OriginalRobboFOX Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 He seems to be at the end of every England disaster. Whilst we are sacking McClaren get rid of this fat tw*t as well....
MC Prussian Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 "The next England manager will be... Peter Taylor - and I firmly stand by that decision. He's number one on my wishlist!!!"
purpleronnie Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Barwick is a football man and didn't want McClaren its the wankers around him that voted in McClaren. I believe Barwick should pick the manager if he had that power we probably wouldn't be in the mess we fing ourselves. Get your facts right.
Kilworthfox Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 I don't have anything spicific to complain to Barwick about regarding our failure to qualify. Its was McLaren who was in charge of the side and the players who did not perform to their potential. I have an issue with the F.A Panel There is a deep rooted problem there, that is that they never pick the right manager. Even when they seem to have a good one in they get rid! I remember when they wanted rid of Robson before 90 and they did not wish to keep Venables after 96. McLaren was an easy option, but the wrong choice and most knew it. O'Neill or Allardyce were much better candidates than a man who had underachieved at Middlesborough.
Mack Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Barwick employed McClaren... McClaren was a joke.... Barwick should go. He had sole responsibility for putting the names on the table for the Coach's job, he has again... lord help us.
Daggers Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 It is not "Barwick" and to narrow this issue to one man is ignorant. The FA consists of a panel of vested interests that acts in the interests of their clubs. Those not fighting for their clubs, those from the amateur game have all the accumen of the Foxes Trust. The entire Football Association needs to be restructured for the benefit of the national game.
Simi Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 It is not "Barwick" and to narrow this issue to one man is ignorant.The FA consists of a panel of vested interests that acts in the interests of their clubs. Those not fighting for their clubs, those from the amateur game have all the accumen of the Foxes Trust. The entire Football Association needs to be restructured for the benefit of the national game. You're right. Manchester United Cheif Exec is on the board, David Dein has been. All these people have the best interests of the club at hearts. Probably one of the reasons that Arsene Wenger has never been considered. The whole thing needs redoing, people that care about professional football and are not afraid to upset a few of the 'big men' at the big clubs.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 22 November 2007 Author Posted 22 November 2007 It is not "Barwick" and to narrow this issue to one man is ignorant.The FA consists of a panel of vested interests that acts in the interests of their clubs. Those not fighting for their clubs, those from the amateur game have all the accumen of the Foxes Trust. The entire Football Association needs to be restructured for the benefit of the national game. I would agree with that. However, Barwick is the face of it all. The FA this very morning admitted that they will be working from Barwicks shortlist.
Daggers Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 You're right.. I know. I would agree with that. However, Barwick is the face of it all. The FA this very morning admitted that they will be working from Barwicks shortlist. Without question - but the will to accept blame and change within the FA is not there. Historically, the organisation lumbers along like a private members club full of back-slaps and secret hand shakes. It is corrupt and inept but, most importantly, wholly detatched from the public. The nearest your opinion gets is through the regional Amateur FA associations - and the people running them are a bunch of clueless cnuts.
Master Fox Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 They've done a mighty fine job! The more I think about it the better it is. No more crappy flags on cars, no more people wearing England kits all summer stinking of BO and stale piss, no more drunken fat slags wandering the streets shouting ‘I want cock, now!!’ after each game, no more ‘there were 12 German bombers’, no more JJB England themed promotional adverts, no more people trying to get you to go to Austria for ‘the euros’ cos it would be a ‘right laugh’ for the cost of a two week holiday in the Caribbean. Thank you FA, thank you Steve. But now all you have to put up with is ‘It’s going to be a rubbish summer without England in the euros’ and ‘if England were there they’d have won it’
Daggers Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 But now all you have to put up with is ‘It’s going to be a rubbish summer without England in the euros’ and ‘if England were there they’d have won it’ People will want to forget about football after being thumped 3-1 by Wales and losing to Scotland by a seven goal margin.
Sparky Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 I know. Without question - but the will to accept blame and change within the FA is not there. Historically, the organisation lumbers along like a private members club full of back-slaps and secret hand shakes. It is corrupt and inept but, most importantly, wholly detatched from the public. The nearest your opinion gets is through the regional Amateur FA associations - and the people running them are a bunch of clueless cnuts. how do you know this ? i agree entirely after many dealings with the county FA myself , just wondered how you knew that ?
