davieG Posted 26 June 2008 Posted 26 June 2008 I havent got proof, i dont go round recording my conversations but trust me someone i know is well in and when i say well in i mean it, and they said that without Madaric we would of gone bust.Its his money keeping us going No disrespect but the number of times people have posted on here claiming to be in the know and posting about the state of the club, upcoming transfers etc that provide contradictory statements and ones that prove to be total groundless ensure that I don't take what they say as gospel. On this particular issue there have been people, apparently equally in the know saying the opposite to you regarding the vulnerability of the club at that time.
lookwhaticando Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 No disrespect but the number of times people have posted on here claiming to be in the know and posting about the state of the club, upcoming transfers etc that provide contradictory statements and ones that prove to be total groundless ensure that I don't take what they say as gospel.On this particular issue there have been people, apparently equally in the know saying the opposite to you regarding the vulnerability of the club at that time. Who to believe... JoeyB or some other random pleb. That's a tough call. The pleb has more credibility by not being JoeyB, so I'm inclined to believe the pleb. God I love that word.
Rich Fox Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 No disrespect but the number of times people have posted on here claiming to be in the know and posting about the state of the club, upcoming transfers etc that provide contradictory statements and ones that prove to be total groundless ensure that I don't take what they say as gospel.On this particular issue there have been people, apparently equally in the know saying the opposite to you regarding the vulnerability of the club at that time. Davie G do you have proof we would have been better off without milan, do you have proof someone else was going to take over, we all know milan has made a mess of things but we would be in a mess without him because we WERE in a mess before he came, get real.
davieG Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 Davie G do you have proof we would have been better off without milan, do you have proof someone else was going to take over, we all know milan has made a mess of things but we would be in a mess without him because we WERE in a mess before he came, get real. No but then I never said I did then again, as I questioned above no one knows for sure what would have happened if Mandaric hadn't stepped in yet people insist the club was about to disappear off the face of the earth. Frankly the worse that could have happened was us going into administration virtually guaranteeing relegation but then we've been relegated anyway so hardly that worse off. The impact of Mandarics presumed investment is relegation and a load of players that no one appears to quick to want. It's interesting that the first exits are all pre-Mandaric players. We're left with a club that is as low as it's been, selling off the 'best' players and seemingly untouchable by any decent manager with a reputation for winning. We're now a club that lacks integrity and one that I'm no longer proud of. As for 'get real' that's exactly what I am I've not been seduced by the Mandaric £££s and his vacuous I love Leicester City out pourings. My eyes are wide open and I can clearly see that he has yet to deliver a single aspect of any of his so called promises, if and when he does I'll give him credit but until then he has done absolutely nothing to earn my respect. Until someone comes up with absolute proof of our status, good or bad prior to his take over then I'll continue to tread the middle ground.
Webbo Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 No but then I never said I did then again, as I questioned above no one knows for sure what would have happened if Mandaric hadn't stepped in yet people insist the club was about to disappear off the face of the earth.Frankly the worse that could have happened was us going into administration virtually guaranteeing relegation but then we've been relegated anyway so hardly that worse off. The impact of Mandarics presumed investment is relegation and a load of players that no one appears to quick to want. It's interesting that the first exits are all pre-Mandaric players. We're left with a club that is as low as it's been, selling off the 'best' players and seemingly untouchable by any decent manager with a reputation for winning. We're now a club that lacks integrity and one that I'm no longer proud of. As for 'get real' that's exactly what I am I've not been seduced by the Mandaric £££s and his vacuous I love Leicester City out pourings. My eyes are wide open and I can clearly see that he has yet to deliver a single aspect of any of his so called promises, if and when he does I'll give him credit but until then he has done absolutely nothing to earn my respect. Until someone comes up with absolute proof of our status, good or bad prior to his take over then I'll continue to tread the middle ground. Absolutely spot on.
Thracian Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 Davie G do you have proof we would have been better off without milan, do you have proof someone else was going to take over, we all know milan has made a mess of things but we would be in a mess without him because we WERE in a mess before he came, get real. I don't think there was any necessity for Leicester City to go broke had Mandaric not arrived. Indeed believeable comment was made to that effect by a director who resigned. No, it wasn't a rosy picture, but, yes, the finances were under control and adequate for at least the time being was the picture I got. Furthermore the old board could have cashed in assets like Stearman, Mattock (being courted by two top clubs even then to my knowledge) and Hume without having to pay off or pay for the likes of Rob Kelly, Martin Allen and Ian Holloway plus players like Nielsen, Kaebi, Ferreira, Djiziri, Kishishev, Cort and so on. Financially, I fail to see how Mandaric's money has benefitted the club. We've been relegated for a start. We've also sold three playing assets that the club could have sold before had they wished to or in an emergency. We've shed £4m of player assets (each at a profit) but what assets have we purchased or developed over and above those here before Mandaric came, that are now likely to show us a return? And how much has Mandaric paid to shareholders for the club itself thus far, seeing that City have gone down rather than up? "I do not like thee Dr Fell..." was what I wrote when MM first arrived and nothing has happened to make me modify that warning.
