Nick Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Anybody watching the news, fire extinguishers, Tibet protests, torch surrounded by police............. I hope the flame goes out. Holding an Olympics which should stand for equality and fair play and competition in such a country where there is none is disgraceful. N.
Manwell Pablo Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Anybody watching the news, fire extinguishers, Tibet protests, torch surrounded by police.............I hope the flame goes out. Holding an Olympics which should stand for equality and fair play and competition in such a country where there is none is disgraceful. N. They should of got Ronnie O'Sulivan to carry the torch for a leg, would of been a chuckle. Any one wanne give me a nosh?
Nick Posted 6 April 2008 Author Posted 6 April 2008 They should of got Ronnie O'Sulivan to carry the torch for a leg, would of been a chuckle. Any one wanne give me a nosh? OK then, inappropriate torch carriers: Ronnie O'Sullivan, Linford Christie, Heather Mcartney........
Uncle Monty Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 violence on the streets of humberside............
purpleronnie Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Handbag stuff. What the F**k isTim Henman & Trevor McDonald carrying the torch for? Is that the best we can do?
Nick Posted 6 April 2008 Author Posted 6 April 2008 Handbag stuff.What the F**k isTim Henman & Trevor McDonald carrying the torch for? Is that the best we can do? Trevor McDonald won the Hammer for Trinidad and Tobago in the 1956 Olympics in Rome Italy. Tim Henman was chosen to carry the torch as he would be able to fight off protesters with both hands. (the torch can be balanced on the silver spoon protruding from his ass) N.
the_bowman Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Handbag stuff.What the F**k isTim Henman & Trevor McDonald carrying the torch for? Is that the best we can do? Just behind Theo Walcott
Uncle Albert Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 We have some brilliant sporting heroes in England and we use Tim Henman and Theo Walcott. Laughable.
Jon the Hat Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 The real question here is not one of Sport. Or of equality. Or oppression. The real question is why was the bird off Blue Peter carrying the bloody thing?
Uncle Albert Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 The real question here is not one of Sport. Or of equality. Or oppression.The real question is why was the bird off Blue Peter carrying the bloody thing? Is it the blonde one? Turned off now.
Bryn Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 violence on the streets of humberside............ Eh? And no-one had better be dissing the Konnie Huq. She hot.
General Smuts Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Could life ever be sane again? Sorry just wondering to myself
isaidno Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Aren't the Sugababes & Denise Van Outen carrying it ?
davieG Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 The real question here is not one of Sport. Or of equality. Or oppression.The real question is why was the bird off Blue Peter carrying the bloody thing? She has big tits and is known to be sporty type allegedly. The Olympics should die an natuaral death all records expunged and be reborn with a limited number of basic individual sports, no team events and genuine amateurs and take place at a permanent site on a remote Greek Island.
Thracian Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Trevor McDonald won the Hammer for Trinidad and Tobago in the 1956 Olympics in Rome Italy.Tim Henman was chosen to carry the torch as he would be able to fight off protesters with both hands. (the torch can be balanced on the silver spoon protruding from his ass) N. What are you - another bitter and misguided class warrior?
Head Honcho Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Anybody watching the news, fire extinguishers, Tibet protests, torch surrounded by police.............I hope the flame goes out. Holding an Olympics which should stand for equality and fair play and competition in such a country where there is none is disgraceful. N. Yeh it's a real mystery to me why Russia, USA and Australia with their enviable human rights records aren't condemning the Olympics
Thracian Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 Anybody watching the news, fire extinguishers, Tibet protests, torch surrounded by police.............I hope the flame goes out. Holding an Olympics which should stand for equality and fair play and competition in such a country where there is none is disgraceful. N. So what do you do instead, while still holding the Olympic movement together? Hold the games in a country that demonstrably stands for fair play and equality and, of course, ban all countries who don't from competing? Besides where would opportunist protestors be without things like torch carrying to put their message in front of the world's media? Many countries of the world have difficult internal and external problems - I don't see much right for England and the US to have killed non-combatants and flattened areas of Afghanistan and Iraq on the back of some pretence about WMD - nor any excuse for the actions of the terrorists and ideologists they're fighting. But the Olympic movement can potentially do so much good, using sport, to forge friendships, to get people understanding one another and to further a better way for the world. I don't see how that ideal will be better achieved by being judgemental and leaving people isolated. Don't forget the Germans were allowed to hold the Olympics in Berlin in 1936, conveniently using it as a massive propaganda exercise for the Nazi Party. At what point does a country become unacceptable and what would the consequences be of humiliating such a country? I seriously doubt there would be much gained. Reactionaries are one thing but give me tact, and diplomacy anytime in trying to improve sensitive questions. The Northern Ireland ceasefire was achieved by talking, not by idealistic gestures, not by force, not by being judgemental and not by humiliating anyone.