Daggers Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 how do you know this ? i agree entirely after many dealings with the county FA myself , just wondered how you knew that ? Forty years-worth of experience mate. Forty-years worth of dealing with idiots like this who have a misguided opinion of their own abilities and never have to be held accountable due to the lack of desire of those around them to do anything pro-active. Do you know how McClaren got his job - it was voted on. The two amateur reps quote shortly before voting was (we) "don't know much about Steve but he seems a nice chap". As I say, all the ability of a Foxes Trust.
Sparky Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Forty years-worth of experience mate.Forty-years worth of dealing with idiots like this who have a misguided opinion of their own abilities and never have to be held accountable due to the lack of desire of those around them to do anything pro-active. Do you know how McClaren got his job - it was voted on. The two amateur reps quote shortly before voting was (we) "don't know much about Steve but he seems a nice chap". As I say, all the ability of a Foxes Trust. fook sake , mike basset all over again
Raj Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 The FA.... Bunch of old gits,most have had no experience of football at the highest level. Lest get this right...Barwick chose McClaren as the England Manager who failed miserably. Who is is going to choose the NEXT England Manager??? Yes you got it.....Brian Barwick and his fcuking cronies at the FA... Its a joke and a shambles. Surely they have to all go...BUT Who has the ability to sack them??? This is the one chance for the whole structure of English Football to change for the better...Will it??? Will it fcuk.. Will the FA Get the right manager next time??? Will they fcuk. Will anyone at the FA resign?/ Will they fcuk.... And McClaren fails in his job and walks away with £1 million in compensation.. The players fail to qualify and also get £200k as a gesture... Yeah nice one!!! :clap:
The Stig Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 Barwick needs to take an even proportion of the blame. He appointed Mclaren who was abviously the wrong choice. He has to go aswell.
The People's Hero Posted 22 November 2007 Posted 22 November 2007 It is not "Barwick" and to narrow this issue to one man is ignorant.The FA consists of a panel of vested interests that acts in the interests of their clubs. Those not fighting for their clubs, those from the amateur game have all the accumen of the Foxes Trust. The entire Football Association needs to be restructured for the benefit of the national game. Will it happen though? Will it boll ocks.
davieG Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 Copied from the BBC website - Are there any excuses? Some mild ones maybe. McClaren had almost a third-choice back four out there, plus a second-choice front two. But I knew he'd go 4-5-1! I knew Lamps'd be back in. I knew the players, Englishmen with all the flexibility of polystyrene, would snap under the pressure of a new formation! You know what? I withdraw comments about too many foreigners in the Premier League. There's just too few Englishmen in Serie A and La Liga. Becks, unfit, ponderous and playing Mickey Mouse footie in the most artificial place on God's green earth, was the only bloke to deliver a geunine pass in the whole game (Croats aside). I'm not going to batter Carson. Robinson should have been replaced games ago, then the lad wouldn't have had to be given a Bonetti of a job to do on Wednesday night. As for Peter Crouch, well by gum, lad, you're the first name in the next squad. At half-time I felt, well, relieved. The wife's head is on me shoulder and she's saying: "So, can we go somewhere warm for our summer holidays now, then?" And I'm saying: "I still want to watch all the games, pet." And she's saying: "I know, but you won't mind those funny foreign commentators if there's no Brits involved." And suddenly I'm free! Free from the tyranny of supporting a bunch of pampered, overpaid plonkers who couldn't successfully make a pass at a speed-dating session for 40-year old virgins. But then comes the comeback, dammit. And we're back believing again, until the lad Petric, closely marked by the Ghosts of England Past but left alone by the clueless pillocks on the pitch, finishes it once and for all... We're off to Crete, apparently. Cos you know what, I don't really want to talk about the game. I want to talk about the academy of asses who arranged an extraordinary meeting on Thursday morning. Extraordinary is right. It's extraordinary how these blokes think they should still be in a position to sack someone else. If McClaren can be fired (from a cannon, preferably) for putting the wrong personnel in the wrong places, then how come Barwick's still got his ample backside wedged into a swivel-chair? 'FA' just about sums up what these blokes know about football. The 2006 World Cup effort was dismal, so you select a bloke who was intimately associated with it to carry on. He's a pleasant, feeble coach and Barwick says he was always his number one. Right, Bri, that'll explain why you were shuffling around Portugal after Big Phil like some spotty teenager after a holiday romance. But it's worse than that, isn't it? Wembley stadium was a pretty good allegory for the FA. A sodden mudbath of self-interest, ploughed up by money-spinning and downright bloody pointless flirtations with American football. To still see gridiron markings on the surface of our national game just indicates how important football is next to the cash-wallpapered offices of the FA. The friendly versus Austria, too. Why? Ridiculous. The arrogance of these people beggars belief. McClaren has said he takes responsibility for the failure (yeah and 2.5 million quid! Do we have to make failure such an attractive option?) And so the search begins for a successor and we've got the same people looking. The people who missed O'Neill and hacked off Scolari, and who haplessly played ringmaster to a disastrous media circus. A new manager'll be harder to find than Steve Harmison's boots. Mourinho's your man and maybe he's perverse enough to take it on. But enough of the (g)olden generation. There are young players who, given time, a good coach, and the permission of an absurdly deluded press pack, might be the future of the national team. Agbonlahor, Walcott, Young, Richards, Foster... If we don't get to the finals in South Africa, so bloody what? Give 'em a chance. But please, please, please can the current FA FO?
