LeeCovFox Posted 1 September 2008 Posted 1 September 2008 I hate what football has become, but I still want to see City in the Premier League. My favourite days as a Leicester fan have come in that division. The rich were still immensely richer back then than the rest. But I still had hope. If they were still in the Premier League, I would still have hope. Surely that hope is what keeps us going? Imagine us playing in the Championship play off final. Would anybody truly be hoping that we lost the game, would anybody really be depressed if we were to win and achieve pomotion. I want us to play against the best sides, beat the best sides. These days its less likely to happen than ever before, but how much more sweet would it make it if we actualy achieved it. I don't doubt anybody's love for this club. Some may genuinely not want to return to the top flight as it is today. That is their right. But for me, I always hope that against all the odds, as naive as I know I am being deep down, that we will grace the top flight again and beat the biggest and the best once again.
Daggers Posted 1 September 2008 Posted 1 September 2008 House prices are going down in flames as we speak. You can shut up reminding me right now, (as someone who was hoping to move)! The EPL might always be rich, but I don't think it's always going to be the globally pre-eminent league it is right now, it's not how things work.There's even one way this could happen explored in this article. Likely? Perhaps not. Possible? Yes. Don't disagree for a second that the EPL won't remain in its current form for long - but this isn't about the league, it's about branding which is why the EPL is desperately trying to carve itself a niche in the global market before the true brands take over; this was what game 39 was all about. Currently the power is with the clubs - brand image, brand loyalty and brand recognition is all about the Big 4. I can't forsee a future for the also-ran teams or the Premier League itself without them which is why we are now hearing of loads of different forms it could take for the future. I'll wager it won't be long before we see the return of the EPL2 proposal to tie in other teams commitment to the cause again. It is going to come down to a tug of war between that scenario and remaining based in the UK or a breakaway franchise global operation. For my money, I pray that it is the later - the sooner the game, our game, is shot of these corporate-mindset ****s the better. NB. I've been drinking. I reserve the right to deny I ever posted anything that fails to make sense tomorrow. Why was Europe not an option? Because it all went tits up shortly after Agincourt?
davieG Posted 1 September 2008 Posted 1 September 2008 Being in the top flight would mean no more live City games for me, too expensive and watching them on Sky - can't say that fills me with abnticipation and excitement.
JoeyB Posted 1 September 2008 Posted 1 September 2008 In Man Cities place would be ace. A club able to outbid chelsea and having robhino would be ace
Flynny Posted 1 September 2008 Posted 1 September 2008 You can shut up reminding me right now, (as someone who was hoping to move)! Don't disagree for a second that the EPL won't remain in its current form for long - but this isn't about the league, it's about branding which is why the EPL is desperately trying to carve itself a niche in the global market before the true brands take over; this was what game 39 was all about. Currently the power is with the clubs - brand image, brand loyalty and brand recognition is all about the Big 4. I can't forsee a future for the also-ran teams or the Premier League itself without them which is why we are now hearing of loads of different forms it could take for the future. I'll wager it won't be long before we see the return of the EPL2 proposal to tie in other teams commitment to the cause again. It is going to come down to a tug of war between that scenario and remaining based in the UK or a breakaway franchise global operation. For my money, I pray that it is the later - the sooner the game, our game, is shot of these corporate-mindset ****s the better. NB. I've been drinking. I reserve the right to deny I ever posted anything that fails to make sense tomorrow. Hah our (mums) house has been on the market for a bit. 18 months later it's worth close to 30k less (and its not an expensive house to begin with) and I'm still sleeping on a futon in the living room, or at least will be until I get the comparative luxary of a box room in student accomodation. Score. Something will happen over the next decade, definitely. It's not just me who'd laugh if it was Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool all going bust, right?
LeeCovFox Posted 1 September 2008 Posted 1 September 2008 Hah our (mums) house has been on the market for a bit. 18 months later it's worth close to 30k less (and its not an expensive house to begin with) and I'm still sleeping on a futon in the living room, or at least will be until I get the comparative luxary of a box room in student accomodation. Score.Something will happen over the next decade, definitely. It's not just me who'd laugh if it was Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool all going bust, right? I could never laugh at that. All of those clubs have history. All of them have real fans, many of whom have been priced out of the game, having watched their club being raped and pillaged by media whoring mutlimillionaires. Do I wish that they could one day have their club back? Without question. But I will never wish a club going bust on any fan. It nearly happened to us, and it was horrible.