Nick Posted 6 April 2008 Author Posted 6 April 2008 What are you - another bitter and misguided class warrior? Is there nowhere safe from you spoiling for a fight? I have to admire you though, you are very determined today. I'm gonna be scared to post soon if you don't stop this cyber-harassment, I may phone the Samaritans, you are affecting my mental health with your total and utter ineptitude of not being able to cope with a small amount of idiosyncratic postings. It's a satirical throw away comment based on tennis as a sport being dominated by privileged people with different life opportunities to others, as is rugby etc.... I know you have sense of humour as one of your favourite records is "Meatloaf." (- See look there's another one ...smile and breathe, smile and breathe..... repeat until calm) Chill out Thracian, you'll make yourself ill and you are simply no good in an argument, so why start another one? All my love, the Thracian labelled, "narrow minded and nasty individual" named Nick.
Nick Posted 6 April 2008 Author Posted 6 April 2008 Yeh it's a real mystery to me why Russia, USA and Australia with their enviable human rights records aren't condemning the Olympics Yeah fair point, I was in China a few months ago and the level of poverty and the way the military / police are on the streets is scary, everything seems just below boiling point all the time. I am in complete agreement about the human rights records of other nations, however the amount of indoctrination and censorship is so heightened there in comparison it scares me. It's a bit like having it in Zimbabwe........ I'm just not keen.
Nick Posted 6 April 2008 Author Posted 6 April 2008 So what do you do instead, while still holding the Olympic movement together? Hold the games in a country that demonstrably stands for fair play and equality and, of course, ban all countries who don't from competing? Besides where would opportunist protestors be without things like torch carrying to put their message in front of the world's media? Many countries of the world have difficult internal and external problems - I don't see much right for England and the US to have killed non-combatants and flattened areas of Afghanistan and Iraq on the back of some pretence about WMD - nor any excuse for the actions of the terrorists and ideologists they're fighting. But the Olympic movement can potentially do so much good, using sport, to forge friendships, to get people understanding one another and to further a better way for the world. I don't see how that ideal will be better achieved by being judgemental and leaving people isolated. Don't forget the Germans were allowed to hold the Olympics in Berlin in 1936, conveniently using it as a massive propaganda exercise for the Nazi Party. At what point does a country become unacceptable and what would the consequences be of humiliating such a country? I seriously doubt there would be much gained. Reactionaries are one thing but give me tact, and diplomacy anytime in trying to improve sensitive questions. The Northern Ireland ceasefire was achieved by talking, not by idealistic gestures, not by force, not by being judgemental and not by humiliating anyone. I agree with much of that Thracian, but had you been there a few months ago as I was I think you'de feel differently. The Olympics is a symbol and politically a huge economic money spinner. If the exploited children working 6 days a week at 11 yrs old in health ruining conditions for less than a fiver a week were going to benefit directly from the games in china then great but as the symbol of hope and equality will pass them by it just infuriates me that while the living conditions of the masses are so harsh and the actions of the military performing street abortions so rife in an attempt to control the population, I don't want to support the Olympics in that country. Nor do I condone the actions of western foreign policy either, it's just on such a huge scale in China effecting such a majority of people. N.
Ultra Posted 6 April 2008 Posted 6 April 2008 The point is that the exploitation of children and various other human rights abuses would be happening in China whether the Olympics were being held there or not. I heard an interview with Duncan Goodhew on Radio Five Live last week. He defended his right to carry the Olympic torch, as he saw it as the symbol of an ideal which transcends all nations. He also suggested that the friendships and social networks that were made during the 1980 Moscow Olympics (despite the boycott by the US and others) might have been a factor in the demise of the Soviet Union a decade or so later. That's a point that maybe should be explored further. China's hosting of the Olympics may actually strengthen the forces for reform, rather than weaken them. I suspect that's what the IOC (or at least its big business sugar daddies) had in mind when awarding the Games to Beijing in the first place..
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