ASH17LCFC Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Today i've been watching SSN and i have got pretty tick off with this stupid row about how these foreigners are wrecking our national team chances of winning anything. In the 70's there was hardly any foreigners in our game and what did England win ? We qualify for one world cup and thats only because we had won in 66. Same in the eighties, not that many foreigners but still no glory for the english. Now all of a sudden the reason why we can't qualify for Euro 08 because the foreigners are taking over the Premiership. Not got nothing to do with Steve McClaren, nothing to do with our big players going missing ... Its the blooming foreigners fault. Gerrard and Owen both saying how we need more young english players to come up ... We have enough young english players playing at the top level already. Now all them in favour of getting a english manager in just because he is english ... How stupid do you feel now ? I would of went aboard for a manager because there isn't no good english managers around. Give the england job to a top european manager and we would had qualify. But we need someone to blame, its not our fault we are not good enough its them bloody rotten foreigners coming in and making the Premiership the best league in europe. Next time we lose a penalty shootout. There'll be blaming terrorist ...
MC Prussian Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Always blame the Foreigners eh???? It's always the easiest excuse.
Darkzzz_ Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 It just shows how much we are not getting our youth sytems right.... You should see the set ups they have in Italy, Spain, etc.... They are much different to ours..... Thats why all the clubs go abroad and try and snatch there young talent.... Whilst i agree that a lot of english clubs dont give there youth a chance, i am not for this blaming the Foreigners of wrecking our national team..... It is our own fault!!
mancunianfox Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Its nothing to do with the youth setup, coaching etc. We have players who are proven at the top levels of the club game and have achieved lots in the game. The problem is not with the amount of quality players we are producing because we are producing plenty of players who are good enough. England have a squad as good as any in Europe but the problem is that English players never reproduce their club form at international level.
act smiley Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Its partly the youth systems etc. meaning that English talent is often overrated and overpriced, but very little of it is the amount of foreign players, which is mostly a side effect of the previous bit - its mostly simply just poor management and underachieving players and the sooner they stop looking for something else to blame and accept that, the sooner things will improve.
mancunianfox Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Its partly the youth systems etc. meaning that English talent is often overrated and overpriced, but very little of it is the amount of foreign players, which is mostly a side effect of the previous bit - its mostly simply just poor management and underachieving players and the sooner they stop looking for something else to blame and accept that, the sooner things will improve. English players are overpriced and the pound is very strong against the euro. Can you really blame clubs for wanting to bring in foreigners and get more for their money?
purpleronnie Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Its down to the players not playing well enough, tactics, luck, passion, brains.
act smiley Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 English players are overpriced and the pound is very strong against the euro. Can you really blame clubs for wanting to bring in foreigners and get more for their money? Of course not, which was my point.
Darkzzz_ Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Its nothing to do with the youth setup, coaching etc. We have players who are proven at the top levels of the club game and have achieved lots in the game. The problem is not with the amount of quality players we are producing because we are producing plenty of players who are good enough. England have a squad as good as any in Europe but the problem is that English players never reproduce their club form at international level. sorry mate, i dont buy parts of what your saying....In my opinion It is down to getting it right at youth level.... Look at the italian national team for example... all of them are Italy based players (bar grosso lyon).... they all came through youth systems, they all play for top flight clubs, they all have won european cups, etc at there clubs and they are the world champions..... They look at youth differently out there.. Ok i agree with what you are saying about our squad being good enough, beacause we have got some excellent players, proven winners.... who should be performing better.... the reason they are not?? well that is down to a number of things... England have always been overated... It pains me to say that... but it is true... we are built up by so many idiots in the media, 90% of the country buy into it and then we get knocked out!! we are living off 1966 still for christ sake.... If we done things differently at youth level then it would make a lot of difference, half the youth players up and down this country are african, American, Eastern European, etc... In other countrys that is quite rare.... They have there few, but most are home grown..... We need to get it right for our own future.... But hey thats just one Honest opinion from and Honest follower of England...
Tommy G Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 The best example to use is frank Lampard. As much of a tw@t I think he is, his club record is very good. however his england record of late has been terrible. This is because at chelsea he is surrounded by better, and more technical players to do all his dirty work for him. Chelsea play with a holding player eg makelele or essien/mikel and they do his defending for him. Makelele was up until a couple of seasons ago the best person in the world at doing that job. Playing for england means Lamps is no longer in his comfort zone and doesnt play as well. Its only his raw natural ability that just about gets him through. Foreign players are a lot better technically FACT. How boring would the prem be without them? I couldnt care less, as long as im watching decent footie each week. The national team is a shambles right now, and people are blaming foreigners for it? Ludacris in my opinion.