Nod.E Posted 1 September 2008 Posted 1 September 2008 Fulham, Boro, Pompey, Man City, Sunderland (debatable) and Bolton.These have all held there own and 4 of them have managed to get into Europe and win trophies, not everyone is doomed mate. Seeing as you're always in a picky mood. There = Their. In the context you are speaking.
demon_dog Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 Obviously you are talking as a fan, ask any footballer and the answer is "I want to play at the highest level". Not for the money because when you are a professional you want to become the best. As a fan I can see your meaning, at the moment the Premiership seems to be over indulgent with the money and the media hype given to it. The players seem to rule the roost with evermore demanding pay increases. However the aim for the club must be the premiership. It gives clubs not only huge rewards financially but also worldwide media coverage. This surely is not a bad thing. I would be perfectly happy to go and see us play in the Premier League provided that we are not whipping boys for the big teams. Play the good attacking attractive football as we are now doing. If we could do this I believe that many more fans would come to see us. People love to see quality football, it does indeed become the "beautiful game", how many of us have wondered at the skill of the Brazilians? Dare I say Arsenal's fantastic long unbeaten run. This is undoubtedly what the club has to aspire to, otherwise why play the game? Anyone who plays any sport aspires to reach the top, the same applies to Leicester City FC. So for me the Premiership has to be the ultimate aim, followed by Champions League. I think a great many fans would feel the same.
jimmy7587 Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 this is a stupid poll! We need premiership football in Leicester. Remember a few years ago when football, cricket and rugby all boasted success in the same year! Milan to take us to Premiership, make a mint, sell us on the Thaksin Shinawatra who will have access to finance by then, then get us mid table, and then get bought out by a Middle-Eastern finance firm to buy the best players in the world.... It will happen (how freaky would it be!!) Ps, first buys should be Emile Heskey (for gags, then make him manager, assisted by Dennis Wise, I like him, or Peter Taylor, he knows what he is doing)
jimmy7587 Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 im delusional obviously!!! realistically, the championship is a good league, but we only experienced us playing awfully in it. Pearson has done a stirling job thus far, we look solid... IF we get promoted, Id be interested what he does with the dosh. but 5 years time i see us in the elite, in a relegation scrap.
potter3 Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 For the club, the Prem. For the matches, Championship or League 1 Which isn't how it should be, really.
Ultra Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 I find it inconceivable that ANYONE who claims to be a supporter of our club would not wish to see us return to the highest level. Lest we forget, we have competed successfully in the Premier League before, even winning trophies (something the likes of moneybags Man City and Newcastle have still yet to do), and that was when we had a ground which was far smaller than our current one. There is no reason why, with the right management and financial backing, we could not reach those heights again, especially as our fan base is considerably larger than that of many teams currently in the top flight. In addition, the Way, which we still haven't yet paid for, has an infrastructure which needs Premier League revenue to maintain. Every season we spend outside the top flight takes us further away from financial stability. Neither Mandaric nor anyone else can sustain our current losses indefinitely. While visits to Stockport and Cheltenham may intrigue and appeal to many now, I suspect that the novelty would disappear VERY quickly, if, Pearson forbid, we were to stay at this level for longer than one season. If folk on here would prefer to see us host lower-league cloggers rather than some of the world's finest players, then in truth they are supporters of neither our team nor our sport.
PlasticKiwi Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 Interesting question.... On reflection, I want to be back watching us taking on the likes of Athletico Madrids Millions of pounds of talent, but don't think that will that happen from the 1st division. I vote we get back to either the premiership or contention, and have a crack at stardom from a position of financial security. A lot of this thread has been about bullsh*t overpayed players and fickel cashed up owners being the blight on our game - and whilst I agree in part, I do remember Pontus Carpark giving his all, Walshy, and the scruff muster Marshall, Heskey, Prior and Claridge doing us all proud! We were great to watch, and we can be great again! To my knowledge we didn't have any big name cash monkeys then and we won't ever have them - so have no fear, and lets be progressive. Go Leicester!
James. Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 The way some of you lot talk about how evil and corporate the Premier League is is ridiculous.
Bakey Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 The Prem where else should any club aspire to be!
