Martin Out

[MGLCFC]

It's the world we live in - no patience, instant gratification. I didn't want Martin, but he's here now. It's absolute madness to talk about giving him the boot after one game. Let's see where we are after a dozen or so games. Remember there was the O'Neill out brigade early in his tenure.

Apart from anything else, we can't afford to sack him, he's on a three year contract. Who else would take this job on at the moment? We've also spent what little finances we have on supporting Martin with players he wanted at the club - would these be the players a new manager would require?

Hopefully things will settle down, we've had a major overall of playing staff and we need time for things to bed in.

[Bezzanator89]

3 hours ago, South Shire Fox said:

Delete this shite. Never been a fan but will give him until atleast October/November to properly judge

25 minutes ago, Phild said:

Its game 1 of 46!

13 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Two competitive games is not enough to call time on him FFS 🤣 

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Martin is nowhere near being the problem here, there is still 5 or 6 senior pro’s that need moving on and we are at least 2 or 3 CB’s, a left back, striker and a CDM away from being where we need to be. 
 

Shifting out the wantaways and deadwood was never going to be done and dusted by this point, so it was highly likely our first 4/5 games would be a little challenging as we navigate through to the closure of the window. 
 

Yesterday was nowhere near the level of performance the manager or supporters will expect or accept longer term, the new boys will improve as they settle and the real positive was the emergence and performance of the likes of JJ, Braybrooke and Alves 

Thank goodness, some patience and common sense still lingers on this forum.

 

It's only been 2 games and its not been pretty by any stretch, and we have been lucky in a sense not to lose either game, but we didn't. RM's football isn't appealing on the eye, but give him time. We should incorporate a 12 hour posting on this forum to let people calm down and post more rationally. 

[cropstonfox]

Terrible appointment,

No faith in his methods, flexibility or judgement.But he's at our club now, so let's give him a chance and hope he proves us all wrong  ala Martin O'Neil.

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Im thinking more simplistic…. The simple process of having a focal point. What Martin is trying to achieve won’t work, it won’t work with Cullen or Bobby Reid, it completely stifles our attack and essentially means we’re completely ineffective going forward, the XG yesterday was unacceptable playing against essentially a league 2 team. 
 

I don't think Burns is any good myself, I wasn’t impressed, but I don’t think Bobby or Cullen are any good either, but the one redeeming quality Burns has, is he has a presence about him, and could at least occupy the defenders and be a nuisance. 
 

I don’t hate Martin, I just don’t think he’s a good coach, the way he presents himself and peddles his philosophy mascaraed’s a fairly inadequate coach in my opinion… and I can’t see this season being any different to last, because whilst we are perfecting passing sequences, we won’t be productive enough in the final third to score enough goals to even think about promotion. 

I get it, but I think saying 'play Burns there' as just throwing poo at the wall. I strongly doubt anything would have come of it and i think it makes sense to play Burns in his strongest position, otherwise its square pegs in round holes all over the pitch. Martin had to make a decision and stick to it.

 

On reflection (and calming down a little), and i hate saying this, i think with what Martin has available, playing Bobby was the right call, but CANNOT be moving forward.  Bobby got on the end of 3 chances, and arguably should have converted 1 of them. BUT, we've seen even the best (even Vardy) miss these sorts of chances over the years, so just because Bobby does I probably shouldn't be throwing my toys out of the pram - yet. In those 3 scenarios Bobby was in the right position, and Bobby was able to provide the link up play (average at it mind you) that i know Russell wants.  Not saying he was any good mind you, just that he performed the role asked of him.

 

Think (rightly or wrongly) Russell wants to keep the overall shape and style he wants with what he has available, which after game 1 is fair. Bobby will get swapped and become 2nd choice, and i am sure we see Souttar and Okoli replace (pleeeaaassee!). 

[Winstonthedog]

10 hours ago, Pliskin said:

My concern is that because are up for sale they will just **** this off and let him do what he wants until we’re sold. This season could get very ugly very quickly. 

True ... stin King power are now officially no longer interested in thr club ... they will not invest only recoup all monies available 

[TJB-fox]

If you’re one of the idiots that booed yesterday, take your frustrations up with the board and ownership not with the manager. 
 

 

[Dames]

2 hours ago, jimmy7587 said:

We are up for sale, we’ve offloaded a load of players (still needing more) and recently had a flurry of signings. I think things are moving in the direction they need too.
 

No point dwelling on the mismanagement since 2022 now when wheels in motion for change. A buyer will come in, King Powers reign will end (and to be honest, it has been a good tenure when you consider where we were when they acquired us) and the next phase will begin.

 

We are in League One. It is what it is. One game, one point. Let’s support Russell, and understand we are in a transitional period where patience may be required.

Not having it. Patience is gone. Patience landed us in this mess.

 

The same mistakes are happening now that happened under Rodgers. We barely created chances against a team that was in League 2 last season and we barely created chances against a team that is in league 2 last week. 

We yet again have a manager that is going to slavishly adhere to the ‘King Power Way’ no matter where it takes us and its going to take us to League 2. 
 