Corky Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 No but then I never said I did then again, as I questioned above no one knows for sure what would have happened if Mandaric hadn't stepped in yet people insist the club was about to disappear off the face of the earth.Frankly the worse that could have happened was us going into administration virtually guaranteeing relegation but then we've been relegated anyway so hardly that worse off. The impact of Mandarics presumed investment is relegation and a load of players that no one appears to quick to want. It's interesting that the first exits are all pre-Mandaric players. We're left with a club that is as low as it's been, selling off the 'best' players and seemingly untouchable by any decent manager with a reputation for winning. We're now a club that lacks integrity and one that I'm no longer proud of. As for 'get real' that's exactly what I am I've not been seduced by the Mandaric £££s and his vacuous I love Leicester City out pourings. My eyes are wide open and I can clearly see that he has yet to deliver a single aspect of any of his so called promises, if and when he does I'll give him credit but until then he has done absolutely nothing to earn my respect. Until someone comes up with absolute proof of our status, good or bad prior to his take over then I'll continue to tread the middle ground. Completely agree.
Rich Fox Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 No but then I never said I did then again, as I questioned above no one knows for sure what would have happened if Mandaric hadn't stepped in yet people insist the club was about to disappear off the face of the earth.Frankly the worse that could have happened was us going into administration virtually guaranteeing relegation but then we've been relegated anyway so hardly that worse off. The impact of Mandarics presumed investment is relegation and a load of players that no one appears to quick to want. It's interesting that the first exits are all pre-Mandaric players. We're left with a club that is as low as it's been, selling off the 'best' players and seemingly untouchable by any decent manager with a reputation for winning. We're now a club that lacks integrity and one that I'm no longer proud of. As for 'get real' that's exactly what I am I've not been seduced by the Mandaric £££s and his vacuous I love Leicester City out pourings. My eyes are wide open and I can clearly see that he has yet to deliver a single aspect of any of his so called promises, if and when he does I'll give him credit but until then he has done absolutely nothing to earn my respect. Until someone comes up with absolute proof of our status, good or bad prior to his take over then I'll continue to tread the middle ground. What makes you think ive been seduced my mandarics £££ and i dont think he has ever claimed to love Leicester city, he has praised the fan base and potencial of the club but I doubt he ever said he was a fan of lcfc. I agree with you that the players bought in by his managers have been awful we all know that but any Leicester fan must admit we were in a mess before milan arrived, surely you cant blame milan for everything thats wrong at lcfc, he has also been let down by managers and particually the effort of the players.
davieG Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 What makes you think ive been seduced my mandarics £££ I never said you had but many have, in fact there are still those who think he paid £25mill and paid off the stadium debts and i dont think he has ever claimed to love Leicester city, he has praised the fan base and potencial of the club but I doubt he ever said he was a fan of lcfc. He has often claimed to be Leicester City's no one fan I agree with you that the players bought in by his managers have been awful we all know that but any Leicester fan must admit we were in a mess before milan arrived, surely you cant blame milan for everything thats wrong at lcfc, he has also been let down by managers and particually the effort of the players. In any business the buck stops at the top. He employed those managers, proclaiming each time that they were the men for the job and that he'd exhausted all channels in his attempt to get the right man, so yes I blame him for all that has happened since he bought the club. his poor selection of managers, players bought and never played ultimately being released at a loss. Finally the relegation, although I do accept the possibility that this might have occurred anyway, but with the 'financial investment' in the club there is absolutely no way this should have happened under his stewardship. If a business fails due to poor workmanship then it is the fault of those in control, he simply cannot escape that responsibility.
Zingari Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 If a business fails due to poor workmanship then it is the fault of those in control, he simply cannot escape that responsibility. was he totally responsible for pompey's success
davieG Posted 27 June 2008 Posted 27 June 2008 If a business fails due to poor workmanship then it is the fault of those in control, he simply cannot escape that responsibility.was he totally responsible for pompey's success Ultimately yes because he put the money in and recruited Rednapp, there may have been an element of luck there and he did nearly blow it but through some timely grovelling managed to retrieve the situation. It doesn't mean to say he didn't have some help but that help was recruited or retained by him so therefore he deserves the credit. Well that's my take on things.
Guest Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 Milan will come good. Eventually! How far are we going to sink before that happens, though?
teblin Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 How far are we going to sink before that happens, though? 11th in league 1. Wishful thinking.
Thracian Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 Milan will come good. Eventually! I have no doubt Milan will "come good" but Milan coming good and City reaping any benefit are two different things.
