Head Honcho Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 ............for the Tranmere game would he be in your starting line up?
Guest Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Probably not for me unless it was based upon him performing better in training, I think we need consistency in the team and there should be some competition for starting places
Unabomber Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 It depends on whether or not he had played any pre season matches or matches behind closed doors. If not then it wouldn't be worth playing him and messing with our so far solid centre backs.
Lovejoy Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Our defence haven't yet conceded so why change that? Anyway, his distribution is so shite he wouldn't add anything there either.
Father Ted Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Our defence haven't yet conceded so why change that?Anyway, his distribution is so shite he wouldn't add anything there either. LOVEJOY! LOVEJOY! LOVEJOY!
Phlashman Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Our defence haven't yet conceded so why change that? Exactly, what a bad message to send to our other players, do your job and you'll get replaced. Once Kismybum is fit again, he'll have to show he's worth his place.
Thracian Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 No. One of the major improvements Pearson has made to our team is that he's got us passing the ball out of defence. Not just for a token five minutes until we find ourselves under a bit of pressure but as a matter of course. We have already seen the benefit of that with the amount of possession we're getting and the consequential increased number of chances. Kisnorbo is a wonderfully committed defender, a man made for trench warfare. But he's as poor a passer as I've ever seen in the professional game and doesn't seem to have the technique to improve. It's not as if we're even conceding goals. We've conceded none in three games compared with three in our first two League games last season. So where would the improvement come? That doesn't mean he won't play. Kisnorbo is a saleable asset and no doubt MM will have his own views on whether he should play. Me I'd persevere with our passing team. I don't remember us being fourth in any table during Kisnorbo's time, not that he was the only one to blame for squandering possession. People like McAuley, Johannson and McCarthy were just as wasteful as I said at the time. Possession is vital in football. It is no use being a marvellous defender if you then give the ball away. For me it's the cardinal sin and we've no longer any need to put up with it.
lcfcrinaldi Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Yes, we need consistancy but we are only 2 games into the league, him and Tunchev would be a dream pairing at the back. And at the end of the day he wont be fit for Saterdayor for a lot of saterdays to come, so why worry about this now, we are bound to have some absolute defensively terrible games at some point before hes back and as soon as that happens everyone will change there opinion.
Flynny Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 No. One of the major improvements Pearson has made to our team is that he's got us passing the ball out of defence. Not just for a token five minutes until we find ourselves under a bit of pressure but as a matter of course. We have already seen the benefit of that with the amount of possession we're getting and the consequential increased number of chances. Kisnorbo is a wonderfully committed defender, a man made for trench warfare. But he's as poor a passer as I've ever seen in the professional game and doesn't seem to have the technique to improve. It's not as if we're even conceding goals. We've conceded none in three games compared with three in our first two League games last season. So where would the improvement come? That doesn't mean he won't play. Kisnorbo is a saleable asset and no doubt MM will have his own views on whether he should play. Me I'd persevere with our passing team. I don't remember us being fourth in any table during Kisnorbo's time, not that he was the only one to blame for squandering possession. People like McAuley, Johannson and McCarthy were just as wasteful as I said at the time. Possession is vital in football. It is no use being a marvellous defender if you then give the ball away. For me it's the cardinal sin and we've no longer any need to put up with it. Surely thats down to a change in coach rather than change in personel, though? I'm sure with Pearson constantly berating him he'd soon get his act together. Remember when he came to us he played midfield (albeit shockingly) so he should in theory be able to do more than put his foot through it.
RowlattsFox Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 If Kisnorbo was fit and still here then there is no doubt he'd be in the side, we wouldn't have signed Hobbs I imagine. Kisnorbo's distribution was poor but Pearson may have encouraged him not to hoof as much.
ASH17LCFC Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Yes, he's our best defender by far and i beleive if he didn't get injured at the Sheff Wednesday game. We would have stayed up.
cecchini Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Yes, he's our best defender by far and i beleive if he didn't get injured at the Sheff Wednesday game. We would have stayed up. hmmm, yeah, right we went down well before that! I agree with the majority (i would) if it ain't broke....
maddog Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 No. From what i've seen of Tunchev and Morrison, they look much better players than Kisnorbo. Kisnorbo turned a bit dodgey last season, and i think it may have been the colchester away game, or definately one of the away games on sky, when he ran back away from the ball and allowed them to score. It was an awful piece of defending, he should have closed the player down. Ever since then i've gone off him a bit. Back up for Tunchev and Morrison, nothing more. If we can get £750k+ for him definately worth a sale
Guest Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Yes, he's our best defender by far and i beleive if he didn't get injured at the Sheff Wednesday game. We would have stayed up. It was mostly our inability to put the ball in the back of the net which was our downfall last season, not a lack of decent defenders (I'm also aware that Kissa chipped in with a few goals but I can't agree with you that the loss of him was the reason we went down)
Joe. Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 No, no and no again. Why would we want to break up a defence that has conceded 0 goals in 3 matches so far with all three of our centre backs that have been used playing extremely well? It would only be a negative thing if we were to bring back Kisnorbo currently.
RowlattsFox Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 It was mostly our inability to put the ball in the back of the net which was our downfall last season, not a lack of decent defenders (I'm also aware that Kissa chipped in with a few goals but I can't agree with you that the loss of him was the reason we went down) Losing Kisnorbo was not the reason we went down but I don't think we would have collapsed against Sheffield Wednesday had Kisnorbo not gone off injured, if we didn't lose that game we would have stayed up. So I kind of agree with what Ash said, if thats what he meant.
bigneville Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 No I wouldnt change anything now. But if he had been fit pre-season, there is no doubt, the best two centre backs at the club for the opening game would have been Tunchev and Kisnorbo. But the three that are rotating the centre back slots are doing a great job at the minute, there is no need for change or to rush Kisnorbo back. Let's make sure he returns when ready, and then he can earn his place back in the side. As deep down, we all know Kisnorbo is a quality defender, but as mentioned, lacks footballing skills.
J.Lisemore Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Yes, he's our best defender by far and i beleive if he didn't get injured at the Sheff Wednesday game. We would have stayed up. it wasnt defence that we lacked in quality last season...we just didn't score enough goals.
Thracian Posted 19 August 2008 Posted 19 August 2008 Surely thats down to a change in coach rather than change in personel, though? I'm sure with Pearson constantly berating him he'd soon get his act together. Remember when he came to us he played midfield (albeit shockingly) so he should in theory be able to do more than put his foot through it. His performances in midfield only gave early warning of his inadequacies as a passer. And looking at his technique I don't think any amount of verbal sandblasting will make any difference. Kisnorbo will remain popular because he's a 100 per center and exactly the kind of spirited performer some people would fill their team with given chance. Tiatto was from the same stable and inevitably had his fans. Me, I think giving the ball away is the kiss of death to any aspiring champions. But we'll doubtless learn the hard way. We usually do.
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