Fat Ron Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 Hurrah!! Finally Im on a roll now, They can also have Hammond back for £1m, We will swap them Hellings for Bullard, Cort for Healy + £2m & they can have Kaebi for £5m afterall, he is one of the best young players around you know Do Villa still want Stearman? £2.5m and he's yours Martin..
harpendenfox Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 Unbelievable so many people are saying get rid for £2 million. One of our best performers over the last two years. We shell out £2.1 million for DJ and people are saying we should sell Kis for less. Why would we want to sell for 'a fair price'? If we sell, we sell for every last pound we can get, plus as I said earlier, at least 10% of any sell on fee. It's not a question of 'what he's worth', or 'what's fair', its' all about what the market will pay. £4 million. Not a penny less
Fat Ron Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 Unbelievable so many people are saying get rid for £2 million. One of our best performers over the last two years. We shell out £2.1 million for DJ and people are saying we should sell Kis for less. Why would we want to sell for 'a fair price'? If we sell, we sell for every last pound we can get, plus as I said earlier, at least 10% of any sell on fee. It's not a question of 'what he's worth', or 'what's fair', its' all about what the market will pay. £4 million. Not a penny less Actually agree big time with this comment. At first I honestly couldnt believe that Kis was being valued so highly, Now my opinion is changing.... I still dont think he is as good as the Price tags being dished out but if Fulham, Brum or anyone else is willing to pay a massive amount for him and if he wants to go then let him. We dont need to sell, I hope we dont sell, but as with Megson if he wants to go just make sure you get the best possible deal for the club.
Manwell Pablo Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 Can't argue with £2 million for him to be honest.As decent a defender he is, he does have weak points to his game and good money like that probably shouldn't be refused. Weak points! The bloke has no techincal abilty at all we saw that when he played midfield. Good defender but two million, lot of money.
harpendenfox Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 Weak points! The bloke has no techincal abilty at all we saw that when he played midfield. Good defender but two million, lot of money. lot of money to you may be, but not for the Premiership. 'No technical ability at all' Absurd statement
TrickyTrev Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 Yes, but Barnett and Davis can both play football. Unlike Paddy who can just head a ball. Leon Barnett can't play football or head the ball.
potter3 Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 To be fair i dont think Kisnorbo's all that good.....Wasn't good enough to keep hold of the captancy,we've got N'gotty and Mcauly in the middle of the defence.....£2m,get rid! it's not a question of abilty, to be a captain
Raikkonen Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 To be fair i dont think Kisnorbo's all that good.....Wasn't good enough to keep hold of the captancy,we've got N'gotty and Mcauly in the middle of the defence.....£2m,get rid! 2 mil is good money but why would we want to get rid of him
Simon Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 Unbelievable so many people are saying get rid for £2 million. One of our best performers over the last two years. We shell out £2.1 million for DJ and people are saying we should sell Kis for less. Why would we want to sell for 'a fair price'? If we sell, we sell for every last pound we can get, plus as I said earlier, at least 10% of any sell on fee. It's not a question of 'what he's worth', or 'what's fair', its' all about what the market will pay. £4 million. Not a penny less Can sympathise with everything you have to say here. In the current market, with it's overrated prices I think (despite his lack of general footballing attributes) just for being a damn good defender at this level, we could get in excess of £2m for Paddy. Personally though, unless he's hammering the door down asking for a transfer, I'd keep the lad; Milan has the money to splash elsewhere on the team. We don't have to sell in order to buy!
Wezleylowski Posted 31 October 2007 Posted 31 October 2007 We will be extremely lucky to get 2mill for him. He has no passing ability at all and makes loads of mistakes. He can score headers though.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 lot of money to you may be, but not for the Premiership. 'No technical ability at all' Absurd statement Why is that absurd. What technical abilty does Patrick Kisnorbo possess. Fitness wise and physically he's a great player, and he reads the game quite well, but he can't pass, dribble or pretty much do anything besides do a decent job at centre half, and 2 million for such a player should be considered. And Trev, you can act like you know it all because you've seen him a couple of times due to the fact that you have the miss fourtune of living in Luton but Leon Barnett is 21 years old and is playing a key role for 3rd in the table West Brom, at both ends of the pitch.
