Ollie Out!

[Karljohn]

I do not post on here very often, but felt I had to comment on Hollohead.

I know quite a few QPR fans who assure me that he's a complete muppet, and that he's a media obsessed whore and a sunday league manager at best.

Personally as a supporter for over 25 years I don't see how he can take us forward..it's easy to say we'll rinse it next season but we need to get some quality into the team, I think the bloke has lost all respect and we need some new inspiration. Chopping and changing has done much arm but "judge me on my own team" he said....its a new experience in league 1 and we need some inspiration.

For a start you cannot build teams with loan players, he replaced hayes, with lazsko, then lazsko with etuhu...brought in bori, then dropped him for oakley and lee "i'll kiss the shirt for a contract" hendrie. Hayles looks like a poor mans trevor benjamin! and howard - well he reminded me of Iwan Roberts when Iwan was having a bad day...he certainly had the same level of laziness as mike newell portrayed in a city shirt and is arguably the worst signing we have ever made.

Add to that the obvious lack of pace and we have the recipe for disaster. . . teams have already figured out the one style of play that we have and are ready to come and take points again next season.

The final nail in the coffin for me was the signing of david bell, a bloke already used to getting hammered every week with Luton! hardly an inspired move...relegated twice!

I personally hope he's picking up the P45 this week, no doubt he'll have some hollowayism to share with us all upon receipt of it.

[Daggers]

The final nail in the coffin for me was the signing of david bell, a bloke already used to getting hammered every week with Luton! hardly an inspired move...relegated twice!

You mean the David Bell who has been doing a decent job on the wing?

I believe Carlos Tevez was used to losing week in week out when he was at West Ham - I hardly see how that is a determinant as to a players effectiveness. I'm obviously not trying to say that Bell is as good as Tevez before someone misinterprets what I have just written. Bell has done a decent job for us and was a vast improvement on any alternative.

[Corky]

I do not post on here very often, but felt I had to comment on Hollohead.

I know quite a few QPR fans who assure me that he's a complete muppet, and that he's a media obsessed whore and a sunday league manager at best.

Personally as a supporter for over 25 years I don't see how he can take us forward..it's easy to say we'll rinse it next season but we need to get some quality into the team, I think the bloke has lost all respect and we need some new inspiration. Chopping and changing has done much arm but "judge me on my own team" he said....its a new experience in league 1 and we need some inspiration.

For a start you cannot build teams with loan players, he replaced hayes, with lazsko, then lazsko with etuhu...brought in bori, then dropped him for oakley and lee "i'll kiss the shirt for a contract" hendrie. Hayles looks like a poor mans trevor benjamin! and howard - well he reminded me of Iwan Roberts when Iwan was having a bad day...he certainly had the same level of laziness as mike newell portrayed in a city shirt and is arguably the worst signing we have ever made.

Add to that the obvious lack of pace and we have the recipe for disaster. . . teams have already figured out the one style of play that we have and are ready to come and take points again next season.

The final nail in the coffin for me was the signing of david bell, a bloke already used to getting hammered every week with Luton! hardly an inspired move...relegated twice!

I personally hope he's picking up the P45 this week, no doubt he'll have some hollowayism to share with us all upon receipt of it.

That's not fair. Bell has done well for us, and looks more than capable of doing well in League 1 next year.

[Thracian]

That's not fair. Bell has done well for us, and looks more than capable of doing well in League 1 next year.

Bell was alright. Showed some excellent close control and put the ball in the box far more than we were used to but he very rarely threatened a goal himself and showed nothing like Gradel's charisma, cheekiness, willingness to shoot or potential to change any game.

City have had such a succession of rank poor wingers that Bell was a big relief. But we're too easy to applaud new players at City and it is still ironic that had we simply kept and shown faith in Gradel from the start, we would certainly have scored more, created more and would quite possibly have survived.

I just hope when the new season starts Gradel has a team to play him and a manager to play for which will both do him justice.

I seriously doubt it will happen, especially as a strong quorum of our otherwise wonderful fans are as cautious and therefore unambitious as our manager, but hope does spring eternal.

Just watched United win the League though and witnessed the proof of what commitment to attack and scoring goals can really mean. What is it? Ten titles. And still the message struggles to get through.

[C-man]

Just watched United win the League though. and witnessed the proof of what commitment to attack and scoring goals can really mean. What is it? Ten titles. And still the message struggles to get through.

Built on strong defence though. If they didn't have such a strong and inpenetrable defence they probably wouldn't have won the league this year.

[Ultra]

The defence was a significant factor.

But having the best attack in the league also helped. It meant their goal difference was far superior to Chelsea's and gave them the edge for today's games.