Foxes_Trust Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 I don't think there was any necessity for Leicester City to go broke had Mandaric not arrived.Indeed believeable comment was made to that effect by a director who resigned. No, it wasn't a rosy picture, but, yes, the finances were under control and adequate for at least the time being was the picture I got. Furthermore the old board could have cashed in assets like Stearman, Mattock (being courted by two top clubs even then to my knowledge) and Hume without having to pay off or pay for the likes of Rob Kelly, Martin Allen and Ian Holloway plus players like Nielsen, Kaebi, Ferreira, Djiziri, Kishishev, Cort and so on. We would just like to confirm the extracted content of Thracian's post above as being true. The club would not have gone into administration if the MM deal had not gone ahead (altho the "story" that it would do was put around at the time). The sales taking place now, would have gone ahead last summer, with the anticipated main revenue earners then being Stearman & Kisnorbo (with Premiership clubs known to be interested back then), Mattock & McAuley's reputation/value grew last season.
Manwell Pablo Posted 28 June 2008 Posted 28 June 2008 We would just like to confirm the extracted content of Thracian's post above as being true.The club would not have gone into administration if the MM deal had not gone ahead (altho the "story" that it would do was put around at the time). The sales taking place now, would have gone ahead last summer, with the anticipated main revenue earners then being Stearman & Kisnorbo (with Premiership clubs known to be interested back then), Mattock & McAuley's reputation/value grew last season. So in short we woulnd't of been in administration, we'd of just of had to sell our best players and not bring anyone else in just to stay afloat. .....hardly strikes me as a sturdy long term plan. At least we have a bit of cash and a squad full of players and some money with Mandaric about, even he is a loony toon.
Tevez Posted 29 June 2008 Posted 29 June 2008 We would of gone down with a fight if we didn't have Mandaric. Get him out.
Uncle Albert Posted 29 June 2008 Posted 29 June 2008 We would of gone down with a fight if we didn't have Mandaric. Get him out. Reasons for this? Bit of a strong statement.
Chrysalis Posted 29 June 2008 Posted 29 June 2008 my option isnt there, I think he should stand down as chairman but I wouldnt say he has a aweful record. Chairman do not win and lose games they just support the manager financially for his playing squad, to be fair to MM he did do that for all the managers.
Chrysalis Posted 29 June 2008 Posted 29 June 2008 Proof of that statement please? do you ask for proof when people say MM interfere etc.? What the foxes trust did confirm was the 7 million annual loss and better players having to be sold if MM did not come in, so based on that info I think we would have not gone into admin at least not immediatly but we would have had a much weaker playing squad.
Chrysalis Posted 29 June 2008 Posted 29 June 2008 Ultimately yes because he put the money in and recruited Rednapp, there may have been an element of luck there and he did nearly blow it but through some timely grovelling managed to retrieve the situation.It doesn't mean to say he didn't have some help but that help was recruited or retained by him so therefore he deserves the credit. Well that's my take on things. At least you seem to be neutral on this, I had enough of some people's attitude they blame him almost totally for our relegation yet pass the praise on to redknapp for pompys success. My problem with MM is he is making poor decisions regarding managers, however I have no problem with his financial support and his ambition last year, whilst before he came there was no ambition for promotion and we were in a position of approaching our overdraft limit so would have had to sell the better players to cover losses. Those players are sold now of course so who knows what would have happened. However I think under the old board when other clubs knew we were poor the players would have been sold for much less.
davieG Posted 29 June 2008 Posted 29 June 2008 do you ask for proof when people say MM interfere etc.?What the foxes trust did confirm was the 7 million annual loss and better players having to be sold if MM did not come in, so based on that info I think we would have not gone into admin at least not immediatly but we would have had a much weaker playing squad. He's admitted he interferes but then again that's not the his main problem, it's his inability to select the right manager plus his public setting of virtually impossible targets that raises hopes and puts unreasonable pressure on players and manager. I've not said we would be better off without him but we couldn't be any lower league wise, we're a club that now lacks integrity and has become a joke in many people's eyes. Our squad is likely to be pretty weak anyway, the players that were assumed would be sold are still being sold. I'm hopeful that we have now got a manager that has respect within the game but I fear for his future at LCFC after all who could possibly think that back to back promotions is a reasonable sane public target.
l444ry Posted 29 June 2008 Posted 29 June 2008 Portsmouth's current high standing is simply because Mandaric sold the club to Gaydamak, who has openly invested in the team, and not with smoke and mirrors. Mandaric talks a good talk about ambition but his seven years at Pompey resulted in 1 promotion and half a dozen relegation battles. Only now are they getting their new ground which Mandaric kept "promising". This record looks like continuing at City and I cannot comprehend why Mandaric is classed as successful.
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