Dames Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 I'd be cheeky and ask for 3 Million. Sloppy passes and poor distribution is down to the fact that he tends to try and rush the ball out of the area instead of stopping and thinking, Granted sometimes you can't stop and think but there are alot of times you can.
harpendenfox Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 Why is that absurd. What technical abilty does Patrick Kisnorbo possess. Fitness wise and physically he's a great player, and he reads the game quite well, but he can't pass, dribble or pretty much do anything besides do a decent job at centre half, and 2 million for such a player should be considered.And Trev, you can act like you know it all because you've seen him a couple of times due to the fact that you have the miss fourtune of living in Luton but Leon Barnett is 21 years old and is playing a key role for 3rd in the table West Brom, at both ends of the pitch. It is absurd for the simple fact that if, as you state, he has no technical ability, he would not be playing the English Championship, and attracting interest from Clubs in the English Premiership.
davieG Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 There's no way we should consider selling him at this time, it's nothing to do with money it's to do with being able to put out a team. It looks like we'll be using 3 CB for some time or at least until we get a permanent manager. Even now if one of GM, BG or PK was injured we'd be struggling for a decent tried and tested replacement. Kenton is not good enough, Stearman is untried and as far as I'm aware no reserves ready to step up. When and if we get a new manger even then we shouldn't sell unless they have a ready made better/cheaper replacement otherwise what's the point of having £2mill in the bank and insufficient CBs it's a total no brainer.
STUHILL Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 Tough one really, I reckon it would come down to Kisnorbo's choice more than anything if an offer was put in. He has been with us few seasons and doesnt look like we will make Prem this year either so wouldnt blame him wanting a chance in prem. 2million seems about right, he has his strengths and weaknesses. Like someone else mentioned though, with all the inflated prices going around, I would reject the two and hold out for bit more.
MPH Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 Thinking about it, i reckon for a club no longer hiding behind the bushes when the bank manager walks by, we can almost be in the position of ' is this deal for the good of the club' what do we have to gain by this deal? 2m. I dont see that as a gain as such because we dont need the money. So we have nothing to gain by selling him.
Elsie_Effsie Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 KEEP HIM!With Kis we know we've got a solid defender who can score goals, he's a good player, we need him. If we got 2 mill Mandy would probably give the manager half of that, who'd then spunk it on someone **** awful, like most of our signings in the past 2 years. Spot on, could'nt agree more! It has always been Leicester's way, sell the better players for short term profit, and let the supporters put up with the dross no-one else wants. F'ing ace last night though weren't they, for a bunch of cabbage patch kids against the unpronouncable millionaires. Went in their kop for the crack, the Leicester fans at the opposite end were LOUD and vociferous, the whinging southern twa*s couldn't beleive how well we performed, on and off the pitch! "F+ck me mate, they've got both tiers, they've bought more than most premier league clubs bring"
STUHILL Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 Spot on, could'nt agree more!It has always been Leicester's way, sell the better players for short term profit, and let the supporters put up with the dross no-one else wants. F'ing ace last night though weren't they, for a bunch of cabbage patch kids against the unpronouncable millionaires. Went in their kop for the crack, the Leicester fans at the opposite end were LOUD and vociferous, the whinging southern twa*s couldn't beleive how well we performed, on and off the pitch! "F+ck me mate, they've got both tiers, they've bought more than most premier league clubs bring" I don't see that as the case now though with a chairman who actually has some money and wants us in the Prem. i think the 2million would go straight back in to the team. Not sure whether we could get a CB as strong as Kisnorbo for that but I reckon we would have a good shot. I'm not saying we should sell him but it's not end of world if we do.