[Thracian]

Built on strong defence though. If they didn't have such a strong and inpenetrable defence they probably wouldn't have won the league this year.

But look where their defenders go. Evra, Brown, even the centre-backs on occasions are forever foraging forward and relishing the chance to support attacks.

Do you somehow think I'd advocate doing without defenders.

So often United's defence is impenetrable because the ball is at the other end and those defendeers you mention are help[ing to keep it there.

[l444ry]

Manchester Utd. have just bought the league..........again. They should never be used as a team to emulate or compared with. The defenders alone must have cost 30 million plus. Only Chelsea can get anywhere near them on those terms - and so it was.

[Ultra]

All of their outfield players also know how to pass and keep the ball.

The opposition isn't likely to score too often if it hasn't got the ball (unless Frank Sinclair is playing..)

[Karljohn]

That's not fair. Bell has done well for us, and looks more than capable of doing well in League 1 next year.

I didnt say that Bell was a half decent player, my point was the lad came from a losing team....battered every week...bringing him in for a relegation fight wasnt a great idea IMO - we might as well have stuck with laszko or etuhu, but then they were another couple of flops, just like his frontline. Holloway is a tool.

[Ultra]

Bell was alright. Showed some excellent close control and put the ball in the box far more than we were used to but he very rarely threatened a goal himself and showed nothing like Gradel's charisma, cheekiness, willingness to shoot or potential to change any game.

City have had such a succession of rank poor wingers that Bell was a big relief. But we're too easy to applaud new players at City and it is still ironic that had we simply kept and shown faith in Gradel from the start, we would certainly have scored more, created more and would quite possible have survived.

I just when the new season starts Gradel has a team to play him and a manager to play for which will both do him justice.

I seriously doubt it will happen, especially as a strong quorum of our otherwise wonderful fans are as cautious and therefore unambitious as our manager, but hope does spring eternal.

Just watched United win the League though. and witnessed the proof of what commitment to attack and scoring goals can really mean. What is it? Ten titles. And still the message struggles to get through.

The chance of seeing Gradel on a regular basis is probably the only conceivable reason for buying a season ticket right now.

With quality management, he could take this league by storm, and bring back joy to the Way!

[Legend_in_blue]

I didnt say that Bell was a half decent player, my point was the lad came from a losing team....battered every week...bringing him in for a relegation fight wasnt a great idea IMO - we might as well have stuck with laszko or etuhu, but then they were another couple of flops, just like his frontline. Holloway is a tool.

To be fair to Holloway, he was operating within a very restricted transfer market from which he could bring any in 'potential quality' to the squad.

Who in their right mind, of any quality, would have wanted to come into our club when faced with our plight at that time?

He did his best under the circumstances, but ultimately, the players let him down. Looking back, you could argue the season was lost before he came in. We dropped countless points under Megson and his ultra defensive attitude. Even under Allen we looked dodgy - Weso on the wing?

Bottom line is we didn't have the players in positions that they were required and Holloway was unable to change this due to the limited availability of any quality in the transfer window.

[l444ry]

To be fair to Holloway, he was operating within a very restricted transfer market from which he could bring any in 'potential quality' to the squad.

Who in their right mind, of any quality, would have wanted to come into our club when faced with our plight at that time?

He did his best under the circumstances, but ultimately, the players let him down. Looking back, you could argue the season was lost before he came in. We dropped countless points under Megson and his ultra defensive attitude. Even under Allen we looked dodgy - Weso on the wing?

Bottom line is we didn't have the players in positions that they were required and Holloway was unable to change this due to the limited availability of any quality in the transfer window.

People keep blaming Martin Allen. He was only at theclub for three games.

Blackpool: 0-1 but unfortunale considering the goal attempts.

Palace: 2-2 a last minute goal.

Watford: 4-1 say no more.

Also, to blame his "signings" is ridiculous because they would have been signed for his style of football. Just because the following managers failed to get anything out of them is hardly Allen's fault.

[teblin]

The chance of seeing Gradel on a regular basis is probably the only conceivable reason for buying a season ticket right now.

With quality management, he could take this league by storm, and bring back joy to the Way!

Now there is the issue! Will he get that?

[Ultra]

People keep blaming Martin Allen. He was only at theclub for three games.

Blackpool: 0-1 but unfortunate considering the goal attempts.

Palace: 2-2 a last minute goal.

Watford: 4-1 say no more.

Also, to blame his "signings" is ridiculous because they would have been signed for his style of football. Just because the following managers failed to get anything out of them is hardly Allen's fault.

Indeed.

And Allen never had full control over signings anyway.

[Thracian]

People keep blaming Martin Allen. He was only at theclub for three games.

Blackpool: 0-1 but unfortunale considering the goal attempts.