Simi Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 Anybody see the guy on Sky Sports News this morning? He used to be a professional footballer, his name escapes me now. But basicallly he laid into the FA saying that they only care about the top tier in football and that they will never properly address the grass roots situation correctly. He thinks that kids should be out in the streets always kicking balls about etc and practicing until they get it right, the attitude that Brazil etc all have, because they have nothing better to do. After he'd said all that, rightly, a lot of people emailed in saying that's impossible because if you're seen out kicking a ball today you're labeled a chav and would probably end up with an asbo. It is true though, you go to almost any estate it says "No Ball Games" The problem stems from much more than just grass roots football, it's the culture we now live in.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 Copied from the BBC website - Are there any excuses? Some mild ones maybe. McClaren had almost a third-choice back four out there, plus a second-choice front two. But I knew he'd go 4-5-1! I knew Lamps'd be back in. I knew the players, Englishmen with all the flexibility of polystyrene, would snap under the pressure of a new formation! You know what? I withdraw comments about too many foreigners in the Premier League. There's just too few Englishmen in Serie A and La Liga. Becks, unfit, ponderous and playing Mickey Mouse footie in the most artificial place on God's green earth, was the only bloke to deliver a geunine pass in the whole game (Croats aside). I'm not going to batter Carson. Robinson should have been replaced games ago, then the lad wouldn't have had to be given a Bonetti of a job to do on Wednesday night. As for Peter Crouch, well by gum, lad, you're the first name in the next squad. At half-time I felt, well, relieved. The wife's head is on me shoulder and she's saying: "So, can we go somewhere warm for our summer holidays now, then?" And I'm saying: "I still want to watch all the games, pet." And she's saying: "I know, but you won't mind those funny foreign commentators if there's no Brits involved." And suddenly I'm free! Free from the tyranny of supporting a bunch of pampered, overpaid plonkers who couldn't successfully make a pass at a speed-dating session for 40-year old virgins. But then comes the comeback, dammit. And we're back believing again, until the lad Petric, closely marked by the Ghosts of England Past but left alone by the clueless pillocks on the pitch, finishes it once and for all... We're off to Crete, apparently. Cos you know what, I don't really want to talk about the game. I want to talk about the academy of asses who arranged an extraordinary meeting on Thursday morning. Extraordinary is right. It's extraordinary how these blokes think they should still be in a position to sack someone else. If McClaren can be fired (from a cannon, preferably) for putting the wrong personnel in the wrong places, then how come Barwick's still got his ample backside wedged into a swivel-chair? 'FA' just about sums up what these blokes know about football. The 2006 World Cup effort was dismal, so you select a bloke who was intimately associated with it to carry on. He's a pleasant, feeble coach and Barwick says he was always his number one. Right, Bri, that'll explain why you were shuffling around Portugal after Big Phil like some spotty teenager after a holiday romance. But it's worse than that, isn't it? Wembley stadium was a pretty good allegory for the FA. A sodden mudbath of self-interest, ploughed up by money-spinning and downright bloody pointless flirtations with American football. To still see gridiron markings on the surface of our national game just indicates how important football is next to the cash-wallpapered offices of the FA. The friendly versus Austria, too. Why? Ridiculous. The arrogance of these people beggars belief. McClaren has said he takes responsibility for the failure (yeah and 2.5 million quid! Do we have to make failure such an attractive option?) And so the search begins for a successor and we've got the same people looking. The people who missed O'Neill and hacked off Scolari, and who haplessly played ringmaster to a disastrous media circus. A new manager'll be harder to find than Steve Harmison's boots. Mourinho's your man and maybe he's perverse enough to take it on. But enough of the (g)olden generation. There are young players who, given time, a good coach, and the permission of an absurdly deluded press pack, might be the future of the national team. Agbonlahor, Walcott, Young, Richards, Foster... If we don't get to the finals in South Africa, so bloody what? Give 'em a chance. But please, please, please can the current FA FO? In parts thats an excellent article.