Dr The Singh Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 I don't see that as the case now though with a chairman who actually has some money and wants us in the Prem. i think the 2million would go straight back in to the team. Not sure whether we could get a CB as strong as Kisnorbo for that but I reckon we would have a good shot. I'm not saying we should sell him but it's not end of world if we do. Kisnorbo is ok at champ level but would be very mediocre at prem level, 2 milliion would be good business!!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 It is absurd for the simple fact that if, as you state, he has no technical ability, he would not be playing the English Championship, and attracting interest from Clubs in the English Premiership. He's attracting interest because of his strengths, aerial abilty etc etc. Techincally as a player he is woeful, his passing his terrible, he can't strike a ball cleanly and the only strengths he has on the ball is abilty to hold others of it. If what I'm saying is so absurd you tell me what good techincal abilty he has. Not every Proffesional football has good techincal abilty
harpendenfox Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 He's attracting interest because of his strengths, aerial abilty etc etc. Techincally as a player he is woeful, his passing his terrible, he can't strike a ball cleanly and the only strengths he has on the ball is abilty to hold others of it. If what I'm saying is so absurd you tell me what good techincal abilty he has.Not every Proffesional football has good techincal abilty I believe he has excellent positional sense and awareness of what's going on around him. He is a good header of the ball. His weakness is is tendency to panic rather than any lack of ability. I would also suggest that when I've seen him he's been on the left of the defensive trio, play slightly ahead of N'Gotty. N'Gotty thus has slightly more time on the ball to spread passes. Kisnorbo is under pressure the moment he receives it, so some of his clearances are misplaced. I believe most central defenders, including those at the very top, look to get rid first. Rightly or wrongly, it's the way we play in the UK.
Webbo Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 I believe he has excellent positional sense and awareness of what's going on around him. He is a good header of the ball. His weakness is is tendency to panic rather than any lack of ability. I would also suggest that when I've seen him he's been on the left of the defensive trio, play slightly ahead of N'Gotty. N'Gotty thus has slightly more time on the ball to spread passes. Kisnorbo is under pressure the moment he receives it, so some of his clearances are misplaced. I believe most central defenders, including those at the very top, look to get rid first. Rightly or wrongly, it's the way we play in the UK. I agree with you slightly more than Manwell, he's not as bad as some people on here say (who is?), but I'd still take £2million for him. It's time for Stearman to make the step up, whether he's good enough I'm not sure but at his age now he should be playing in his true position.
martyn Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 So, regardless of everything.....who replaces Kisnorbo, does a better job and costs £2m or less?
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 I believe he has excellent positional sense and awareness of what's going on around him. He is a good header of the ball. His weakness is is tendency to panic rather than any lack of ability. I would also suggest that when I've seen him he's been on the left of the defensive trio, play slightly ahead of N'Gotty. N'Gotty thus has slightly more time on the ball to spread passes. Kisnorbo is under pressure the moment he receives it, so some of his clearances are misplaced. I believe most central defenders, including those at the very top, look to get rid first. Rightly or wrongly, it's the way we play in the UK. YES HARPENDEN NONE OF THATS TECHINCAL ABILTY THOUGH IS IT!! Just to make my arguement clear, I'm not saying he's a bad player, he's one of the best we have in fact all of what you said is true apart from you saying he's good in the air, I personally think he's outstanding in the air. And I'm not saying we should sell him for 2 million simply that it should definatley be considered. And your quite right, most central defenders are hardly Ronaldinho, but Kisnorbo has a serious lack of techincal abilty and his distrbution is crap even by centre halfs standerd, it panic your right there, he panics because he knows he hasn't got the abilty to do something with the ball besides twat it! He always looks awkward with the ball, of the three centre backs he's easily the worst on the ball. His lack of natural talent and his tendancy to make the occasional very sloppy mistake is what make him a 2 million pound player as oppose to a 4 million pound player in my book.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2007 Posted 1 November 2007 So, regardless of everything.....who replaces Kisnorbo, does a better job and costs £2m or less? Tons of players out there, I'd go for Aleks Lukovic personally. Theres loads of defenders who could replace Kisnorbo and do as/good better job at the back in this division. Problem is his goals are pretty important to us.
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