Enough is enough. 

[TJB-fox]

1 minute ago, Dames said:

Not having it. Patience is gone. Patience landed us in this mess.

 

The same mistakes are happening now that happened under Rodgers. We barely created chances against a team that was in League 2 last season and we barely created chances against a team that is in league 2 last week. 

We yet again have a manager that is going to slavishly adhere to the ‘King Power Way’ no matter where it takes us and its going to take us to League 2. 
 

Enough is enough. 

I’m just as strongly King Power out as you are, but the negativity kicking in from minute 2 yesterday was ridiculous and not helpful. The booing at the end really wicked me off. 

[Dames]

Just now, TJB-fox said:

I’m just as strongly King Power out as you are, but the negativity kicking in from minute 2 yesterday was ridiculous and not helpful. The booing at the end really wicked me off. 

No, they deserve it. The players and the manager do not deserve a free ride and or patience when they are barely creating chances against this level of opposition.

 

The entire future of the club is on the line, they need to be putting in maximum effort week in week out because the wages they draw are killing us. I did not see maximum effort or quality from the senior professionals yesterday and they deserve all the heat they get. 
 

People want to be seen as being patient or taking a measured approach to things but tor the money we are paying out and the position we was in just a few years ago we should be blowing teams aways 3/4-0 most weeks. Not scraping by barely troubling teams that were in League 2 when we were in the Premier League 2 short seasons ago. 

[lcfcbluearmy]

5 hours ago, South Shire Fox said:

Delete this shite. Never been a fan but will give him until atleast October/November to properly judge

We will be bottom half by then 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

It's the world we live in - no patience, instant gratification. I didn't want Martin, but he's here now. It's absolute madness to talk about giving him the boot after one game. Let's see where we are after a dozen or so games. Remember there was the O'Neill out brigade early in his tenure.

Apart from anything else, we can't afford to sack him, he's on a three year contract. Who else would take this job on at the moment? We've also spent what little finances we have on supporting Martin with players he wanted at the club - would these be the players a new manager would require?

Hopefully things will settle down, we've had a major overall of playing staff and we need time for things to bed in.

He has to win 30 out of 46 games though or we're ****ed. Now it's 30 out of 45. We don't have time for him to bed in, whatever he's wanting to do has to work immediately.

[MGLCFC]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

He has to win 30 out of 46 games though or we're ****ed. Now it's 30 out of 45. We don't have time for him to bed in, whatever he's wanting to do has to work immediately.

You're right he may not have time, but that's the reality of the situation. He's likely to see 5 or 6 more out and 3 or 4 more in before deadline day is over. How can players bed in when the team changes so often during early season.

[Dames]

3 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

He has to win 30 out of 46 games though or we're ****ed. Now it's 30 out of 45. We don't have time for him to bed in, whatever he's wanting to do has to work immediately.

We couldnt even create chances against the newly promoted team. I cant see where 30 wins are going to come from right now as things stand. 

[lcfcbluearmy]

3 hours ago, jimmy7587 said:

We are up for sale, we’ve offloaded a load of players (still needing more) and recently had a flurry of signings. I think things are moving in the direction they need too.
 

No point dwelling on the mismanagement since 2022 now when wheels in motion for change. A buyer will come in, King Powers reign will end (and to be honest, it has been a good tenure when you consider where we were when they acquired us) and the next phase will begin.

 

We are in League One. It is what it is. One game, one point. Let’s support Russell, and understand we are in a transitional period where patience may be required.

We are in a worse place now than when they bought us (literally the lowest position in our history)

[BenTheFox]

Lads, this is pathetic. It was terrible yesterday but we're two competitive games in. 

 

[Dames]

1 minute ago, BenTheFox said:

Lads, this is pathetic. It was terrible yesterday but we're two competitive games in. 

 

Yes people said the same thing last season and look where we are now.

 

Its not pathetic, the only pathetic thing is mentalities like yours. Its about time

standards were restored and the team were held to them. 
 

We are in League one on the brink of financial oblivion, why does this not compute with some people? 

[TJB-fox]

16 minutes ago, Dames said:

No, they deserve it. The players and the manager do not deserve a free ride and or patience when they are barely creating chances against this level of opposition.

 

The entire future of the club is on the line, they need to be putting in maximum effort week in week out because the wages they draw are killing us. I did not see maximum effort or quality from the senior professionals yesterday and they deserve all the heat they get. 
 

People want to be seen as being patient or taking a measured approach to things but tor the money we are paying out and the position we was in just a few years ago we should be blowing teams aways 3/4-0 most weeks. Not scraping by barely troubling teams that were in League 2 when we were in the Premier League 2 short seasons ago. 

Well, this is where we’re at. Just because we were in the premier league a few years ago doesn’t mean we’re entitled to turn up and blast teams away. You’ll have seen it with Ipswich, Forest, Leeds, Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton, Wigan etc in previous seasons - just because you have better infrastructure doesn’t mean you’re a gimme to go straight back up. 
 