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 Anybody see the guy on Sky Sports News this morning? He used to be a professional footballer, his name escapes me now. But basicallly he laid into the FA saying that they only care about the top tier in football and that they will never properly address the grass roots situation correctly. He thinks that kids should be out in the streets always kicking balls about etc and practicing until they get it right, the attitude that Brazil etc all have, because they have nothing better to do.After he'd said all that, rightly, a lot of people emailed in saying that's impossible because if you're seen out kicking a ball today you're labeled a chav and would probably end up with an asbo. It is true though, you go to almost any estate it says "No Ball Games" The problem stems from much more than just grass roots football, it's the culture we now live in. It was Craig Johnston, wasn't it? I only saw a bit of it, but what I saw was pretty good - he talked sense. He was going on about the cultural problems in the lower levels of football which a lot of people have commented on before. Kids in the UK play too many competitive games with their parents screaming at them from the touchline, and don't spend enough time on technique, unlike our European cousins. I think he's right. You only have to look at players like our Elvis - I don't know how long he'd been at Fulham for, but you've got a young player signed from a PREMIER LEAGUE team's reserves, and the main problem I can see with his game is that he cannot control a ball to save his life. You'd have thought that at some stage this basic requirement of being a footballer of any standard would have been identified as an area that he was a bit deficient in, and he would have had to work on it until he was bloody brilliant at it, and this would have happened by the time he was about 11. The hours have clearly never been put in though, have they? I don't think the influx of foreign players is inhibiting the England team...English players don't get into Premier League sides because they're not good enough. I doubt if the foreigners disappeared our players would suddenly become brilliant. The standard in the Premier League would drop and the England team would be as crap as ever. The FA MIGHT then start investing a bit more in the grass roots, but how long would that take to bear fruit? Ages
davieG Posted 23 November 2007 Posted 23 November 2007 This is the FA that spent so much money on an over-hyped Corporate Wembley (£800 mill) that they didn't have enough to finish the National Football Academy at Burton. From the BBC (October 2007) England coach Steve McClaren has thrown his backing behind the controversial National Football Centre. The £50m project in Burton-upon-Trent has been on hold for 12 months and its fate is to be decided in December. But McClaren said: "Even smaller countries like Austria and Denmark are talking about their centres of excellence. It is incredible. "We need to be the best in the world and having a centre of excellence would help. Ultimately, we need it." The National Football Centre was the brainchild of former Football Association technical director Howard Wilkinson, but its implementation has been dogged by problems. Critics claim the concept is a waste of money and question the site, which has poor transport links. Pitches have already been laid at Burton but construction work on the outbuildings and dressing rooms is yet to begin and the FA is about to launch a two-month consultation process which will determine the future direction of the project. Sometimes you have to bury the money and admit it has not worked out FA chief Brian Barwick McClaren feels a national centre is a necessity if England are to compete with the rest of the footballing world. He added: "We have a home where we play at Wembley but we need one for all the administration and all the coaches because at the moment, the coaches are here, there and everywhere. "We are also in desperate need of a centre for medical development because the biggest advances in football over the last 10 years have been in medical and sports science. We need to be at the forefront of that." The FA's head of football development Sir Trevor Brooking is also a passionate supporter of the scheme and feels England are already falling behind their competitors. He said: "We need a hub where we can pull everything together. "The governing body needs a vision of what it is going to achieve. We need a consistent, co-ordinated approach, which lots of countries have got and we don't." 606: DEBATE FA chief executive Brian Barwick promised a decision would be made on the project before the end of the year. "We get the fact people seem to want it," he said. "We just have to bottom out the finances. "At the moment, we have a fantastic set of pitches and two sheds but not much else. "We have already spent a lot of money on this project but sometimes you have to bury the money and admit it has not worked out. "We still believe we should give it every chance but the next two months will be very significant. There will be a decision by the FA board in December. I guarantee that.
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