MC Prussian Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 The way some of you lot talk about how evil and corporate the Premier League is is ridiculous. Considering how corrupt the entire system is, they do have a valid point. It's also way harder to stay up and the Premier League is reaching a point where the upper four to five dictate the game. Year in, year out. I wouldn't call that healthy. Cashing in most money and dishing it out on some of the most expensive players. You may call them role models, I call it perversion. Ideally, I'd love to see us back in the Premiership - but whoop whoop - let's take it step by step. We need to keep up the recent form for the rest of the season. Return To The Championship first!
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 Considering how corrupt the entire system is, they do have a valid point. It's also way harder to stay up and the Premier League is reaching a point where the upper four to five dictate the game. Year in, year out. I wouldn't call that healthy. Cashing in most money and dishing it out on some of the most expensive players. You may call them role models, I call it perversion.Ideally, I'd love to see us back in the Premiership - but whoop whoop - let's take it step by step. We need to keep up the recent form for the rest of the season. Return To The Championship first! That is bound to happen as there is no promotion from the top league. This happens in most of the top leagues around Europe were the top 3-4 clubs have a monoploy on the title and often fill the top 3
MC Prussian Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 That is bound to happen as there is no promotion from the top league. This happens in most of the top leagues around Europe were the top 3-4 clubs have a monoploy on the title and often fill the top 3 But not all of the four to five top clubs in the bigger European leagues (England, Spain, Germany, Italy and maybe France) are lead by a multimillionaire or filthy-rich consortium. AC Milan, Inter, Juventus and Hoffenheim (newly-promoted side to the Bundesliga) spring to mind. Not sure about Real Madrid, Barcelona, Olympique Lyonnais and Bayern Munich.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 But not all of the four to five top clubs in the bigger European leagues (England, Spain, Germany, Italy and maybe France) are lead by a multimillionaire or filthy-rich consortium.AC Milan, Inter, Juventus and Hoffenheim (newly-promoted side to the Bundesliga) spring to mind. Not sure about Real Madrid, Barcelona, Olympique Lyonnais and Bayern Munich. It's irrelevant who there owned by if there dominating there respective leagues year in, year out
davieG Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 That is bound to happen as there is no promotion from the top league. This happens in most of the top leagues around Europe were the top 3-4 clubs have a monoploy on the title and often fill the top 3 I don't think it's got much to do with there being no promotion it's to do with the distribution of money which is biased towards the top teams by a disproportionate amount. Until every team has an owner like Man City have, until recently they were unable to spend more than a few mill on a player and therefore couldn't compete now out of the blue £32mill on one player this in balance will continue and get worst. Most of this money on transfer fees is going abroad where as in the past it used to filter down to the lower leagues. Even things like the 7 subs works to their advantage allowing them not only to keep a bigger expensive squad happy but also gives them an even greater playing advantage over lesser funded teams.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 I don't think it's got much to do with there being no promotion it's to do with the distribution of money which is biased towards the top teams by a disproportionate amount.Until every team has an owner like Man City have, until recently they were unable to spend more than a few mill on a player and therefore couldn't compete now out of the blue £32mill on one player this in balance will continue and get worst. Most of this money on transfer fees is going abroad where as in the past it used to filter down to the lower leagues. Even things like the 7 subs works to their advantage allowing them not only to keep a bigger expensive squad happy but also gives them an even greater playing advantage over lesser funded teams. I'm more getting to the point that it is very difficult for a team run rightly to have a team capable of winning the prem then magically drop off to mid table.
James. Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 Considering how corrupt the entire system is, they do have a valid point. It's also way harder to stay up and the Premier League is reaching a point where the upper four to five dictate the game. Year in, year out. I wouldn't call that healthy. Cashing in most money and dishing it out on some of the most expensive players. You may call them role models, I call it perversion.Ideally, I'd love to see us back in the Premiership - but whoop whoop - let's take it step by step. We need to keep up the recent form for the rest of the season. Return To The Championship first! I agree with all that. I was just in a very bad mood when I got to work this morning!
Ultra Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 Considering how corrupt the entire system is, they do have a valid point. And how, exactly, is our club not part of that system? Any pretense of purity disappeared the moment Mandaric took us over.
MC Prussian Posted 2 September 2008 Posted 2 September 2008 And how, exactly, is our club not part of that system?Any pretense of purity disappeared the moment Mandaric took us over. I was solely referring to the Premiership, but I concur with your point about the takeover. However, compared to the likes of Chelsea, ManU and Arsenal, it's not really been a success story so far, has it?
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