Manwell Pablo Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 Ecstacy kills less people that Paracetamol I believe. Shouldn't be too hard to make a test to tell if you are likely to be allergic to it. that proves nothing people commit Suicide on Paras! god knows why it's suppose to be highley unpleasent.
The People's Hero Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 How long has she been given up for.Has she passed the stage where she wants to kill you slowly with a butter knife. That's a 'stage'? Phew. (no).
Geo V Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 Forget about drug addiction, lets deal with my gambling one. I`d like £20k a week to feed my habit please. If you are doing it for the druggies you can do it for me!
Head Honcho Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 way to late Yeh but there's Cocaine and there's Cocaine!
BigGibbo Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 Yeh but there's Cocaine and there's Cocaine! True story its more like powdered milk that the wannabe rich kids round here are paying 50 quid a G for it amuses me
Jon the Hat Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 that proves nothing people commit Suicide on Paras!god knows why it's suppose to be highley unpleasent. The point is that it is deemed entirely reasonable to have drugs on general sale which can kill you. People are trusted not to OD on drugs they can buy for 16p at Tesco. What is the difference?
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 The point is that it is deemed entirely reasonable to have drugs on general sale which can kill you. People are trusted not to OD on drugs they can buy for 16p at Tesco. What is the difference? You don't have to be allergic to ecstacey for it to kill you and you don't have to overdose on it.
Master Fox Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 True story its more like powdered milk that the wannabe rich kids round here are paying 50 quid a G for it amuses me Ones terminology would suggest he’s dabbled in a G or two
Master Fox Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 You don't have to be allergic to ecstacey for it to kill you and you don't have to overdose on it. When did anyone last die from taking Ecstasy? 10 years ago? It’s a myth, you’re probably about 1,000 times more likely to die from something alcohol related.
James. Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 You don't have to be allergic to ecstacey for it to kill you and you don't have to overdose on it. Most people who die from taking it were idiots who thought they could drink a shitload of alcohol, not drink any water and get away with taking 4 or 5 pills in a short space of time. Considering the amount of people who take it every weekend it's really not the evil killer the media make it out to be. It's the psychological effects that should be considered more than anything. Bottom line for me though is that WHATEVER the government do to try and fight the problem it hasn't worked. Some of it has made the problem worse, nothing has noticeably made anything better. Legalising, decriminalising, whatever, something RADICAL has to be done to make any inroads.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 When did anyone last die from taking Ecstasy? 10 years ago? It’s a myth, you’re probably about 1,000 times more likely to die from something alcohol related. It's not that long ago, it's like one a year I think something like that, your right it is pretty rare but it is possible. I can still kill you without taking to much over a short of long period of time though, makes it pretty unique in the drug world actually.
Vacamion Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 You don't have to be allergic to ecstacey for it to kill you and you don't have to overdose on it. You could say the same for salt, sugar and alcohol, but they are all legal. Ecstasy harms a lot fewer people than alcohol. I have no axe to grind here, I've never taken the stuff, but if people want to take it, prohibition and letting criminal gangs run the business is not the way to do it.
Master Fox Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 It's not that long ago, it's like one a year I think something like that, your right it is pretty rare but it is possible. I can still kill you without taking to much over a short of long period of time though, makes it pretty unique in the drug world actually. 1 person, not many really is it? When did Manwell become a drug? And why do you keep threatening to kill me? What did i do? This is about the Cobs isn't it? Blasted cobs, i knew they would land me bother.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 You could say the same for salt, sugar and alcohol, but they are all legal.Ecstasy harms a lot fewer people than alcohol. I have no axe to grind here, I've never taken the stuff, but if people want to take it, prohibition and letting criminal gangs run the business is not the way to do it. Neither do I, I'm just saying it's possible for one person to cark it after taking one pill, which isn't true of having a portion of chips with a shit load of salt, a cup of coffee with two sugars or having a pint at lunch time!
BigGibbo Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 Ones terminology would suggest he’s dabbled in a G or two Neh tried it years ago didn't like it same with smoking & weed most of my mates have a dabble fairly often so it is around me though i just ignore it really unless some tw@ts gurning his face off then it irks me
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 A lot of good info on this site if you can be bothered to delve. Even some of the Old Bill are up for it
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 Anyone got any pills? Only some to stop the voices. They don't work
Daggers Posted 12 October 2007 Author Posted 12 October 2007 Ecstacy does actually kill people though so if that was legalised there would be young kids droppin off all over the place & if you legalised all the drugs apart from X heroine crystal meth & the likes (that can kill) there would still be a market & therefor still the same gangland climate so there is no such easy solution unfortunately! I don't give a shit about people dieing as a direct result of substance abuse. Hard cheese to them. I'm pure evil. The daft moral stand-point of banning everything doesn't work; Trying to scare kids with a list of dangers (when they are tripping their tits off in class and have been doing it for years with no ill effects) doesn't work; Ad campaigns and charity songs don't work; Spending billions in trying to secure our borders doesn't work and nor does arresting small-time drug pushers. Don't most gangs deal in coke and crack, the ones that shoot people anyway. I don't believe that they limit the range of substances that they deal in. Ecstasy harms a lot fewer people than alcohol. I'm not comfortable with the sweeping acceptance of ectasy - prolonged use of that and cannabis have been strongly linked to mental health problems. The rise in the abuse of both and that of people being treated for MHP's would indicate a causal link. But. Legalise everything and you end up raising revenue from sales while saving money left right and centre which can then be targeted at addiction therapy. So far I've not heard a decent argument against doing so.