Palace: 2-2 a last minute goal.

Watford: 4-1 say no more.

Also, to blame his "signings" is ridiculous because they would have been signed for his style of football. Just because the following managers failed to get anything out of them is hardly Allen's fault.

No-one seems to know the full situation regarding Allen and there is no way of knowing how the club would have performed had he stayed.

What is known is that Holloway had ample chance and the resources to save the situation when he arrived yet he failed in every way that matters.

[The Stig]

No-one seems to know the full situation regarding Allen and there is no way of knowing how the club would team would have performed had he stayed.

What is known is that Holloway had ample chance and the resources to save the situation when he arrived yet he failed in every way that matters.

I don't think anyone can argue with that. Holloway messed it up. Simple as that. However, I think that stability may be what this club needs now.

[Scow]

No-one seems to know the full situation regarding Allen and there is no way of knowing how the club would team would have performed had he stayed.

What is known is that Holloway had ample chance and the resources to save the situation when he arrived yet he failed in every way that matters.

It's difficult to make a full assessment of Holloway without having a full season to preside over.

The January transfer window is not the ideal time to rebuild a side struggling against relegation - yes, he had money, but it's not as simple as that.

Holloway has made mistakes, tactics or signings, but this club has been a mess for a while. You can't expect a quick fix in a matter of couple of months when the existing players and club have been subjected to failure for a good time.

I think it might have been Ultra who mentioned that the likes of Coyne (Burnley) and Irvine (Preston) were able to lead their sides to better things (well, the latter anyway) but those sides have not been involved in five season's worth of relegation battles.

Holloway is the manager, so inevitably he has to take responsibility to an extent - but it's not as clear cut as some make out.

[Ultra]

It's difficult to make a full assessment of Holloway without having a full season to preside over.

The January transfer window is not the ideal time to rebuild a side struggling against relegation - yes, he had money, but it's not as simple as that.

Holloway has made mistakes, tactics or signings, but this club has been a mess for a while. You can't expect a quick fix in a matter of couple of months when the existing players and club have been subjected to failure for a good time.

I think it might have been Ultra who mentioned that the likes of Coyne (Burnley) and Irvine (Preston) were able to lead their sides to better things (well, the latter anyway) but those sides have not been involved in five season's worth of relegation battles.

Holloway is the manager, so inevitably he has to take responsibility to an extent - but it's not as clear cut as some make out.

Neither have many of the players. The longest-serving player is Richard Stearman who made his debut in 2004-05.

I've also mentioned Mandaric's history of relegation battles while at Pompey, but few seemed to take notice of that at the time.

[Scow]

Neither have many of the players. The longest-serving player is Richard Stearman who made his debut in 2004-05.

I've also mentioned Mandaric's history of relegation battles while at Pompey, but few seemed to take notice of that at the time.

It's not just the existing players though - I'm also referring to the turnover of players and managers we've experienced in that time as well.

I can't think of many successful clubs who have been through the changes we have in recent years.

[James.]

It's not just the existing players though - I'm also referring to the turnover of players and managers we've experienced in that time as well.

I can't think of many successful clubs who have been through the changes we have in recent years.

Many or any?

[Scow]

Many or any?

'Any' at the moment - but I've had a few to drink.

[James.]

'Any' at the moment - but I've had a few to drink.

Well I've not drank for the first time in about 2 weeks today and I can't think of any either.

It's an important point and adds weight to the Holloway-in argument.

[Thracian]

It's difficult to make a full assessment of Holloway without having a full season to preside over.

The January transfer window is not the ideal time to rebuild a side struggling against relegation - yes, he had money, but it's not as simple as that.

Holloway has made mistakes, tactics or signings, but this club has been a mess for a while. You can't expect a quick fix in a matter of couple of months when the existing players and club have been subjected to failure for a good time.

I think it might have been Ultra who mentioned that the likes of Coyne (Burnley) and Irvine (Preston) were able to lead their sides to better things (well, the latter anyway) but those sides have not been involved in five season's worth of relegation battles.

Holloway is the manager, so inevitably he has to take responsibility to an extent - but it's not as clear cut as some make out.

You don't need to convince me there are other factors. The list of them is long. But Holloway had well over 30 games to stamp his influence on this club and come up with some positive effect.

Few at the time sounded unhappy about his main signings, Howard, Oakley, Clapham, Hendrie and even Alnwick in particular but, even with his chosen material, he failed to get the right results.

Worst of all though, that failure was through an alarming number of reasons relating to Holloway's tactics, decision making

and highly debateable leadership.

[Raj]

2 words....JEAN TIGANA!!!

or Phil Scholari......or Sven....thats more than 2 words but whos counting!!