I’m fully expecting us to get promoted and anything less than that is a massive failure but telling me that Martin & Co deserved to get booed yesterday is a bit silly I’m afraid. 
 

We’re 1 game in ffs. 

Edited 16 August by TJB-fox

[MGLCFC]

2 minutes ago, Dames said:

Yes people said the same thing last season and look where we are now.

 

Its not pathetic, the only pathetic thing is mentalities like yours. Its about time

standards were restored and the team were held to them. 
 

We are in League one on the brink of financial oblivion, why does this not compute with some people? 

Let's have your enlightened answer to how things should improve. Don't say sack the board, because that isn't happening. Don't say sack the manager because we can't afford to. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

11 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

You're right he may not have time, but that's the reality of the situation. He's likely to see 5 or 6 more out and 3 or 4 more in before deadline day is over. How can players bed in when the team changes so often during early season.

I think my point was more that it was the wrong appointment in the first place, lurching from possession based managers to survival mode and back again. That's why Pearson was the perfect appointment in this league last time, keep it relatively simple, play to players strengths and relentlessly pick up wins.

 

It's all on the ownership basically.

Edited 16 August by Sol thewall Bamba

[DezFox]

My opinion hasn't changed at all. That game was exactly what I expected. It seems madness to want to get rid of him already but I guess if you didn’t want him in first place it’s not really jumping the gun. I don’t want Martin, don’t rate him whatsoever so would love it he wasn’t our manager. However, I am willing to give him time to prove me wrong. I really hope he does. 

[Dames]

2 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

Well, this is where we’re at. Just because we were in the premier league a few years ago doesn’t mean we’re entitled to turn up and blast teams away. You’ll have seen it with Ipswich, Forest, Leeds, Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton, Wigan etc in previous seasons - just because you have better infrastructure doesn’t mean you’re a gimme to go straight back up. 
 

I’m fully expecting us to get promoted and anything less than that is a massive failure but telling me that Martin & Co deserved to get booed yesterday is a bit silly I’m afraid. 
 

We’re 1 game in ffs. 

They deserved it because some of them are being paid over 50k a week to perform like that and concede sloppy goals against a league one team. Doesnt matter if we are 1 game in or 40. It is not acceptable. 
 

1 minute ago, MGLCFC said:

Let's have your enlightened answer to how things should improve. Don't say sack the board, because that isn't happening. Don't say sack the manager because we can't afford to. 

We should sack the manager and someone should finally stand up to the nepo baby and tell him we cant afford to play his shit useless style of football any longer. Its dooming the club. 

[HP1]

Sack him and get Rowett in as a firefighter. I hear he's out of a job and he knows the club.

Edited 16 August by HP1

[Dames]

5 minutes ago, DezFox said:

My opinion hasn't changed at all. That game was exactly what I expected. It seems madness to want to get rid of him already but I guess if you didn’t want him in first place it’s not really jumping the gun. I don’t want Martin, don’t rate him whatsoever so would love it he wasn’t our manager. However, I am willing to give him time to prove me wrong. I really hope he does. 

We always hope that we are proved wrong and we would love nothing more than to be proved wrong because it would mean we are winning games and getting out of this horrible mess.

 

However we are yet to be proved wrong and i doubt we will be proved wrong on this occasion either. The signs arent good. 

[MGLCFC]

3 minutes ago, Dames said:

We should sack the manager and someone should finally stand up to the nepo baby and tell him we cant afford to play his shit useless style of football any longer. Its dooming the club. 

Already told you we can't afford to and even if we could who would take the job with players already recruited to suite RM. As for Top, he'll go when he gets the right deal for KP I assume. But you haven't answered the question with a realistic alternative. Yes, some may want to sack the manager now, most would like the board to go, but it's not happening any time soon.

 

[Kitchandro]

2 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

It's the world we live in - no patience, instant gratification. I didn't want Martin, but he's here now. It's absolute madness to talk about giving him the boot after one game. Let's see where we are after a dozen or so games. Remember there was the O'Neill out brigade early in his tenure.

Apart from anything else, we can't afford to sack him, he's on a three year contract. Who else would take this job on at the moment? We've also spent what little finances we have on supporting Martin with players he wanted at the club - would these be the players a new manager would require?

Hopefully things will settle down, we've had a major overall of playing staff and we need time for things to bed in.

Again, I keep hearing this, but no.

 

If people didn’t want him in the first place (with a plethora of good arguments based on freely available evidence at previous clubs) then it would be extremely fickle and inconsistent to then say he should be given time and ‘a chance’.

 

Nobody on this forum has any impact on this bloody manager. But if you didn’t want him, stand by it. The sooner he is sacked and replaced by someone competent the better.
 

And I know that won’t happen, it’s a forum. I’m some random bloke on a football forum, I’m not taking responsibility for King Power’s bad decisions and changing my feelings as if me giving him a chance has any impact whatsoever. It’s not my fault Top has pissed money away on this guy, is it? 

Edited 16 August by Kitchandro