and Page were substantially underused this season.

 

And if top clubs are still able to pinch the best ones off us for nothing then I don't think you can really say it's going to be worth it. Our training ground would supplement a top club. For us I think it's a bit of a noose around our neck - it's never going to pay for itself.

 

That's before you even know how much you can really attribute the success of these players to Seagrave as well. Is Monga good because of Seagrave, or is Monga good because he's a good player? In-fact actually he looks less promising than he did 12 months ago.

True, I was moreso going for the angle of being able to produce the talent more now, as I see 4/5 youngsters who could be those types coming through. The above post about it being 14m a year was something I wasn’t necessarily aware of but also when I say our use I mean moreso the opportunities to use the space to create income. Through my work for example I know Arsenal make a large amount of money creating and selling renewable energy at theirs, and there is ample space for us to do this, we could also look to rent out sections of it, sell Belvoir and move the women’s team in too etc. 
 

However at 14 a year is not an easy number to reach tbf, but as much of a nightmare as that is I do think we have had many chances to mitigate the cost slightly and seem to have chosen not to do anything at all

[davieG]

Leicester City midfielder has chosen Liverpool

 

Liverpool’s summer is being constructed on two very different timelines.

On one, there is the urgent, high-profile work of finding a new head coach – Andoni Iraola now widely expected to take the job after reportedly turning down both Crystal Palace and Bayer Leverkusen to wait for Anfield.

On the other, quieter and largely out of sight, there is the work that never stops regardless of what is happening in the manager’s office.

The academy pipeline.

It is a part of Liverpool’s operation that has quietly become one of the most envied in English football.

The signing of Rio Ngumoha from Chelsea in 2024, widely considered a coup at the time, has already paid dividends, with the youngster breaking into senior involvement at Anfield far ahead of schedule.

Then there is Trey Nyoni, signed from Leicester City’s academy in September 2023 at the age of 16 and now sitting on 20 first-team appearances.

The pattern is consistent and deliberate: identify the best young talent in English football, move early, and trust the process.

FSG’s recruitment structure appears to have struck again, and this time, once more, the trail leads back to Leicester City.

According to a report from academy football analyst OleKristofferE on X, posted in the early hours of Sunday morning, Liverpool have won the race for 15-year-old Darren Motsi, with the teenager having made his decision.

The source was unambiguous, “Darren Motsi, one of the country’s biggest talents, has chosen Liverpool. An enormous coup for the club. They’re very pleased with this one.”

Motsi is an attacking midfielder who is left-footed, intelligent, physically beyond his years.

Despite being just 15, he spent the entirety of the 2025/26 season playing for Leicester’s Under-21 side in Premier League 2, an environment where most players are anywhere between two and six years his senior.

Across the campaign, he made 20 appearances in all competitions, scoring three goals and contributing two assists, with nine chances created and a pass accuracy of 76.5% in PL2 specifically.

Technically, the profile is compelling.

He operates with exceptional composure under pressure, carries the ball with directness through midfield lines, and possesses the kind of left-footed passing range that suits both a central playmaker role and wider positions.

His decision-making has drawn particular praise from those who have watched him closely.

Internationally, he has already earned seven caps for England’s Under-16 side, including a development tournament in Florida in April where the young Lions faced the United States, Argentina, and Mexico.

The source drew the obvious parallel, “He is thus taking the Nyoni route from Leicester to Liverpool.”

It is a route that has already produced results.

Liverpool, in the middle of one of their most turbulent summers in years, are quietly building the future at the same time.

That is planning.

That is a club with a vision beyond the noise.

[ramadaone]

13 hours ago, Dan said:

If we're going to lose players to the big teams for peanuts (like when Liverpool took Nyoni and never had to actually pay anything) then it really renders Seagrave a bit useless and I've been one of those who generally defended the building of it. The cost vs the reward are skewed well against us unless we're a top half Premier League side.

Liverpool did pay for him

Nothing like what he was probably worth but they did pay figures

[Sly]

So frustrating but every club loses players to bigger fish.

 

I agree though, Seagrave is semi pointless if we are not getting true value for our developmental players. 

[brookfox]

Going to happen more and more, particularly with Prem clubs pushing to cap the compensation via tribunal. Brexit cut off the EU supply so unsurprisingly the greedy beggars started fishing in another pond. One we now swim in with a cost base that’s way beyond what we’ll make at any tribunal.

[dayday]

Doesn’t help that we’re shit and run by idiots 

[LCFCCKEANO]

Deals like that should at the very least have 50% sell ons and bonuses based on appearances for the club taking the youngsters based on the level of the appearances, or else it really does discourage producing young English talent for anyone but the big 6 

[Sly]

2 hours ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

Deals like that should at the very least have 50% sell ons and bonuses based on appearances for the club taking the youngsters based on the level of the appearances, or else it really does discourage producing young English talent for anyone but the big 6 

To be honest, this is what will kill lots of professional football clubs. You could sorted of see the football Pyramid looking a lot smaller in 25 years time.!

[ronnup]

Seagrave creating talent for Prem clubs and us getting pennies 

 

Shut it down 

[Dan]

6 hours ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

True, I was moreso going for the angle of being able to produce the talent more now, as I see 4/5 youngsters who could be those types coming through. The above post about it being 14m a year was something I wasn’t necessarily aware of but also when I say our use I mean moreso the opportunities to use the space to create income. Through my work for example I know Arsenal make a large amount of money creating and selling renewable energy at theirs, and there is ample space for us to do this, we could also look to rent out sections of it, sell Belvoir and move the women’s team in too etc. 
 

However at 14 a year is not an easy number to reach tbf, but as much of a nightmare as that is I do think we have had many chances to mitigate the cost slightly and seem to have chosen not to do anything at all

Honestly, I'm a bit more lenient on the club for this one because I think it's a noble idea, but it looks less and less realistic with each passing month that this works in our favour and with how much it costs us it's become a real issue.

 

I agree with most of what you say here btw, I'd like it to become something that not only supplements our first team but becomes like a passive income as well as we sell the odd player each year from it to help cover the costs. But this can only work if we're any good at first team level. In League One it's a noose around our neck.

 

We as a club seemingly can't even be arsed to properly scout players anymore so the odds of us doing anything slightly quirky to use it to make money on the side seems optimistic. As ever, like I alluded to in another thread if you draw a flow chart of every situation you're presented with regarding LCFC it comes back to needing new ownership basically every single time.

[Dan]

6 hours ago, ramadaone said:

Liverpool did pay for him

Nothing like what he was probably worth but they did pay figures

How much? I bet it was absolute peanuts. £2mil max, my guess.

[LCFCCKEANO]

20 minutes ago, Dan said:

Honestly, I'm a bit more lenient on the club for this one because I think it's a noble idea, but it looks less and less realistic with each passing month that this works in our favour and with how much it costs us it's become a real issue.

 

I agree with most of what you say here btw, I'd like it to become something that not only supplements our first team but becomes like a passive income as well as we sell the odd player each year from it to help cover the costs. But this can only work if we're any good at first team level. In League One it's a noose around our neck.

 

We as a club seemingly can't even be arsed to properly scout players anymore so the odds of us doing anything slightly quirky to use it to make money on the side seems optimistic. As ever, like I alluded to in another thread if you draw a flow chart of every situation you're presented with regarding LCFC it comes back to needing new ownership basically every single time.

Can’t disagree with any of this. Regardless of opinions we have it all does circle back to the completely embarrassing ownership and running of the club, all roads lead to the same destination

[lcfc sheff]

again, there was tweets like this last year for Monga, and they proved to be false; as well as a few ITKs saying the same.