Maybes Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 The best example to use is frank Lampard. As much of a tw@t I think he is, his club record is very good. however his england record of late has been terrible. This is because at chelsea he is surrounded by better, and more technical players to do all his dirty work for him. Chelsea play with a holding player eg makelele or essien/mikel and they do his defending for him. Makelele was up until a couple of seasons ago the best person in the world at doing that job. Playing for england means Lamps is no longer in his comfort zone and doesnt play as well. Its only his raw natural ability that just about gets him through. Foreign players are a lot better technically FACT. How boring would the prem be without them? I couldnt care less, as long as im watching decent footie each week. The national team is a shambles right now, and people are blaming foreigners for it? Ludacris in my opinion. Foreign players shouldn't be blamed. The FA need to bring some sort of rule in that makes squad have a set amount of english players. However the current team we have got is very good, they just lack a master tactician at the helm, and a type of manager that gives a winning mentality and fills the team full of confidence ala mourinho
Jordan Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 The national team is a shambles right now, and people are blaming foreigners for it? Ludacris in my opinion. Forgive me if I'm a bit out of the international football and hip-hop loops, but I don't understand what effect a rapper from Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. can possibly have on the English national team... :shrug:
hairy Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 I blame the Tories. Its much more satisfying. You should try it. However I do think the number for foreign players should be restricted so English players get the experience at Premiership level. Having said that we must ask ourselves:- 1) Are Europeans 'foreign'. We are all Europeans and it would go against EU Law to limit them 2) Are the Scots, Welsh and Irish foreign. They have their own national teams but are British 3) If a team had to field so many English players then the cost of English players would rocket at all levels With that in mind I think it is completely unworkable and may have been recently brought to the fore again as a smoke screen for Englands performances against ever improving national teams.
Joe. Posted 15 November 2007 Posted 15 November 2007 Well I do think foreigners play their part in it to be honest. Obviously it's not their fault, but if we carry on the way we're going then England don't have a bright future at international level unfortunately. It's true that in general, teams abroad do have better youth setups than the ones we have here in England. I'm sure if you looked in our youth setups there would be a vast number of foreigners playing, therefore forcing more competition for our English youngsters to break into an eventual first team. Just take our England Under 21's for example. When you have Richard Stearman and Joe Mattock being called up, to me that sounds like desperation. No way are these two good enough for future England sides.
Head Honcho Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 English players are overpriced and the pound is very strong against the euro. Can you really blame clubs for wanting to bring in foreigners and get more for their money? I doubt that the strength of the pound would influence a club when buying a player and apart from that the Pound is not strong against the Euro! Where did you get that from?
James. Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 I doubt that the strength of the pound would influence a club when buying a player and apart from that the Pound is not strong against the Euro! Where did you get that from? Indeed. It's actually the weakest it has been since May 2003.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 Indeed. It's actually the weakest it has been since May 2003. Bastard Euro, i'm off to Spain in May, the Euro must be destroyed if not weakened!!
Floating Fox Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 Its nothing to do with foreign players! Look at the world Champions! Italy have just as diverse top flight as we do & they're doing fine. I personally don't blame the youth setup as it's actually very good but more the attitude of younger players who are happy to sit on the bench/Reserves for the good team and be paid $$$$$ than maybe drop a level or go to a country where they could prove themselves such as Holland and only get paid '$'. Once they have done well at that level they should build themselves back upto the top level, but you just don't see it happening. It's more do to with that than anything. I can't see how people can blame the manager (Obv East target) because we've had more than a fairshare of managers in the past 50 Years all who have failed to get us back the World Cup so you have to look further than Mr.Mclaren.
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 Its nothing to do with foreign players!Look at the world Champions! Italy have just as diverse top flight as we do & they're doing fine. I personally don't blame the youth setup as it's actually very good but more the attitude of younger players who are happy to sit on the bench/Reserves for the good team and be paid $$$$$ than maybe drop a level or go to a country where they could prove themselves such as Holland and only get paid '$'. Once they have done well at that level they should build themselves back upto the top level, but you just don't see it happening. It's more do to with that than anything. I can't see how people can blame the manager (Obv East target) because we've had more than a fairshare of managers in the past 50 Years all who have failed to get us back the World Cup so you have to look further than Mr.Mclaren. I think thats Irelevent but I would heavily diagree with that statement.
Floating Fox Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 I think thats Irelevent but I would heavily diagree with that statement. Well I suppose they're not doing fine, but they won the world cup! I don't think it's got anything to do with the foreign players though I could use Greece as my example....
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 Well I suppose they're not doing fine, but they won the world cup!I don't think it's got anything to do with the foreign players though I could use Greece as my example.... It's not the doing fine thing I was reffering to, it was the diversity of Serie A, most Serie A squads are made up prodominatley of Italian players. Only the bigger teams (top 4 or 5) have loads of foriegn players, even then it's nothing compared to our top 4. EDIT: Udinese as well probabley they import quite a few South American players, although they still have more Italians in their side than the average Premier League team has English players.
Floating Fox Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 It's not the doing fine thing I was reffering to, it was the diversity of Serie A, most Serie A squads are made up prodominatley of Italian players. Only the bigger teams (top 4 or 5) have loads of foriegn players, even then it's nothing compared to our top 4.EDIT: Udinese as well probabley they import quite a few South American players, although they still have more Italians in their side than the average Premier League team has English players. There is a source somewhere that tells you the percentage of foreign players. I will dig it out when I get back home later. You might be surprised
Manwell Pablo Posted 16 November 2007 Posted 16 November 2007 There is a source somewhere that tells you the percentage of foreign players. I will dig it out when I get back home later.You might be surprised Well I had a quick look to see if I could find what your on about and I've found this. http://soccer-europe.com/Data/Players/ForeignPlayers.html Out of Europes top six leagues the forieng players percentage for Serie A =30% (Lowest, even lower than France and Holland) Prem = 59% (Highest) As I said (and is shown there) the top 4 have got quite a few forigen players but lower down the league it's all Italian. One of these days people will stop arguing with me and just accept I'm right
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