Master Fox Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 I don't give a shit about people dieing as a direct result of substance abuse. Hard cheese to them. I'm pure evil. The daft moral stand-point of banning everything doesn't work; Trying to scare kids with a list of dangers (when they are tripping their tits off in class and have been doing it for years with no ill effects) doesn't work; Ad campaigns and charity songs don't work; Spending billions in trying to secure our borders doesn't work and nor does arresting small-time drug pushers. I don't believe that they limit the range of substances that they deal in. I'm not comfortable with the sweeping acceptance of ectasy - prolonged use of that and cannabis have been strongly linked to mental health problems. The rise in the abuse of both and that of people being treated for MHP's would indicate a causal link. But. Legalise everything and you end up raising revenue from sales while saving money left right and centre which can then be targeted at addiction therapy. So far I've not heard a decent argument against doing so. I’m just not sure our society and the culture in this country could handle having class A drugs available to them on a regular basis. The majority of us who abuse alcohol would soon move over to using drugs if they became readily available. I think that’s the main reason why a lot people don’t do drugs, because they don’t know anyone to get them from. People who wouldn’t usually get involved with drug taking will be tempted to experiment and therefore creating a far greater social problem. Legalising drugs could resolve one problem with organised crime but could then create another whereby sending the vast majority of the population into paranoid schizophrenic spaced out wrecks. But I would like to see it given a try anyway.
Daggers Posted 12 October 2007 Author Posted 12 October 2007 I’m just not sure our society and the culture in this country could handle having class A drugs available to them on a regular basis. The majority of us who abuse alcohol would soon move over to using drugs if they became readily available. I think that’s the main reason why a lot people don’t do drugs, because they don’t know anyone to get them from. People who wouldn’t usually get involved with drug taking will be tempted to experiment and therefore creating a far greater social problem. Legalising drugs could resolve one problem with organised crime but could then create another whereby sending the vast majority of the population into paranoid schizophrenic spaced out wrecks. But I would like to see it given a try anyway. I don't think the majority of people don't take heroin because it's not on sale at Boots...which isn't to say there might be be a take-up on sales if it was. No advertising though - that'd be right out. But people exist off their tits at the moment anyway...the entire estate next to me is on smack, tranq's, E's and beers - while our area gets robbed by them so they can buy more whenever their child benefit/child tax credit/any other benefit runs out. To me, the entire argument that there would be an increase of abuse only holds water if a reasonable alternative is given...or proof that the current approach is working. God, I must have been really bored today! So, weird animal sex...
Vacamion Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 So, weird animal sex... What's weird, the animal or the sex ?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 The majority of us who abuse alcohol would soon move over to using drugs if they became readily available. I think that’s the main reason why a lot people don’t do drugs, because they don’t know anyone to get them from. Do you really think so? I think if you're desperate to try drugs it takes VERY little effort to get hold of them. Cannabis use is extremely prevalent and you don't have to go along the supply chain of that very far to find people that will get you whatever you want. If the happy go lucky student weed seller doesn't sell the harder stuff he'll know people that will. I'm not downplaying the effects of serious alcohol abuse but I still think there's a big jump from that to injecting heroin. The people that want to take heroin are taking heroin, because at present apart from a minor inconvenience of supply there is very little stopping them. I know a company director who lives in a posh village south of Leicester and his lad managed to get into it, and if he could, anyone can. I don't think the take up would be that great. There's a big difference between taking control of the hard drug supply and making it freely available on the high street. I don't think anyone's suggesting selling crack in shops, but supplying it on the NHS to those that need it would be practical and before anyone starts going on about the NHS not being able to afford it, the billions wasted on completely ineffective prohibition could finance it easily
Webbo Posted 12 October 2007 Posted 12 October 2007 I don't give a shit about people dieing as a direct result of substance abuse. Hard cheese to them. I used to think like that, in fact with the type of morons who take drugs, the world would be a better place without them. Becoming a parent changed my mind, no parent, no matter how pathetic, deserves to out live their children. Legalising drugs wont stop people over dosing, it wont even stop crime, cigarettes are legal but people still smuggle them in and sell them tax free.
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